Jesus Christ and the POPE comparison

[dulasnom]

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chocs

the pope is the only being that claims to be the vicar (substitute)of Christ. So ato ma compare kung ni match ba gyud ni nga claim:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez4AnuydLAc

ts, "vicar of Christ" is the title "GIVEN" to the pope. "GIVEN" and not claimed.
and when you say vicar, it doesn't really mean as "substitute" as you said
because no one can substitute Christ. it simply means an administrative deputy.
since Christ is no longer here in this world, someone has to administer to keep
His words alive.

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Sorry, but i can not watch youtube here
I have noticed to your other thread are just the same thought, are you anti-Catholic? perhaps..
or are you trying to promote other religion which you think more better? or the purpose
of your thread are just to ruin the reputation of Catholic Church?

chocs, klaro jud kau ug unsa siya.

[chocofudge]

ts, "vicar of Christ" is the title "GIVEN" to the pope. "GIVEN" and not claimed.
and when you say vicar, it doesn't really mean as "substitute" as you said
because no one can substitute Christ. it simply means an administrative deputy.
since Christ is no longer here in this world, someone has to administer to keep

His words alive.

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chocs, klaro jud kau ug unsa siya.

Ambot oi, unsa ni sya wa ko kbantay sa uban nyang thread karon lang, wana btaw ko kasabot aning
uban tao. Wa sila kahibaw na wala may daotan o nindot na religion o mas better depende
mana sa belief sa tao, guide raman unta ning religion, if asa ka mahimong mayo na tao adto ka.
Ang uban dli na Diyos ang gisimba instead ila ng religion by criticizing other religion.
Sus, dli jud ni maayo way to promote one's religion mosamot ka discourage mga tao ani.

[dulasnom]

is it harmful to catholics if someone shares the truth para rasad sa kaayohan? instead of being closedminded, try to weigh things out

"truth"? pag-sure anang imong "truth" ts oi.
youtube raman gani na gikan imong mga links.
hatagi sad mi ug reliable nga mga links oi.

dili jud na harmful ang truth ts. ang bakak ang harmful.

[Tetrad]

dulasnom

ts, at first i was trying to understand your "hobby" on finding faults on the catholic church.but it seems you are now making stories and twisting the truth.
try to answer my comments below one by one. if not, then stop the lies.


on scripture.i did not and never thought that the pope is equal to christ. it is also not being taught in church. i think it's only you who thought about it. where did you hear that?

take out the 'finding faults' and magkaabot gyud ta in finding truth. Im not making stories here, these are facts which are suppressd from history and if you can defend those allegations, please do it.


what do these statements mean to you?
Pope Leo XIII said these things about the role of the Papacy and the Roman Church:
Our thoughts went out towards the immense multitude of those who are strangers to the gladness that filled all Catholic hearts: some because they lie in absolute ignorance of the Gospel; others because they dissent from the Catholic belief, though they bear the name of Christians.
"This thought has been, and is, a source of deep concern to Us; for it is impossible to think of such a large portion of mankind deviating, as it were, from the right path, as they move away from Us, and not experience a sentiment of innermost grief. But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.."


"But the supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself."


Cardinal Sarto, who became Pope Pius X, said this:
"The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself..."


In 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth (emphasis added)"


Just recently, in 2004, Bishop Patrick Dunn of Auckland said this:
"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross."
In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church:


"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."


and many more........

when and where did you read/hear that the pope instructed the catholics to call him that way? if there's a link, kindly provide us.

The Pope Claims to be God on Earth | Papal Infallibility

i'm not familiar of the decree that you are talking about that "his church put in place to sanction the murder of people who disagree with Catholicism". could you give us a link? i am a roman catholic and i did hear nor taught by the church to "murder people who disagree with Catholicism"

That's why we are here to have knowledge of this truth. I dont know how to use words to describe it but let me just quote:
The Church's Inquisition is the Ultimate Killing Factory that tortured and killed anyone who disagreed with the belief of the Pope. Even children were not spared, and the only demonstrated mercy was to kill without torture. Muslim, Jews, and whoever believed different from the Pope were subject to torture and death.

[Tetrad]

Tetrad., Blatant naman kaning imoha bro. LOL

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Ask langko nimo "are you trying to defame other
peoples belief"?.

naa toy verse bro which says> "faithful are the wounds of a friend but the kisses of the enemy are deceitful."
my sole purpose here is to share the truth, dli ko kakwarta bisan pag tanan member sa istorya.net mobalhin ug laing religion. Im concern about my fellow catholics who are truly ignorant of these facts and are only victims of this system.

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Sorry, but i can not watch youtube here
I have noticed to your other thread are just the same thought, are you anti-Catholic? perhaps..
or are you trying to promote other religion which you think more better? or the purpose
of your thread are just to ruin the reputation of Catholic Church?

im not anti-catholic fudge but pro-christianity. I uphold Christ and the bible.
no religion can save us, it's our personal relationship with God is.

Whether this be true of not, dli ta angay matarug kung naa ta sa insakto. TInabangay lang ta makasabot sa kamatuoran.

[chocofudge]

naa toy verse bro which says> "faithful are the wounds of a friend but the kisses of the enemy are deceitful."
my sole purpose here is to share the truth, dli ko kakwarta bisan pag tanan member sa istorya.net mobalhin ug laing religion. Im concern about my fellow catholics who are truly ignorant of these facts and are only victims of this system.

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im not anti-catholic fudge but pro-christianity. I uphold Christ and the bible.
no religion can save us, it's our personal relationship with God is. << yes, this one is so true, thus no matter what your religion are in to does not matter.

Whether this be true of not, dli ta angay matarug kung naa ta sa insakto. TInabangay lang ta makasabot sa kamatuoran.

<< if this not true dako kayo nig damage sa reputasyon, mao btaw dapat careful unta
ta as i said this is sensitive topic, og daghang katoliko masakitan sa imong thread/post. Dili rman sad Catholic churh ang daghan issue naa pa may daghan but why are you hitting specifically Catholic church? mao jud ako pangutana,

[MasterK]

Whether this be true of not, dli ta angay matarug kung naa ta sa insakto. TInabangay lang ta makasabot sa kamatuoran.

Kitams, wala man diay ka kasiguro tinood ba o dili... So mamahimo nga tumotmuo ra gyud diay ka... sama atong video nimo sa exultet nga gituyo pagtuis..

Para nimo diay maayo ang pag tumotumo ("false witness").

[dulasnom]

@Tetrad

usa ra jud ang klaro aning imong tubag nako nga wa jud mag-ingon ang pope nga equal sila ni Jesus Christ ug wala sad siya niingong nga tawga ko ninyo ug vicar of christ or unsa pa diha. ang kanang gisulti ni cardinal sarto kay murag mao nay duol2x sa imong tumo2x. pero hunahunaa nga dili pa siya pope pag-sulti niya ana. so dili ang pope ang nag-sulti ana. kakuha sa akong logic bro?

with regards sa "decree", naa kay authenticated document ana? pakit-a mi ana beh!
d ko kakita sa imong link dri pero sa akong sabot kay murag sa medieval times paman siguro na imo gipasabot which is panahon sa crusades which was partially but not totally controlled by the church. kung imong hunahunaon, kanang panahona kay mao na ang time nga nag-ilog ang mga muslim ug mga roman catholics sa mga territories. so, gubat ang nahitabo, dili murder kung dili casualties. same ra sad sa mga roman catholics nga gipamatay sa mga muslims.
nya, nahitabo pa diay ang mga ing-ani karong panahona?

btw, wa pa nimo gi-tubag ang tanan nako pangutana.

[slabs17]

naa toy verse bro which says> "faithful are the wounds of a friend but the kisses of the enemy are deceitful."
my sole purpose here is to share the truth, dli ko kakwarta bisan pag tanan member sa istorya.net mobalhin ug laing religion. Im concern about my fellow catholics who are truly ignorant of these facts and are only victims of this system.

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im not anti-catholic fudge but pro-christianity. I uphold Christ and the bible.
no religion can save us, it's our personal relationship with God is.

Whether this be true of not, dli ta angay matarug kung naa ta sa insakto. TInabangay lang ta makasabot sa kamatuoran.

what about muslims and Buddhist and other religions? mag unsa man to sila?

[Tetrad]

Kitams, wala man diay ka kasiguro tinood ba o dili... So mamahimo nga tumotmuo ra gyud diay ka... sama atong video nimo sa exultet nga gituyo pagtuis..

Para nimo diay maayo ang pag tumotumo ("false witness").

wala ko niingon nga dili tinuod. akong gipasabot ang kamo nga wala kabalo ani, kung para ninyo tinuod man mo or dili, dili mo angay masuko kung naay moraise ani, i defend lang.