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[CAPTAIN NAUTILUS]

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Im sure the intent and purpose of the BBL in that is somehow descent and peaceful. But I can assure you, they (rebels) will bend and change the exact meaning of that law to their own personal agenda and wants. In short, I just can't trust them handing over a "territorial piece of the Philippines".

Just No to BBL if these kind of people still exist in Mindanao.

Actually bro, ang kana nga territorial piece of the Philippines had long been controlled by them. I hope you remembered ARMM.
According to the law, if nabasa nimo.

Ang purpose is to repeal the existing law nga naghimo sa ARMM. Meaning pulihan ang existing nga law.
And also, if you happen to go down a bit more. sa Section 3. The purpose of the Basic Law is to establish a political entity xxxxx xxx

Murag wala man gibutang sa law nga gihandover sa ilaha ang territory.

Naa gihapon Central Government and Bangsamoro is under gihapon sa atong government under the principles of subsidiarity and parity of esteem.

Murag ang ilang buhaton is political entity ra.

[kiyoshishannen]

Ever heard of bombings in unexpected places bro? I bet nakabati naka ana. Some bombings are direct results of retaliation by these rebel forces.

Yes, there are rules in war. In the case of this topic at hand. Surely the rules of war was violated. Murag namention man nga naka ceasefire sila. But nahitabo man gihapon ang pinusilay. Surely naa rules of war. Pero wala ma follow ani nga case.
How many more rules pa kaha ang maviolate if ma prolong pa ni nga gubat?

Granting the issue was territorial, then it is another topic worthy of discussion. Let me indulge nalang by going a little off-topic.
If you read the Bangsamoro basic law here:

http://www.opapp.gov.ph/sites/defaul...asic%20Law.pdf

Try to read the Purpose and the Preamble. Surely dili na mao ang purpose sa law nga ihatag ang territory didto nila.

Bai, we all have heard these bombings. But there would be a possiblity that these bombings would go away if these bandits will be eradicated by all out war.
The actual situation now is that these MNLF,MILF,BIFF are in factions. There is no guarantee that once the bangsamoro bill will be passed, then they will surrender their arms. They are all not united with the IDEA of peace.
If they cannot even follow the rules of war (like ceasfire or harboring a wanted terrorist and denying that they did not know anything..), Then can we expect them to follow this bangsamoro law? Laws are good if the people are discipline and willing to follow it. But they have already broken many laws over and over again. Enough is enough. With the bangsmoro law, how many more terrorists will they harbor in their controlled territories?

[yhokz101]

Actually bro, ang kana nga territorial piece of the Philippines had long been controlled by them. I hope you remembered ARMM.
According to the law, if nabasa nimo.

Ang purpose is to repeal the existing law nga naghimo sa ARMM. Meaning pulihan ang existing nga law.
And also, if you happen to go down a bit more. sa Section 3. The purpose of the Basic Law is to establish a political entity xxxxx xxx

Murag wala man gibutang sa law nga gihandover sa ilaha ang territory.

Naa gihapon Central Government and Bangsamoro is under gihapon sa atong government under the principles of subsidiarity and parity of esteem.

Murag ang ilang buhaton is political entity ra.

and yet ARMM is a failure, despite sa ilang negotiations, agreements and talks.. naa ghapon mag bida ang mga MILF ug unsa pa na dha. Makita nato sa history unsa ang ka agi sa mindanao despite sa ARMM. because dli jd nila ma control ang mga rebedle mao na ang labing tinuod.


Moa lage a political entity, a self governance in which similar sa kanang ministerial system. How can they have that kind/type of government and we have a different one pod? COntradicting db?

I wonder pod, like sa imong gi ingon na they will still be subjected to the same government (including military and police). Does this mean those MILF/BIFF/MNLF will be the new military/police in those areas? will they report the same senior and have the same hierarchy to begin with? Sumpaki man, considering ilang mindset dli jd ni sila magpa under, or even magpa tamak sa ilang "territoryo". Hope ma gets nmo ni..

[CAPTAIN NAUTILUS]

Bai, we all have heard these bombings. But there would be a possiblity that these bombings would go away if these bandits will be eradicated by all out war.
The actual situation now is that these MNLF,MILF,BIFF are in factions. There is no guarantee that once the bangsamoro bill will be passed, then they will surrender their arms. They are all not united with the IDEA of peace.
If they cannot even follow the rules of war (like ceasfire or harboring a wanted terrorist and denying that they did not know anything..), Then can we expect them to follow this bangsamoro law? Laws are good if the people are discipline and willing to follow it. But they have already broken many laws over and over again. Enough is enough. With the bangsmoro law, how many more terrorists will they harbor in their controlled territories?

All-out-war against whom man bro? MNLF, MILF, BIFF, how about ABU Sayyaf, ISIS?

Peace is never a guarantee ani bro, and so does in all-out-war.

All-out-war vs Peace talks.. I'd rather have the latter.

[CAPTAIN NAUTILUS]

and yet ARMM is a failure, despite sa ilang negotiations, agreements and talks.. naa ghapon mag bida ang mga MILF ug unsa pa na dha. Makita nato sa history unsa ang ka agi sa mindanao despite sa ARMM. because dli jd nila ma control ang mga rebedle mao na ang labing tinuod.


Moa lage a political entity, a self governance in which similar sa kanang ministerial system. How can they have that kind/type of government and we have a different one pod? COntradicting db?

I wonder pod, like sa imong gi ingon na they will still be subjected to the same government (including military and police). Does this mean those MILF/BIFF/MNLF will be the new military/police in those areas? will they report the same senior and have the same hierarchy to begin with? Sumpaki man, considering ilang mindset dli jd ni sila magpa under, or even magpa tamak sa ilang "territoryo". Hope ma gets nmo ni..

I was hoping you have read the drafted bill. There is no point in discussing when we are not in the same plane.
Actually bro, to broaden a little bit into ARMM. Dili man to MILF, murag MNLF man to ang ilang kasabot.

Please read nalang ug unsa ang state ug unsay powers ana over a political entity under the principles of subsidiarity.

[yhokz101]

All-out-war against whom man bro? MNLF, MILF, BIFF, how about ABU Sayyaf, ISIS?

Peace is never a guarantee ani bro, and so does in all-out-war.

All-out-war vs Peace talks.. I'd rather have the latter.

I think he is referring to all of them. In that sense you are correct, peace is never a guarantee maski asa pa aning kalibutana.

But have you considered say, to control them to minimize at least. This is obviously getting out of hands, esp the way gi handle sa atong govt. Who don't want peace? Peace is an illusion, only can be found in "elysium".

You can never have attainable peace with these kind of people.

Since the beginning man gud, gi tolerate ra ning mga rebelde.

Usa pod lisod mag hiusa ang pinas tungod sa geographical structure. mao na if we/our govt willing to comprimise and agree on their terms which I doubt reasonable, then we can have "peace".. maybe.

[yhokz101]

I was hoping you have read the drafted bill. There is no point in discussing when we are not in the same plane.
Actually bro, to broaden a little bit into ARMM. Dili man to MILF, murag MNLF man to ang ilang kasabot.

Please read nalang ug unsa ang state ug unsay powers ana over a political entity under the principles of subsidiarity.

Actually gi basa nko na few days pero wala nko gi tiwas tungod kay wa naho ganahi sa idea (without even completing kay tungod sa nahitabo). I will read it again this weekend. Yeah MNLF or MILF they are in both ways same factions.. naa uban ni apil sa pikas ang uban ni balhin. kita ray gi buang ani nila.

It would be unwise for me to judge the BBL without even reading it all but I am judging their attitude and the history of senseless violence. They cannot be trusted with that Law, they will corrupt and will repeat what has happened. This is not about how pure and good the intent of the BBL, it's their attitude and mindset that troubles me.

[burgersteak]

It breaks my heart to see those fallen soldiers. They don't deserve nga ingon anaon pagpatay.

I feel sad and angry sa piste nga presidente, sa iyang mga kaalyado ug milf.

Dle jud dapat magpeace talk kay dle na sila kasaligan, mga traydor na cla.

[H.Wolowitz]

Well done, good and faithful servants! May you all rest in peace. THANK YOU

[kiyoshishannen]

All-out-war against whom man bro? MNLF, MILF, BIFF, how about ABU Sayyaf, ISIS?

Peace is never a guarantee ani bro, and so does in all-out-war.

All-out-war vs Peace talks.. I'd rather have the latter.

Bro..your making me laugh! All of them...MNLF,MILF,BIFF they are all one FAMILY in same TERRITORIES. In fact, all of their so called "warrior soldiers" are just family relatives.
How can you sell them "peace" when the leaders of their faction do not have control of their soldiers? If you have to sell "peace" to them , then you have to do it "door to door" to all of them(the leaders,soldiers,their families , their wives..etc..). Not just give them some piece of paper or a draft like the bangsamoro bill.
The problem with peace is not with us...it is with THEM. The government have been selling them "peace" for such a long time that it has become a joke to them. Many of our governments military,police and civilian have been victims of this "failed peace."
How many more massacres will we have to endure? How can you sell them the idea of "peace" when these kind people mutilate and desicrate even the dead bodies of fallen soldiers? Have you seen the photos of fallen 44? Can you expect such kind of people to understand peace?