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  1. #281

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_hard View Post
    murag ikaw ramay bogo bai, close minded pa dyud...if die hard imong g hisgutan dili ka ka sugat ana diri sa istorya, dili na mo unong nimo igo raka kataw an
    Ikaw ray bugo na closed minded bai, way ayo imung mga argumento, nag pa ilang mga bulok jud ning mga kristiyano.

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by NoRemorse View Post
    Nganung naka ingun man ka na ang creation is the proof of "GODS" existence?
    this is what we call the argument of design.

    We see that natural bodies work with a goal not by chance but for a purpose.(purpose in the sense that everything in creation have their corresponding roles and parts in sustaining creation).

    but we also know that most natural bodies like the heavenly bodies in the universe or the things in nature do not have Knowledge and Intelligence on them but because of the the Laws governing them, they are able to function properly and orderly.

    the question is, how is it that the universe is able to put up specific Laws if everything was supposed to be a product of chance? we know that nothing specific can come out from something random..

    on the contrary,
    we see specific Laws governing everything hence produced specific effects.
    Laws point out to a Design, Design points out to purpose
    and purpose to Intelligence and Intelligence points out a Being..

    Therefore in order for the universe to function the way it does,
    and to acquire specific Laws and orders.
    it requires intelligence and with the size of the universe and everything known and unknown about it, this suggests that the Intelligence of this being is infinite. we believe that this Infinitely Intelligent being is God.

    so palihug ko ug refute ani, ipakita nga walay purpose ug walay design ang creation. then from there..we can rule out the creator/designer. .
    when we say refutation.it must be something that points out to a direct and absolute evidence contradicting purpose and design rather than mere alternative options and what ifs.
    although this proof might be philosophical ang basis ani kay purely empirical in other words reality and actuality of nature ang nag suporta ani nga argument.

    by the way, wa pa nimu gitubag akong question regarding practicality.
    ug asa na imung proof nga bogo si Gregor Mendel?
    ug diba ning ingun ko nga iqoute ko para makahibaw ko ug ningtubag naka?

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_hard View Post
    lain pud kaaug science bai...
    ...
    on the contrary, depende ra jud na sa tao ug iyang pagsabut sa mga butang..
    as for myself, i consider science as something that could reveal the reality of nature..and from that point of view, apart from my Faith..i have seen that God exists..

  4. #284
    man's science is but a tiny peeble compared to the boulder that is the knowledge of God..

  5. #285
    Ts, my mom told us. naka experience na siya ug life after death way back mga bata pami.
    she told us iyang nakita kay stairs nga stain glass unya iyang nakita is puros lang jud clouds.. naglakaw siya sa stairs nga pwerteng taasa nga wala siya kahibaw asa kutob basta sige rajud siya ug lakaw,. unya inig hangad niya panganod ra iya nakita. dili daw lalim maka experience ana, nag abot jud iyang ginhawa, naningkamot siya ug ginhawa kay gusto pa niya mabuhi para namo.

    thank god kay gitagaan pa siya ug chance,pagsulti dayon niya ug jesus nakamata dayon siya. the next day ts, nahibaw-an niya nga namatay ang one of our relatives,so nagdungan sila ato na tym. swerte lang ako mom kay nakamata.

    maona giingon sa ako mama ts, ang life after death is tinuod jud na. didto nka learn akong mom sa kato nahetabo niya nga dapat tagaan ug importance ang atong kinabuhi kay dili lalim nga maka experience ka ana unya pinakalit pajud unya dili paka ready. naapakay mission sa kalibutan.

    maonay giingon sa ako mom karon ts.

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by hans josefina View Post
    Ts, my mom told us. naka experience na siya ug life after death way back mga bata pami.
    she told us iyang nakita kay stairs nga stain glass unya iyang nakita is puros lang jud clouds.. naglakaw siya sa stairs nga pwerteng taasa nga wala siya kahibaw asa kutob basta sige rajud siya ug lakaw,. unya inig hangad niya panganod ra iya nakita. dili daw lalim maka experience ana, nag abot jud iyang ginhawa, naningkamot siya ug ginhawa kay gusto pa niya mabuhi para namo.

    thank god kay gitagaan pa siya ug chance,pagsulti dayon niya ug jesus nakamata dayon siya. the next day ts, nahibaw-an niya nga namatay ang one of our relatives,so nagdungan sila ato na tym. swerte lang ako mom kay nakamata.

    maona giingon sa ako mama ts, ang life after death is tinuod jud na. didto nka learn akong mom sa kato nahetabo niya nga dapat tagaan ug importance ang atong kinabuhi kay dili lalim nga maka experience ka ana unya pinakalit pajud unya dili paka ready. naapakay mission sa kalibutan.

    maonay giingon sa ako mom karon ts.
    basin mao gitawag ug NDE... Near Death Experience

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    this is what we call the argument of design.

    We see that natural bodies work with a goal not by chance but for a purpose.(purpose in the sense that everything in creation have their corresponding roles and parts in sustaining creation).

    but we also know that most natural bodies like the heavenly bodies in the universe or the things in nature do not have Knowledge and Intelligence on them but because of the the Laws governing them, they are able to function properly and orderly.

    the question is, how is it that the universe is able to put up specific Laws if everything was supposed to be a product of chance? we know that nothing specific can come out from something random..

    on the contrary,
    we see specific Laws governing everything hence produced specific effects.
    Laws point out to a Design, Design points out to purpose
    and purpose to Intelligence and Intelligence points out a Being..

    Therefore in order for the universe to function the way it does,
    and to acquire specific Laws and orders.
    it requires intelligence and with the size of the universe and everything known and unknown about it, this suggests that the Intelligence of this being is infinite. we believe that this Infinitely Intelligent being is God.

    so palihug ko ug refute ani, ipakita nga walay purpose ug walay design ang creation. then from there..we can rule out the creator/designer. .
    when we say refutation.it must be something that points out to a direct and absolute evidence contradicting purpose and design rather than mere alternative options and what ifs.
    although this proof might be philosophical ang basis ani kay purely empirical in other words reality and actuality of nature ang nag suporta ani nga argument.

    by the way, wa pa nimu gitubag akong question regarding practicality.
    ug asa na imung proof nga bogo si Gregor Mendel?
    ug diba ning ingun ko nga iqoute ko para makahibaw ko ug ningtubag naka?
    Ang problema sa inyong mga bulok na kristiyano, kay kung wala mo kabalo sa tarong na tubag sa origin sa mga "LAWS" kay mo conclude dayon mo na naay "Intelligent Creator" behind ani, Binugo,Tinamad ug Inignorante mana, pag research ug tarong ug ayaw ug pataka ug conclude diha mura sad kag korek bataa ka.

    May gani dili na pareho sa imuha si Gregor Mendel, kay kung pariha mo ug pang huna huna dili unta niya madiskobrehan ang genetics, kay kung closed minded pud siya pariha nimo magpataka na lang pud siya ug conclude na naay "Intelligent Creator" behind sa genetics, wala na sa iyahang religion nganung na diskobrehan niya ang genetics, Nag experiment siya using scientific methods that has nothing to do with religion.

    May pag sundogon nimo si Gregor Mendel, kung naa kay wala na sabtan sa mga "LAWS" pag research lang, be curious, ug ayaw dayon ug pataka ug conclude kung wala ka kabalo sa tubag, kay kung pataka na lang kag sabat diha na naay "INTELLIGENT CREATOR" behind this all mahimo kang ignoranteng tanga ana.

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Passport View Post
    basin mao gitawag ug NDE... Near Death Experience
    nah,ambot lang sad lage. maybe maonay tawag.. basta maonay giingon sa ako mama. naka experience siya ana..

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by hans josefina View Post
    nah,ambot lang sad lage. maybe maonay tawag.. basta maonay giingon sa ako mama. naka experience siya ana..
    nakasulay na man ko ana...

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by hans josefina View Post
    Ts, my mom told us. naka experience na siya ug life after death way back mga bata pami.
    she told us iyang nakita kay stairs nga stain glass unya iyang nakita is puros lang jud clouds.. naglakaw siya sa stairs nga pwerteng taasa nga wala siya kahibaw asa kutob basta sige rajud siya ug lakaw,. unya inig hangad niya panganod ra iya nakita. dili daw lalim maka experience ana, nag abot jud iyang ginhawa, naningkamot siya ug ginhawa kay gusto pa niya mabuhi para namo.

    thank god kay gitagaan pa siya ug chance,pagsulti dayon niya ug jesus nakamata dayon siya. the next day ts, nahibaw-an niya nga namatay ang one of our relatives,so nagdungan sila ato na tym. swerte lang ako mom kay nakamata.

    maona giingon sa ako mama ts, ang life after death is tinuod jud na. didto nka learn akong mom sa kato nahetabo niya nga dapat tagaan ug importance ang atong kinabuhi kay dili lalim nga maka experience ka ana unya pinakalit pajud unya dili paka ready. naapakay mission sa kalibutan.

    maonay giingon sa ako mom karon ts.
    Nag hallucinate ra to.

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