'We tried to contact each other' - captains from both ships that collided.

[sizzlingROBOT]

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There are many reasons siguro pa, Bro. The speed of the wind could play a factor at that time too because hangin2x bya to.

Wala ko kibalo unsai maneuvering speed in that strait. I hope naa person diri na with knowledge maka.inform sa ato unsai required speed diha sa Cebu strait. Basi arbitrary ra ni na figure, kai magdepende sa behavior sa sea current and wind speed.

Most likely, fast ang current kai taub man. Meaning daghan ug volume of water coming from the north. Any vessel in streamline with the current may have to increase speed to overcome the force of the sea current.

Ah okay so current mao ang likely reason sa speed nga 15kts.

Pero regardless if 15kts or not manuevering speed na ba ni siya? By maneuvering speed ako pasabot mas dali maglower ug rpm compare sa sea speed?

So the current is North to South padung taob.
Atong time of collision padung taob man to siya (obserba nako kay gafishing mi ato nga time sa pier ug sige pa saka ang water level).

[vo2max]

There are many reasons siguro pa, Bro. The speed of the wind could play a factor at that time too because hangin2x bya to.

Wala ko kibalo unsai maneuvering speed in that strait. I hope naa person diri na with knowledge maka.inform sa ato unsai required speed diha sa Cebu strait. Basi arbitrary ra ni na figure, kai magdepende sa behavior sa sea current and wind speed.

Most likely, fast ang current kai taub man. Meaning daghan ug volume of water coming from the north. Any vessel in streamline with the current may have to increase speed to overcome the force of the sea current.

imho
Maneuvering speed is inherent to each vessels engine characteristic not to a particular location.
Bali sa akong pagkasabot kung ang usa ka barko naka maneuvering speed, puwede na siya maka reduce rpm mas dali kaysa wala pa siya naka maneuvering speed.

I guess my query would be considered moot and academic and let's forget about that considering sila ra gyud ana ang makatubag.

[knickerbocker888]

mga sirs, pangutana lng.. y man kng bus driver madisgrasya pwede or ma.detain man cya? ug ngano sa both captains (sulpicio ang 2Go) wala man ma.detain? dili cla pwede e.detain? kng dili, y man? again, ang bus driver naa cya mga pasahero namatay tungod sa disgrasya, unya kini 2 ka.barko nagbangga,nadisgrasya daghan patay (esp mga bata).. unsa diperensya sa 2? medyo OT cguro ni, pero sorry ha..

[mang kulas]

Aw kusog diay nang 15 kts (27.8 kph)?
Unsang speed diay imo ikarekomenda under the prevailing circumstances?
Unsa kahay salida/"turning circle" aning barkoha sa 15kts with 1 nmile distance sa usa ka barko? Imong estimate lang @mang kulas mga pila kaha.

Mas dakong pangutana tingali ngano ang Sulpicio tua man sa inbound lane noh.
Dili ba murag sa highway nga misugat sa main traffic flow ang Sulpicio?

Kussssooooog ra kaayu ng 15 kts... kung sa tan aw a kapitan sa 2GO safe speed pana, ambot lng niya, cguro tungod sa kada adlaw xa mubyahe ug kabisado na nila ang fairway, pero 15 kts? around 27kph...... kusog na uy!

Bro each vessel lain lain ug gitawag na xag MANEUVERING CHARACTERISTICS naka post na xa sa Bridge. naa ang ADVANCE, TRANSFER, Turning Radius... from Full ahead to crash astern naa sad na kung pila ka deistanxa ma cover.

ang radio communication bro dili na nimu pwedi pasanginlan.. IMPORTANTE kaayu nang radio communication, dili na nimu pweding wagtangon, pero dili na xa pwedi himoon na reason nganu, ang problema jud nila, PA ASTIGAY jud sila kinsay unang mulikay

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huh? ever heard of minimum bare steerage speed?
wala cguro ka kasakay ug mga barko nga kun mag 8 knots below dili na ma-steady ang heading.
Ang maneuvering speed sa akong mga barko nga mga nasakyan is 14 knots man at 40RPM

So 15 knots kusug na kaayo on a narrow channel?
parehas man gyud ta wala nkasakay ug inter-island then perhaps nakabiyahe
naka sa mga inland waters sa America say Savannah River on a container ship perhaps?
Wala ka kasab-i sa Pilot ug nangayo nalang siya ug additional RPM if your vessel can't provide the 14 knots he requested sa maneuvering full.

15 knots kusug ra kaayo on narrow channel?
nakabiyahe ka sa Ningbo where currents can go as strong as 9 knots?

15 knots kusug ra kaayo on a narrow channel?
Nakabiyahi ka sa Ho Chi Minh?
The approach is narrow as narrow can get.
If wala paka naka biyahe sa Ho Chi Minh or kita sa charts diha,
I'll be happy to provide you a screenshot from my Transas Chart Collection.
(dili na nimo makita sa OPenCpn CM 93v2 charts).
Wala ka kuyapi pag-ingon sa Pilot to go full sea speed - full sea speed on a very narrow river (edit: and parang bituka ng manok as an AB described it) on a container ship at that?

I can go on but anyway ang akong punto is nganong naka-ingon man ka nga 15 knots is kusug ra kaayo on a narrow channel?
Pilot ka? If you are, then i must relent and crawl back under my rock.
Pero i doubt nga Pilot ka or an officer-of-the watch at the very least.
Kay if you have stand watch maski 4 hours lang samtang ang imong barko is navigating on a "narrow channel"
you should have known nga "safe speed" on a narrow channel is relative.
Daghan factors involved, some of which i've already mentioned - minimum bare steerage speed, current and Pilot's discretion.
Needless to say there are vessels that must maintain an ideal safe speed of 15 knots in a narrow channel
ang mo slow down lang where there are very shallow areas to reduce the squat.

I can go on discussing squat if you like

Sorry bro wala pko kasakay ug container bay, pero ang SAFE speed na gi state sa rule, wala jud nag indicate ug pila, ang safe speed ang KAPITAN mag DETERMINE ana kung safe paba xa ana. if he can stop the vessel at aample time sa kanang 15 knts in case naay collision, mao na ang rule #6 bro SAFE speed. ug ikaw bro sa 15 kts tan.aw sa inyong KAPITAN safe speed pana, aw, dili na pwedi ma question ang imung KAPITAN kay xa guy master, pero ug aqoy MASTER sa usa ka barko mu sulod anang CHANEL dha sa cbu, na quarter MILE ray gilapdon sa safe water. dili jud ko gusto mulapas ug 10 KTS bro.

Ug bro basig nakalimot ka na wala silay PILOTO, unya ang MASTER naa bayay OVERRIDING Authority, if the master feels na UNSAFE ang command sa piloto, iya nang i OVERIDE ang command... TIMONEL kanoh?

[siopawix]

Mura man ug daghan nakahibaw sa panghitabo. It is the job of the Phil. Coast Guard and Marina to investigate. Let's just hope they do their best. This incident should be an eye opener to the government.

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Mura man ug daghan nakahibaw sa panghitabo. It is the job of the Phil. Coast Guard and Marina to investigate. Let's just hope they do their best. This incident should be an eye opener to the government.

[7DMM]

huh? ever heard of minimum bare steerage speed?
wala cguro ka kasakay ug mga barko nga kun mag 8 knots below dili na ma-steady ang heading.
Ang maneuvering speed sa akong mga barko nga mga nasakyan is 14 knots man at 40RPM

So 15 knots kusug na kaayo on a narrow channel?
parehas man gyud ta wala nkasakay ug inter-island then perhaps nakabiyahe
naka sa mga inland waters sa America say Savannah River on a container ship perhaps?
Wala ka kasab-i sa Pilot ug nangayo nalang siya ug additional RPM if your vessel can't provide the 14 knots he requested sa maneuvering full.

15 knots kusug ra kaayo on narrow channel?
nakabiyahe ka sa Ningbo where currents can go as strong as 9 knots?

15 knots kusug ra kaayo on a narrow channel?
Nakabiyahi ka sa Ho Chi Minh?
The approach is narrow as narrow can get.
If wala paka naka biyahe sa Ho Chi Minh or kita sa charts diha,
I'll be happy to provide you a screenshot from my Transas Chart Collection.
(dili na nimo makita sa OPenCpn CM 93v2 charts).
Wala ka kuyapi pag-ingon sa Pilot to go full sea speed - full sea speed on a very narrow river (edit: and parang bituka ng manok as an AB described it) on a container ship at that?

I can go on but anyway ang akong punto is nganong naka-ingon man ka nga 15 knots is kusug ra kaayo on a narrow channel?
Pilot ka? If you are, then i must relent and crawl back under my rock.
Pero i doubt nga Pilot ka or an officer-of-the watch at the very least.
Kay if you have stand watch maski 4 hours lang samtang ang imong barko is navigating on a "narrow channel"
you should have known nga "safe speed" on a narrow channel is relative.
Daghan factors involved, some of which i've already mentioned - minimum bare steerage speed, current and Pilot's discretion.
Needless to say there are vessels that must maintain an ideal safe speed of 15 knots in a narrow channel
ang mo slow down lang where there are very shallow areas to reduce the squat.

I can go on discussing squat if you like

i suggest that you better tone down.you're on my radar.

[mang kulas]

i suggest that you better tone down.you're on my radar.

Sus! nagtoo jud kog wala kay radar boss, mayu kay nakit.an nimu, hehe

[Eiso]

Pero i doubt nga Pilot ka or an officer-of-the watch at the very least

bro, 2 years nko ETO sa barko pero ala ko ka sugat ana nga term. officer on watch cguro.
15kts cruising speed naman na sa amo. kusog rajud ang 15kts..

[The_Watcher]

Ngano man ang driver sa mini-bus nga nahagbong sa Pardo gi-detain man ug kaning duwa wala man?

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kani jud oh. sakto kaayo ni! ngano kung drivers involved in vehicular accidents kay ma prison man pero ang mga captain dili? What a freaking unfairness! mas daghan pa gani patay sa ani na sea tragedy compared sa mga vehicular accidents.

[janhenz1]

bro, 2 years nko ETO sa barko pero ala ko ka sugat ana nga term. officer on watch cguro.
15kts cruising speed naman na sa amo. kusog rajud ang 15kts..

basa basa din pag may time.
you may start here-
Your Responsibilities as an Officer of the Watch

OMG, 16 knots at the Suez Canal

speed in the suez canal - Ships Nostalgia

edit :
15 knots cruising speed? bulk?
28.x knots sad sa amo.