The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[dartzed]

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ingun man gud ka "...does this mean God also fails sa claim nga "all seeing God"?.."

mao ingun ko wa ko kabasa kay all i know nga all seing God man siya pero wa ko kabasa if naa bay verse nagsulti nga naa siyay wa nakita

hmmmmmm but you answered sa ako question 1st "is God all knowing" ana ka "NO, naay panahon di or wa kahibalo ang DIOS labi na sa unsay buhaton sa isa ka tawo."..

based sa imo gitell nga naay chances nga wala kabalo ang Ginuo.. ako ni giask nimo "does this mean God also fails sa claim nga "all seeing God" and of course these are all based sa bible tanan nko questions..

d ra libog bro, gets ra?..

[acescream]

@acescream, kataas ba aning tubaga oi! hehehehe...malibat man sab tag basa
honestly bai, i would rather have you answer my questions accordingly as how i presented them than
post biblical verses with your interpretation...para mas maapas nato atong pag diskorso, point by point.

pasensya na bai noy if taas, kay dili man ako nitubag sa imo questions, ang Bible man. If you have some time,
take a bit of like 2-3 mins to read the answers kay, if imo nakita bai noy, the questions where answered accordingly as how
you presented them, it's in order.

It's so sad you're always using the "your-own-interpretation" palusot. From the answers, please provide me with the verses that you think i interpreted and then tell
me what they mean, so i might correct myself too and you will be helping me too you know.
And as a consolation, if you can provide me with at least one verse with my own interpretation,
then i will admit that i'm just interpreting the Bible on my own, you can confidently say that i am blind with the truth
then it will be ok for you to not take me seriously.

But if you can't find one, feel free to ask me more.

Let the search begin.

[Breakeven]

@JCBOY

O.T.
Dong Breakeven, gisul-an na sab ka? Wa tawon mi maglalis anang among Qur'an bahin sa description sa among God busa ayaw mi apil-apila anang inyong kalibog! In fact, every year no matter what sect in Islam, as you might say we belong, we go together in Makkah for hajj and together we chant "LABBAYIK ALLAH HUMMA LABBAYIK, LABBAYIK LA SHARIKA LAKA LABBAYIK, INNAL HAMDA WAN-NI'MATA LAKA WALMUK, LAA SHARIKA LAK" in English translation "O my Lord, here I am at Your service, There is no partner with You, here I am. Truly the praise and the provisions are Yours, and so is the dominion and sovereignty. There is no partner with You." So, nganong daghan o duna pa man question nga it is already well explained in the Qur'an and the Qur'an still have the original language with it as it is still in the time of the Prophet.

OT:
Ayaw lang kalain part ha kung kasabot ka unsay rationality and civility. Explain lang sa imong point without uttering harsh words that stirs up friction. Dili mi makasabot kung unsa kanindot ang imong belief kung in ana imong reaction.

It’s true nagkausa mo sa pilgrimage during hajj sa mecca, that is not the issue, as Christians worldwide are also united in celebrating the Christmas day or the lenten season in showing our veneration and reverence towards the almighty. In fact, moapil man gani tingali mo sa opportunity during this special day by selling firecrackers and stuffs that resembles christmas. Diba?

Dili man ang Ginoo ang gilalisan diri kundi ang mga doctrines sa church. Kung imong hunahunaon pag-ayo, dili man ikadeny there are differences in your beliefs also. Im sure dili ka inosente aning divisions among muslims.

Divisions in Islam

KSP man gyud tawon ka dodong mora'g duna kay ADHD syndrome ba, sorry ha! Pag-puyo respetahi ni nga thread.

Unsa nang ADHD part, mao ni?

A- Adherent sa usa ka religion nga
D- Dili makahatag explaination kay
H- Hanap iyang pagtuo unyag pangutan-on,
D- Daling masuko

[JcBoY]

@JCBOY



OT:
Ayaw lang kalain part ha kung kasabot ka unsay rationality and civility. Explain lang sa imong point without uttering harsh words that stirs up friction. Dili mi makasabot kung unsa kanindot ang imong belief kung in ana imong reaction.

It’s true nagkausa mo sa pilgrimage during hajj sa mecca, that is not the issue, as Christians worldwide are also united in celebrating the Christmas day or the lenten season in showing our veneration and reverence towards the almighty. In fact, moapil man gani tingali mo sa opportunity during this special day by selling firecrackers and stuffs that resembles christmas. Diba?

Dili man ang Ginoo ang gilalisan diri kundi ang mga doctrines sa church. Kung imong hunahunaon pag-ayo, dili man ikadeny there are differences in your beliefs also. Im sure dili ka inosente aning divisions among muslims.

Divisions in Islam



Unsa nang ADHD part, mao ba ni?

A- Adherent sa usa ka belief nga
D- Dili makahatag explaination kay
H- Hanap iyang pagtuo ug
D- Daling masuko

O.T.

Dong Breakeven, di na man siguro ka batang gamay nga nagkat-on pa, tawon pud dong pagkat-on ug maayong pamatasan basaha ra gud nang thread title, no wonder gyud tawon nga kanunay kang ma-ban! sorry sa mga RC ha! sigi ka uroy ug pang-gukod sa mga Muslims unya gibuhi ra ba intawon ka nila diha sa gawas....bye!

[acescream]

hello bay noy, naa pud koy questions from the answer you gave mam dartzed.

well at one point sakto ka, walay Ginoo mamatay...

kung ang Diyos imo pasabot ani sakto(Psalm 102:24-27) pero kung Ginoo lang, mejo careful ta kay
duha man ni sila, ang Ginoong Diyos og ang Ginoong Hesuskristo, then the latter died. So i
bet, you mean ang Ginoong Diyos diri bay noy. Ato lang iklaro para sa mga ubang di pa tanto
sweto sa Bibliya para di sila ma-mislead.

however when the word became flesh He became human(Jesus)

1. if nahimong tawo ang Diyos, kinsa man ang nahabilin didto sa langit?

2. Kang kinsa nag-ampo ang Diyos diri sa John 11:41-42 if nahimong tawo Siya?

John 11:41-42 - "So they took away the stone. Then Jesus LOOKED UP & SAID, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."

3. Kinsa man ang Diyos sa atong Diyos kung nahimo siyang tawo, diri sa John 20:17?

John 20:17 - "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

4. If ang Diyos nahimong tawo nga si Jesus, ngano wa man kabalo si Jesus kanus-a ang katapusan, diri sa Mark 13:32?

Mark 13:32 - ""However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

5. Kinsa man ang Diyos nga nagsulti nga iyang anak si Jesus pagkahuman sa bautismo ni John the Baptist diri sa Matthew 3:13-17?

Matthew 3:17 - "And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

however Jesus' Spirit is not like ours, His Spirit is the Holy Spirit that has the power to raise Himself from the dead.

1. bai noy niana lage si Apostol Pablo nga ang Diyos ang nagbuhi ni Jesus gikan sa kamatayon, dili daw si Hesus nagbuhi sa iyang kaugalingon, sa Acts 13:37 :

Acts 13:37 - "But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay."

kung sayop si Apostol Pablo, kinsa diay gibuhi sa Diyos ani?

2. Kung gibuhi ni Jesus iyang kaugalingon kay siya ang Diyos, kinsa diay ang giingon sa Diyos nga iyang Diyos diri sa John 20:17:

John 20:17 - "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

hinaot imong mapatin-aw diri sa atong mga readers. Good luck!

[Breakeven]

O.T.

Dong Breakeven, di na man siguro ka batang gamay nga nagkat-on pa, tawon pud dong pagkat-on ug maayong pamatasan basaha ra gud nang thread title, no wonder gyud tawon nga kanunay kang ma-ban! sorry sa mga RC ha! sigi ka uroy ug pang-gukod sa mga Muslims unya gibuhi ra ba intawon ka nila diha sa gawas....bye!

heheh....dili tawn ang muslim nagbuhi nako, akong paningkamot bisan wala pay muslim sa kalibutan, mabuhi gihapon ko part. sorry ha?

dili sad muslim akong amo, hindu...itik.
Mao nay nakafaet kung religion imong gi-depensaan and not the truth kay dili ka kamao makig-discuss with civility.

[Breakeven]

@acescream

kung ang Diyos imo pasabot ani sakto(Psalm 102:24-27) pero kung Ginoo lang, mejo careful ta kay duha man ni sila, ang Ginoong Diyos og ang Ginoong Hesuskristo, then the latter died. So I bet, you mean ang Ginoong Diyos diri bay noy. Ato lang iklaro para sa mga ubang di pa tanto sweto sa Bibliya para di sila ma-mislead.

Bro ace, paapila ko ha basin naa koy mashare bisan gamay sad idea rani akoa sad based on the bible.

Wala jud tay lusot sa Christian concept of Trinity and the dual nature of Jesus Christ. Makagrasp ta ani nga truth kung atong palawman gamay ug sabot. Im not so good in stressing out my point bro but cut and paste maayo kayo ko ana…hehhe. Pasensya bro ha?

The Dual Nature of Jesus Christ | Grace Communion International

if nahimong tawo ang Diyos, kinsa man ang nahabilin didto sa langit?

Not omnipresent and imong God kung mauhon na bro coz it appears that He only exists in a limited dimension, kung magpakataw siya mawala na iyang pagka Ginoo.

Kang kinsa nag-ampo ang Diyos diri sa John 11:41-42 if nahimong tawo Siya?
John 11:41-42 - "So they took away the stone. Then Jesus LOOKED UP & SAID, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."

Note unsa ang gi-mention diha, FATHER, SENT…meaning, relationship and dunay purpose ang iyang pag-incarnate, understand the TRINITY and the plan of salvation well kay makasabot ta unsay gi mean ana nga verse.

Kinsa man ang Diyos sa atong Diyos kung nahimo siyang tawo, diri sa John 20:17?
John 20:17 - "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Again, the Trinity will address this. No humans who claimed and have such relationship like Jesus did.

If ang Diyos nahimong tawo nga si Jesus, ngano wa man kabalo si Jesus kanus-a ang katapusan, diri sa Mark 13:32?
Mark 13:32 - ""However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

Jesus’ dual nature will address this.

If Jesus is God, then why did He not know the time of His return? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Kinsa man ang Diyos nga nagsulti nga iyang anak si Jesus pagkahuman sa bautismo ni John the Baptist diri sa Matthew 3:13-17?
Matthew 3:17 - "And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Again, the TRINITY.

bai noy niana lage si Apostol Pablo nga ang Diyos ang nagbuhi ni Jesus gikan sa kamatayon, dili daw si Hesus nagbuhi sa iyang kaugalingon, sa Acts 13:37 :
Acts 13:37 - "But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay."
kung sayop si Apostol Pablo, kinsa diay gibuhi sa Diyos ani?
2. Kung gibuhi ni Jesus iyang kaugalingon kay siya ang Diyos, kinsa diay ang giingon sa Diyos nga iyang Diyos diri sa John 20:17:
John 20:17 - "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Bro, kung naa kay time nindot sad ni sya studyhan nga mga verses and compare it with those verses nga doubtful ka sa iyang deity. hope this would help you solve the confusion kay giingon sad diha sa bible....

Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). God bless bro!

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23

For unto us a Child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder: and his name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)

And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people. Luke 7:16

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

because he had not only broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18

Jesus said:
I and my Father are one. John 10:30

The Jews answered him [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10:33

When many were about to stone Jesus for blasphemy (John 10:30-39), He said to them that said he blasphemed "because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:36).

You call Me Teacher and Lord; and ye say well; for so I Am. John 13:13

But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I Am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 14:61-62

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9
"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works." ( John 14:10)

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28

...lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:4

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:14-17

...Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:6

...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

...who [Jesus] is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 1 Timothy 6:15

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. Hebrews 1:2-3

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:13

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:16

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24

Zechariah 12:10 - And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven Matthew 7:21

And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel (means God Among Us).

Note: "his wings" Isaiah 8:8 ...See the prophecy of the Tzit-Tzit (fringes of His gown) that Jesus fulfilled here

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jeremiah 23:5-6
Once, a paralytic man was presented before Jesus for healing (Luke 5:17-26), and Jesus said, “Man, thy sins are forgiven thee” (Luke 5:20). And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? (Luke 5:21). But Jesus (God in flesh) knew their thoughts and queried,

But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. (Luke 5:22-24)

And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God

Revelation 19:11-14 - speaking of Yeshua/Jesus leading the Army of Heaven:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:

Jehovah shares His glory only with Jesus...
In Isaiah 42:8 Jehovah himself is speaking, and He emphatically declares "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Again, in Isaiah 48:11, Jehovah is speaking, and He declares: "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."

John 17:5 tells us Jesus said; "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Of course that is Jesus speaking of being part of the Godhead Himself. Since God will not share His glory. And Jesus tells us He had this glory with Yahweh/Jehovah before creation. What more proof from Jehovah or the lips of Jesus do you want?

The Scriptures bear unmistakable testimony to the creative activity of God's Son, distinguishing Him from among the "things" created, as the Creator and Sustainer of "all things."

The Book of Colossians:
The entire context of Colossians 1:15-27 is filled with superlatives in its description of the Lord Jesus as the "image of the invisible God, the first begetter [or according to Erasmus ''original bringer forth''] of every creature."

The Apostle Paul lauds the Son of God as Creator of all things (v.16) and describes Him as existing "before all things" and as the one by whom "all things consist" (v.17). This is in perfect harmony with the entire picture Scripture paints of the Eternal Word of God (John 1:1), who was made flesh (John 1:14) and of whom it was written: "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:3). The writer of Hebrews also pointed out that God's Son "[upholds] all things by the word of his power" (Hebrews 1:3) and that He is Deity in all its fullness, even as Paul wrote to the Colossians: "For...in him should all fullness (of God) dwell" (Colossians 1:19)

When Jesus was led before the council of the elders of the people (Luke 22:66-71), He made the statement that “...Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.,” they asked, “Are you then the Son of God?” (22:69,70a). Jesus replied, “Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am. His enemies confirmed that they understood this to be a claim by Jesus to be the Son of God by their response, “And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth. ”

source:
Bible Verses Stating Jesus is God

[dartzed]

@acescream

wala pa jud d i ka mahuman ana bro? wa pa jud d i ka makontento sa mystery of the holy trinity one God sa RC ug sa "Isaiah 43:11 I am, I am the Lord: and there is no savior besides me." ?..

assignment bro oh, can you explain this to us please...

the Father is talking to his Son....

Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son "God." But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever."

Heb. 1:9 - God calls the Son "God." "Therefore, God, Thy God has anointed Thee."

Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son "Lord." "And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work."

maybe makahelp ni nimo bro maybe makasabot ka why we RC consider Jesus to be also God..

ing.na lang ko if ganahan pakag daghan..

mas maau nang ikaw makatubag sa imo mga pangutana kay hilig man kay kag basa sa bible..

[slabdans]

@acescream

hinay2x lang kay basin di ka kabantay ma OT ka...ang thread para man sa Roman Catholic Question, so kung tubagon kag mga katoliko nga tubag OK na siguro na...di man ni mao ang thread sa debate...hehehe

para sad sa uban hinay2x sad sa mga banat...ayaw tira ug personalay, tiraha lang ng iyang POV...peace to ALL

[noy]

pasensya na bai noy if taas, kay dili man ako nitubag sa imo questions, ang Bible man. If you have some time,
take a bit of like 2-3 mins to read the answers kay, if imo nakita bai noy, the questions where answered accordingly as how
you presented them, it's in order.

It's so sad you're always using the "your-own-interpretation" palusot. From the answers, please provide me with the verses that you think i interpreted and then tell
me what they mean, so i might correct myself too and you will be helping me too you know.
And as a consolation, if you can provide me with at least one verse with my own interpretation,
then i will admit that i'm just interpreting the Bible on my own, you can confidently say that i am blind with the truth
then it will be ok for you to not take me seriously.

But if you can't find one, feel free to ask me more.

Let the search begin.

pag sure bai ha, i'm not here 'cause i am confused about my faith as a Catholic and most of all as a Christian.
i am here to answer questions towards the RC as an RC nothing more.
matud pang master spring, kung di ka kauyon sa tubag sa Katoliko, move on!
prehas gud na ug magkigstorya tas atong igsoon nga muslim
pananglit ngutana ko niya kung nganu ni, or nganu na? kung di ko mu agree sa iyang tubag...well wa koy mabuhat...mao man pud iyang pagtan.aw anang mga butanga...or i would have to express my POV, i would do it in a way nga dili pina sweto or pina preach2x as if ako ray insakto ug siya sayop, prehas aning imung style run!

and what do you mean palusot? what would i gain for making palusot? Lol
and why would i need to make palusot? kay napiit ko?haha...

nganu nakaingun ko nga "your own interpretation"?
check how the whole Christian church view Jesus, we all see Jesus as God
but you don't. the church that has been in placed for almost 2000 years, say that Jesus is God
and you DO NOT. so when i say that Jesus is God, aside from the fact that it is what my POV tells me..
that has been confirmed by ALL Christian churches.
so now tell me that you are not using your own interpretation.or if it is not your own, then it is something that does not belong to the church..

like i said, i don't have problems with your POV and whatever your faith is,
BUT what i DO NOT like is that when you are imposing them to me, shoving them to me as if you're the only person who knows and can know everything there is about God..
that is just plainly DISRESPECTFUL.

No, you're not able to answer my questions accordingly sorry
ESPECIALLY, the question WHY should i believe in you over
my personal experience about Jesus being GOD and the rest of the
confirming whole CHRISTIAN church along with her expert translators(please remember nga kung kahibaw ka mu translate ug greek, the church also knows how and she got LOTS of them),along with her church doctors and masters of divinity
about Jesus being God?

if you are saying that Jesus is Not God from your own POV, ok ra jud na bai, nothing i can do about it but to respect
BUT if you are saying that JESUS is NOT God and you are right and whoever thinks He's God is wrong...
becasue you know greek! and you are enlightened...oh come on!!!

Never mind my personal assesment about Him being God
PROVE it FIRST! how? PROVE it first that you KNOW MORE about whoever started and confirmed Jesus being God..
you may wanna start with these notable people who believe Jesus is God.

List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of converts to Christianity from nontheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The List above only or perhaps mostly are Scientists,philosphers who embraced or believed in Christianity

this is wikipedia's list of the "Doctors of the Church"
Doctor of the Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

di pa na mao tanan bai, perting daghana pa wa lang malista..

now my only question bai,AGAIN why should i believe in you? granted that you are NOT using "your own POV"