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  1. #4601

    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed View Post
    mao gani ako point nga deli jud mamatay ang ginuo bsan pa ug kapila pa cya patyon kay ang nature man kaha niya is being a God mao na maresurrect cya..

    walay ginuo nga namatay..
    well at one point sakto ka, walay Ginoo mamatay...
    however when the word became flesh He became human(Jesus)
    mao naka experience Siya ug pain and suffering, He did not even think of Himself as God though He was in the very nature of God(naa ni nga verse sa Bible but kaw nalang pangita if you wish to verify,it was St.Paul who said it)
    and ultimately dying on the cross...

    however Jesus' Spirit is not like ours, His Spirit is the Holy Spirit that has the power to raise Himself from the dead.
    so Jesus resurrected, and again His resurrection served many purposes, on top of that, death and resurrection was the proof He promised to give that He is God
    diba when the high priests asked Jesus what proof will He show
    He said He will tear this temple(His Body) and rebuild it in 3 days
    and many other reaons, His resurrection could be a symbol of hope
    an inspiration on the last day that we too will be raised to life etc..

    but His death is only for the atonement of Sins.

    it appears that you have a different understanding about sacrifice,death and resurrection of Christ sis
    kay mahug raman kaha ug hatag bawi kay namatay unya nabuhi..
    so i'll leave you to it. i believe i have already expressed my understanding about His sacrifice.
    Last edited by noy; 01-14-2013 at 08:11 PM.

  2. #4602
    Quote Originally Posted by newbie.86 View Post
    AMEN to this brother.

    EXPLANATION -- relating to facts

    INTERPRETATION -- relating to "fallible" opinions.

    That is why out of 35,000 Protestant denominations they can also interpret the Bible 35,000 times and they don't know which one of the interpretations is correct.
    Naa lang ko mashare gamay sad bro ha hope this will not create any friction whatsoever as we belong to one body in Chrst if we are truly saved regardless of which denominations we belong.

    There is no perfect denominations, may it be a Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, etc.
    Pulos ni sila dunay explainations and interpretations about any major doctrines, naa ra sa atuang conviction asay mauyonan sa atong panabot sad.

    I cannot say they are wrong unless their teachings obviously contradicts the bible!
    Last edited by Breakeven; 01-14-2013 at 08:08 PM.

  3. #4603
    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    Naa lang ko mashare gamay sad bro ha hope this will not create any friction whatsoever as we belong to one body in Chrst if we are truly saved regardless of which denominations we belong.

    There is no perfect denominations, may it be a Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, etc.
    Pulos ni sila dunay explainations and interpretations about any major doctrines, naa ra sa atuang conviction asay mauyonan sa atong panabot sad.

    I cannot say they are wrong unless their teachings obviously contradicts the bible!
    correct gyud bai

  4. #4604
    mao ni nakapait sa bible kay subject to interpretations mao daghan lain lain religion.. parehas ug God, parehas ug bible pero cge away asay sakto nila..faetz
    Last edited by dartzed; 01-14-2013 at 08:17 PM.

  5. #4605
    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed View Post
    mao ni nakapait sa bible kay subject to interpretations mao daghan lain lain religion.. parehas ug God, parehas ug bible pero cge away asay sakto nila..faetz
    Mao sad ni resulta sa freedom nga gihatag sa ginoo sa taw bro. but wala nay problema kung duna lang tay Holy Spirit nagdwell sa kinabuhi kay mag reign man ang compassion sa atua....though sometimes need sad to be bold in telling the truth.

    Even in other perspective, say Islam, daghan sad sila mga factions/divisions but the only thing wala sa ilaha is they dont have the freedom to express their opinions and some would even discouraged to question their belief!

  6. #4606
    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed View Post
    mao ni nakapait sa bible kay subject to interpretations mao daghan lain lain religion.. parehas ug God, parehas ug bible pero cge away asay sakto nila..faetz
    yep sakto ka, but through differences diha pud nato makita ang pagrespetohay..
    the bible is as sweet as God knows how hehe, what's bitter really is how we deal with contradictions.

    i think all Christian denominations are united with regard to Jesus' sacrifice,death and resurrection sis.
    Generic form ha kay each one could be a member of a certain church but has a different POV.
    like how i used to disagree with some of the church practices before...till answers revealed themselves in time..haha
    a member but still questions(which is natural by the way)..
    but as far as RCC Doctrine is concerned and i think other denominations would also confirm this
    Jesus died for our sins, a sacrifice as the lamb of God,His blood for the atonement of our sins.
    i beleive there is no division in that aspect maski pa ug asa ka nga denomination.

    if i may ask, unsa diay tuod imu denomination sis? in assumption that you too are a Christian
    basing on how you discussed things with Acescream.
    Last edited by noy; 01-14-2013 at 08:39 PM.

  7. #4607
    As Christians, including Evangelicals we have so much to be grateful to Constantine for.

    "" Despite any personal defects we might attribute to Constantine, he performed one of the greatest feats of any man in history. He brought the Church out from under the yoke of oppression and allowed people to preach the gospel from the housetops which is what Christ commanded and prophesied.""

    However, let me be clear on this. He did not start the Catholic Church.

    Read on:

    Myth Buster: Constantine Founded the Catholic Church

    Did Constantine Invent Catholicism?

    The Catholic Church


    Evidence is clear that the Catholic Church has been existent at the time of Saint Ignatius of Antioch at 110 AD -- just after the death of Saint John, Jesus' beloved apostle.


    Even secular historians agree on the unique position and proof that the Catholic Church has been the only Church Jesus founded in 33 AD:

    "St. Peter, of Bethsaida in Galilee, From Christ he received the name of Cepha, an Aramaic name which means rock .Prince of the Apostles, was the first pope of the Roman Catholic Church. He lived first in Antioch and then in Rome for 25 years. In C.E. 64 or 67, he was martyred. St. Linus became the second pope." (National Almanac © 1996)

    "ROMAN CATHOLICISM The largest of the Christian denominations is the Roman Catholic church. As an institution it has existed since the 1st century AD, ...the Roman church owes its existence to the life of Jesus Christ in the 1st century AD" (Comptons Encyclopedia ©1995)

    "Roman Catholic authority rests upon a mandate that is traced to the action of Jesus Christ himself, when he invested Peter and, through Peter, his successors with the power of the keys in the church. Christ is the invisible head of his church, and by his authority the pope is the visible head." (Encyclopedia Britannica ©1999)

    "Roman Catholicism Christian church characterized by its uniform, highly developed doctrinal and organizational structure that traces its history to the Apostles of Jesus Christ in the 1st century AD." (Encyclopedia Britannica ©1999)

  8. #4608
    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    Even in other perspective, say Islam, daghan sad sila mga factions/divisions but the only thing wala sa ilaha is they dont have the freedom to express their opinions and some would even discouraged to question their belief!
    O.T.

    Dong Breakeven, gisul-an na sab ka? Wa tawon mi maglalis anang among Qur'an bahin sa description sa among God busa ayaw mi apil-apila anang inyong kalibog! In fact, every year no matter what sect in Islam, as you might say we belong, we go together in Makkah for hajj and together we chant "LABBAYIK ALLAH HUMMA LABBAYIK, LABBAYIK LA SHARIKA LAKA LABBAYIK, INNAL HAMDA WAN-NI'MATA LAKA WALMUK, LAA SHARIKA LAK" in English translation "O my Lord, here I am at Your service, There is no partner with You, here I am. Truly the praise and the provisions are Yours, and so is the dominion and sovereignty. There is no partner with You." So, nganong daghan o duna pa man question nga it is already well explained in the Qur'an and the Qur'an still have the original language with it as it is still in the time of the Prophet.

    KSP man gyud tawon ka dodong mora'g duna kay ADHD syndrome ba, sorry ha! Pag-puyo respetahi ni nga thread.
    Last edited by JcBoY; 01-15-2013 at 06:26 AM.

  9. #4609
    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    There is no perfect denominations, may it be a Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, etc.
    How can you find Truth if every interpretation contradicts one another?

    ""No Christian would argue that there is only ONE GOD, ONE CHURCH and ONE MESSAGE of salvation was given to us by Jesus Christ. Yet, nowadays we are hearing A LOT of VARYING MESSAGE of salvation being preached in churches -- and yet, we are sure that none of them, except ONE, preaches the true message of salvation.""



    Churches started by men VS The Church started by Christ himself.

  10. #4610
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    yep sakto ka, but through differences diha pud nato makita ang pagrespetohay..
    the bible is as sweet as God knows how hehe, what's bitter really is how we deal with contradictions.

    i think all Christian denominations are united with regard to Jesus' sacrifice,death and resurrection sis.
    Generic form ha kay each one could be a member of a certain church but has a different POV.
    like how i used to disagree with some of the church practices before...till answers revealed themselves in time..haha
    a member but still questions(which is natural by the way)..
    but as far as RCC Doctrine is concerned and i think other denominations would also confirm this
    Jesus died for our sins, a sacrifice as the lamb of God,His blood for the atonement of our sins.
    i beleive there is no division in that aspect maski pa ug asa ka nga denomination.

    if i may ask, unsa diay tuod imu denomination sis? in assumption that you too are a Christian
    basing on how you discussed things with Acescream.
    I belong to the Roman Catholic denomination... I was raised knowing some of the teachings of RCC which until now I still follow..

    yes 'coz that's what the church is telling us, that's what they make us believe..

    and not what I understood sa bible, although if questioned I'd still answer sa mga tubag giteach sa RC church..
    Last edited by dartzed; 01-15-2013 at 12:02 AM.

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