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    Default Re: What probable month is the birth of JESUS?


    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    Atong naandan is December 25...pero unsay mas duol sa tinuod based on the scripture?

    Was Jesus born on December 25?

    There is no evidence for this date.
    So then, who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

    The apostles in the Bible predicted that some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them. Therefore, some scholars think the church chose the date of this pagan celebration to interest them in Christianity. The pagans were already used to celebrating on this date.

    The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.

    Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iranaeus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

    John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.

    Another interesting fact comes from Elizabeth herself. She hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of Dec., 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on Sept. 29, 2 B.C. Some scholars interpret the 6 months to be in line with the Hebrew calendar or the August-September time frame. Since Mary's pregnancy commenced a little before the sixth month around July, Jesus would be born somewhere around March-June. But does it matter if Jesus was born on the spring, the fall, or on December 25? Does it matter, theologically, when Jesus was born? What do you think, does it matter what day we celebrate His birth?


    Was Jesus Born on December 25
    imong gi-unhan daan bro, ky kabalo man ka nga kwestyonable ni. heheh. defensive

    ang panguntana, nganong wa gyud nag mention ug mga birthday celebrations ni Jesus sa bible? sayon ra ta kaayo ni matubag mga pangutanaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    kung magbase ta sa giingun ni St.Luke nga pagkatao ni Jesus kay naay shepherd ug sheep sa field, mao naka ingun ta nga dili december ang kabuwanan sa pagkatao ni Jesus...dili na siya 100% accurate kay study shows that though it snows in Bethlehem...but rarely does plus dili pud cguro tanang pasture esp si hill part sa bethlehem puro snow..

    kung adto pud tas pagan2x...sure jud diay ta nga dec 25 pud to kang mithra? nga estimate raman pud to...
    and matud pang newbie kada adlaw,pagans celebrate something..so maski pag unsa nga date ma associate ug ma associate jud na ug any pagan practice...

    personally, i celebrate Christmas on the 25th of december, whether naay ma associate ana nga pagan god or dili na sakto jud nga date...I am celebrating the Birth of my Lord and Savior and mao nay importante...

    karun puro ta Christiano, maglalis ta aning gagmayng butanga...MALIPAY and atong Ginoo ani?
    mao gyud d gyud angay lalisan ang petsa; parehas ra gud nas atong birthday usahay matunong ug weekdays mao e iswag na lng ug weekend kay conflict lage sa atong trabaho, unya ganahan ka nig celebrate nmo sa imong birthday awayon kas imong bisita or mag lalis imo bisita kay d mao ang petsa sa imong pag celebrate

  3. #223

    Default Re: What probable month is the birth of JESUS?

    kamo sige mo debate about sa birthday or birth month ni Jesus, di man gani na importante para ni Jesus iyang birthday

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    kamo sige mo debate about sa birthday or birth month ni Jesus, di man gani na importante para ni Jesus iyang birthday
    How did you know ?
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  5. #225

    Default Re: What probable month is the birth of JESUS?

    nag skype cguro na silang Papa Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    imong gi-unhan daan bro, ky kabalo man ka nga kwestyonable ni. heheh. defensive

    ang panguntana, nganong wa gyud nag mention ug mga birthday celebrations ni Jesus sa bible? sayon ra ta kaayo ni matubag mga pangutanaha
    Wa man gud silay standard nga calendar sauna,, hahaha lol.. ang ilang bantayan ato ang dagan rman sa panahon wa silay idea about, 365 days in a year, 12 months per year, 24 hrs per day, 7 days a week.. ang adlaw ug ang seasons ra ilang bantayan sauna.. sa atoa kron nga time tungod sa invention sa calendar system natagaan ta ug idea nga ang adlaw mag balik2 taga tuig hence birthdays and anniversaries, sauna wa man sila ana, lol hahaha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    kamo sige mo debate about sa birthday or birth month ni Jesus, di man gani na importante para ni Jesus iyang birthday
    kanusa ang birthday ni buddha jov?

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    kanusa ang birthday ni buddha jov?
    wa gyud exact day but fullmoon sa May, mag celebrate mi sa birthday ni Buddha

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    How did you know ?
    when a person knows that he is a soul, birthdays remind him the day he was imprisoned into a physical body, so di gyud na importante para sa soul, mas di pa siya ganahan ma mention iyang birthday

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    if you have no birthday record, are you sure you exist in this planet?


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