Is morality absolute?

[3nZ0y]

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naa tingali absolute na pud relative...kana kon ato jud i compartmentalized...pero naa pud absolute karon situation pero relative na sa sad sunod...kapuya ani uya

If moingon ka og absolute, di na pwede mahimong relative. Get the contextual meaning sa absolute. If absolute ang morality then everything in it should also be absolute. If ang uban absolute ang uban relative then for short relative na (depende sa kaso, sa sala, sa gibuhat, etc).

OT: Kung kapoy, ayaw na lang og comment. Kapoy-kapoy ka og samot sa imo kaugalingon.

[andersonl]

Well, it was a custom more common during the prophet's (pbuh) time to "save" widowed women whose husband's that died in battle and support them/look after them rather than have them wander around the streets alone.

A reason why polygamy is permitted is that if a husband and wife cannot conceive and he cannot bear adopting a stranger's child, he may marry another woman (single of course) with the permission of his first wife. He has to be able to treat them equally, so if he gives his first wife a 20K ring, he must give the 2nd a 20K ring too :P

It is a belief amongst Christians that polygamy goes against natural law...but really? What about polygamy practiced in the Old Testament? This is a good read Polygamy in Islam, Monogamy, Bigamy, Multiple Wifes, Polygamous, Mistress, Family Planning

The Quran mentions permission of marrying up to four wives however, is the only scripture in the world that says "marry only one". It was later that the Hindu Priests and Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

Taken from an article on Women's Rights http://www.al-islam.org/womanrights/11.htm:
Courteous behaviour towards woman is the main part of the chivalry which the Europeans learnt from the Muslims. It was Islam, and not the religion of Christ, as is believed by the common people, that enhanced the position of woman.

thanks for that share. although I still have my preference set on monogamy, I have a better respect now for those who practice polygamy.
would shortage of men also account for the justification of polygamy?

share ko brod. sa akong pagsabot ani, kato rang naay ikakaya ug palit ug pila ka asawa maoy makabenefit ana nga arrangement. kung ikaw pobre nga pagkamuslim, no chance maka obtain.

sayun ra kaayu ni tubagon.
ang katong naay ikakaya kay naningkamot.
ang katong walay ikakaya aw syempre possible nga BISAG ISA KA ASAWA DI NIYA KAYA IPABUHI.
syempre pre-requisite jud na nga kaabot imu income sa pag supporta sa pamilya. ngano gud mag tuga2x tag minyo(bisag usa lang) kung di nato kaya ma supporta? wala may unfair diri. naa rana nimo kung maningkamot ka o di.

[newbie.86]

sorry double post

[newbie.86]

@ LaBelleza: I would like to correct some incorrect assertions you have made:

It is a belief amongst Christians that polygamy goes against natural law...but really? What about polygamy practiced in the Old Testament? This is a good read Polygamy in Islam, Monogamy, Bigamy, Multiple Wifes, Polygamous, Mistress, Family Planning

From the Christian vantage point, polygamy does not go against natural law. Polygyny does, so is gay marriage which Christians consider to be against natural law. St Thomas Aquinas has made good arguments about this in his Summa Theologicae.

He argues:

""With respect to characteristics man shares with other animals, polygamy is not contrary to the natural law,

while with respect to the nature proper to man as an animal endowed with reason, it (polygamy) is (against natural law)."" <emphasis is mine>

You can also read Summa contra Gentiles 3.124 for an extensive point by point explanation of this assertion.

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The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6.
In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.

Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.

The 10th Commandment ‘… You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife [singular] …’ (Exodus 20:17) also presupposes the ideal that there is only one wife. Polygamy is expressly forbidden for church elders (1 Tim. 3:2). And this is not just for elders, because Paul also wrote: ‘each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.’ Paul goes on to explain marital duties in terms that make sense only with one husband to one wife.

The example of godly people is also important. Isaac and Rebekah were monogamous—they are often used as a model in Jewish weddings today. Other examples were Joseph and Asenath, and Moses and Zipporah. And the only survivors of the Flood were four monogamous couples.""

Also, remember that all things that are recorded in the Torah / Bible does not mean they are approved.

"" Consider where polygamy originated—first in the line of the murderer Cain, not the line of Seth. The first recorded polygamist was the murderer Lamech (Gen. 4:23–24). Then Esau, who despised his birthright, also caused much grief to his parents by marrying two pagan wives .""

[newbie.86]

The Quran mentions permission of marrying up to four wives however, is the only scripture in the world that says "marry only one". It was later that the Hindu Priests and Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

This is again is FALSE. You dont have to equate Christianity to Hinduism because both are different. Christianity adheres only to monogamy, while Hinduism is a hodge-podge of religious beliefs with varying moral codes according to each cult.

Marriage in Hinduism could range from monogamy, polygamy, polyandry, gay marriage, and ritual marriage to animals. Being a Hindu could be monotheistic, pantheistic or even atheistic.

Hindu man marries a dog

Man and his Wife, the dog at their wedding ceremony

[newbie.86]

Courteous behaviour towards woman is the main part of the chivalry which the Europeans learnt from the Muslims. It was Islam, and not the religion of Christ, as is believed by the common people, that enhanced the position of woman.

Again, another FALSEHOOD.

Chivalry originated from the Germanic tribes who sacked Rome during the Fall of Rome in the third century. Later, these codes of behavior were incorporated into Western Christianity and was codified by the bishops during the Early Middle Ages esp. in 1000 AD.

Chivalry was ingrained in European society long before Muhammad created Islam in the 7th century.

""By the year 1000 churchmen such as Bishop Adalbero of Laon had divided Christian society into three orders based upon function:

First estate: those who pray (for us), or the Clergy
Second Estate: those who fight (for us), or the Nobility
Third Estate: those who work (for us) or the Peasants

The second of these "orders" (or "estates," as they were to be called in France in 1789) was the knighthood/nobility."" This is the basis of European ancien regime until the Reign of Terror in September 1798 in France.

It is again, FALSE to say that ""not the religion of Christ, as is believed by the common people, that enhanced the position of woman"" is indeed, FALSE. Basic history tells us that Christ and the early church have high regard for women and they even held positions of power in the Early Church.


Just an obervation...
Islamic women have far MORE RIGHTS when living in a Christian society, than when they are living in Islamic society.

And a question:
Why is it that Islamic women have LESS RIGHTS, MORE RESTRICTIONS in a Muslim country?
Are they supposed to be equal and deserve the same FREEDOM as men?


See also:

Origins of European Chivalry: Germanic Goths
Ancient cultures and chivalry: The Scythians


The Knight and the Lady

[Breakeven]

nice point @newbie

[newbie.86]

the statement by a relativist, " Morality is relative" is indeed, relative. It could not be true because if it is, it will be an absolute or dogma which will contradict the statement.