HEAVEN & HELL or REINCARNATION? what is your belief

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

Questions about reincarnation:

1) Is it possible that ang taw nga bisan unsa ka datu in this life, say Queen Elizabeth kung example bati iyang binuhatan, mo reincarnate sya sa taga Africa in the next life?

2) Is it also possible to any famous celebrities like Brad Pitt, Kim K. kung bati ilang binuhatan, mobalik sila pagka OK2?

what;s your rational idea on this?

wa lagi ni nimo gitubag bro?

freewill napud sa parents? sunod ani, kinsa na pud nga freewill?

we are talking about the person being born, particularly, ang natawo nga pobre. not nga unsa inig ka human niya pagkatawo. nganong wa man siyay choice nga matawo siya ug dato nga pamilya?

sa pagkatawo pa lng ni atong giistoryahan, and not after mag-unsa siya after natawo.

mao na giingon bai, ignorance of the law excuses no one. bisan pa ug kita wa ta kabalo nga tinood or di tinood ang universal laws, applicable gihapon na nato ky that is the law the gives order to the universe. ni state lng ko ani, but it cannot be proven to you, to be honest lng.

but mao lng ni akong masulti, almost all the great people in history study and knows these universal laws and applied them to their lives and then they became great philosophers, conquerors, prophets, inventors, discoverers, saints, tycoons, magnates etc.

2 of them that go together are law of karma and law of reincarnation, if a person knows the workings of these laws, he can prepare for your next life, accumulate good karmas, never commit bad karmas, and then enjoy next life, sometimes, even the current life. If a person want to become a great musician, practice now, and it will continue later. naa bitaw daghan child prodigy, but again, this is not the evidence of reincarnation. it would be personal experience, by the time a person remembers his past lives, then and only then he can prove that reincarnation is true. there are so many sources in the internet about reincarnation. that's why i asked you those questions bec in the law of reincarnation, you are the one who choose your next life by doing good in the current life. if bad, mao na naglisod dayon or naay kapansanan, if good, hayahay pud.

sa imong questions, these are just my opinions:
1. that is possible as stated in the law of karma and law of reincarnation
2. how can he learn more about his wrongdoings, kung mahimo siya nga ok-ok, dapat human gihapon

[Breakeven]

@jovs
mao na giingon bai, ignorance of the law excuses no one. bisan pa ug kita wa ta kabalo nga tinood or di tinood ang universal laws, applicable gihapon na nato ky that is the law the gives order to the universe. ni state lng ko ani, but it cannot be proven to you, to be honest lng.

but mao lng ni akong masulti, almost all the great people in history study and knows these universal laws and applied them to their lives and then they became great philosophers, conquerors, prophets, inventors, discoverers, saints, tycoons, magnates etc.

okay part, thanks for sharing.
i maybe ignorant of the universal law that you mention, thus i am not great Jesus' example is this....

Our attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2
Who, being in very nature^a God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,but made himself nothing, taking the very nature^b of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross!

Its the same law possessed by Nimrod (building of the tower of babel), Pharaoh (slavery of israel) as well as the great Roman Empire who killed Jesus.

If indeed it is goodness and widely accepted to be a Universal law, nganong wala mana giapil ug tudlo in our Universities? care to share more about it here?


I cannot accept taht mahimo tang OK2 balik kung magdinautan ta in this life. Walay mga killer, kawatan, rapist, etc...ma attract ana nga concept

expected na diay to sa mga members sa pamilya nila ex:echegaray, kinsa tong mayor nang rape? and others if they were a buddhist.

If he has knowledge of his past lives and have the ability to think then why not chose the best life? like magpahimo kang anak ni Kate ug Prince William.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

@jovs

okay part, thanks for sharing. But i cannot accept taht mahimo tang OK2 balik kung magdinautan ta in this life. Walay mga killer, kawatan, rapist, etc...ma attract ana nga concept

expected na diay to sa mga members sa pamilya nila ex:echegaray, kinsa tong mayor nang rape? and others if they were a buddhist.

If he has knowledge of his past lives and have the ability to think then why not chose the best life? like magpahimo kang anak ni Kate ug Prince William.

pwede kaayo bai, that is why kato ra nakasabot sa universal laws, kasagaran, makapili ug nindot nga life sa next. pero naay question, ang problem, usahay kung pagkatao dato na kaayo na daan, makalimot pud sa Ginoo, magbuhat ug di maayo, unya para nila Ginoo na sila ky kwartahan lagi. then inig kadugayan bayad karma then maglisod, ma pobre

usahay makaingon pud ta nga, maayo diay nga pobre ra ko, gitudlu-an ko about sa Ginoo, naningkamot ko nga mu asenso ko, pagkadato nako, ni share ko sa mga tao, ky kabalo baya ko unsa ang pobre nga kinabuhi based on my experience, then wa gyud ko nakalimot sa Ginoo

kung gusto ko musician ko next life, butang ta 60 years old nako karon, mao pa akong pagsugod, mahay mahay ky nganong wa ko nag start pagkabata nako, but i realized nga ang akong pamilya di diay hilig ug music. so praktis ko ug sugod kung di man mahuman, next life na ipadayon, with the Grace of God, mahimo kong anak of great musicians

[Breakeven]

i respect your views part. But it wont make sense para nako ngadto sa usa ka himabaye sorry kung naay himabaye diri ha? hhehehe....like kung mao na iyang kinaiya nya kinsa may ganahan magchange kung iyang goal sa kinabuhi is to gain more chix in the next life? unsa may mahitabo sa morality? but try to apply the Christian worldview, diba ang taw kung makasabot sya that he is accountable of his actions and one day will be judged, diba makahunahuna pa sya ug tarung coz probably anytime mamatay sya.

The fact is, we only have this single lifetime......sa ako lang nahinumduman ug nahibaw-an, wala nay lain, what if the bible and what Jesus said is true?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

i respect your views part. But it wont make sense para nako ngadto sa usa ka himabaye sorry kung naay himabaye diri ha? hhehehe....like kung mao na iyang kinaiya nya kinsa may ganahan magchange kung iyang goal sa kinabuhi is to gain more chix in the next life? unsa may mahitabo sa morality? but try to apply the Christian worldview, diba ang taw kung makasabot sya that he is accountable of his actions and one day will be judged, diba makahunahuna pa sya ug tarung coz probably anytime mamatay sya.

The fact is, we only have this single lifetime......sa ako lang nahinumduman ug nahibaw-an, wala nay lain, what if the bible and what Jesus said is true?

unsa man kaha ang mahimo nya next life? para makasabot siya maybe, babae na siya then mahitabo sa iya ang gibuhat nya sa babae in this lifetime. sa imong example, it is more on the negative side ha, how about kung mo focus ta sa mga positive nagbuhat ba ka ron ug maayo para sa katawhan ug sa imong pamilya, then next life would be a good life

kasabot pud ko sa christian view, magbuhat ug maayo, then one day, will be judged inig kamatay. pwede pud na siya, there is nothing wrong gyud with being good. ang problem usahay lng, di kaagwanta ang tao mubuhat ug di maayo, thinking nga maybe, di pa ko mamatay tomorrow, buhaton sa ko ni, then after ani, i'll be good na, last na lng gyud pakasala, sa kanta pa ni max surban, "d na gyud ko muusab, ika usa na lng", cge ingon last na lng gyud, mura bitaw ug gi trick ang Ginoo, nga God sorry na sa akong sayop gahapon, anyway, naa koy gitabangan karon. matintal pud ang tawo ug buhat ug di maayo, i base on judgement day nga wa siya kabalo kung when

sa law of karma and law of reincarnation, kada moment sa iyang life buhat siya ug maayo knowing nga naay karma sa iyang gipangbuhat, di na siya mubuhat ug di maayo unya kada moment gyud na, wai gihuwat, diha diha dayon, plus you don't wait another person or God to judge, ikaw na mismo ang judge sa imong kaugalingon

but i respect what you believe, if you feel that you only have a single lifetime, as long as you happy with it, don't change anything that can make you sad. i think the Bible is true and what Jesus said is true, for me lng ha, naa lng gyud seguro similar interpretation, but that i don't know. maybe the current interpretations are correct.

[Bears Grill]

naa tas pilipinas ana bears, si apollo quiboloy-claimed to be the appointed Son of man...and according to the bible,and pinaka last nga mu claim as messiah will be the antiChrist..

Si Quiboloy diay ang antichrist. Bahak ba nimo oi. Kung imo sad pangutan-on si Quiboloy, ang Pope maoy antichrist.

as what Jesus said on the book of mark 13:21-23
"At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time."

@noy, let me tell you something. This "antichrist" name-calling has been around throughout history. Protestants and Catholics used to go back-and-forth in this preoccupation. Protestants, like Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, and Cotton Mather, identified the Roman Papacy as the Antichrist. Kay mao lagi, ang Pope refers to himself as Vicarius Christi (the substitute of Christ on earth). And that self-proclamation matched Biblical prophecy of the antichrist. On the Catholic side, if it's not those "damned Protestants", it's the Jews or the Muslims.

In my opinion, this antichrist name-calling is nothing more than an attempt to demonize a person or a group of people. It's no more different than Christians during the Middle Ages who were branding people as heretics and witches and burning them at the stake. I think it's sad and it's dangerous that people are obsessed with these nonsense. How many apocalyptic prophecies have failed throughout history? Too many to count. And despite that, this favorite Christian pastime of predicting the rapture, antichrist, and what-nots still continues. Some things just do not have boundaries. Sometimes I do wish Jesus would really come back and set things straight before Christians or Muslims start killing people in God's name...correction: they've been at it for ages.

In the words of a Bob Dylan song entitled With God on Our Side:

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war

[noy]

Still OT, but I can't help but pry your brain on this one. Just need your opinion.

I agree with you that Genesis is not supposed to be taken literally. But I don't know why you're using the order of creation in Genesis as basis to confirm with the evidence of the fossil record. Here's my question. You say plants and animals were created first and then humans came last. Were all the non-human animals created all at once? Or did the different species pop into existence at various intervals? What about bacteria and viruses? Did God created these organisms? As for humans, God created Adam and Eve as the first human couple and they gave birth to Cain and Abel. In Genesis, after the eviction from Eden, it says "Cain settled in the land of Nod had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son." Who was Cain's wife? There was only one female character in the beginning.

As you can see, in a creationist paradigm, you'll be hard-pressed to explain whether widespread incest was the norm at the beginning. You'll be hard-pressed to explain how a nuclear family could survive and multiply, given the dangers from predators in the wild, not to mention poisonous plants and animals. It's hard to imagine three people in a survival situation with no training whatsoever nor medical knowledge. Did God give them the initial training?

My opinion. If people really probed thoroughly into the creationist's story, the creationists will be squirming in their chairs and explaining them away with wild speculations. The Bible is not a science book. The origin of man is not to be found there literally.

haha!!murag mabuang jud ko ug reason with you diring dapita...
but i'll try with what i got..using every tool necessary..hehe

as to not taking the Book of Genesis literally..

i'd like to say that my stand about creation
is i believe that the bible illustrates the general form of creation which of course do not contain details such as How the universe and the earth were technically created.
example in the book of Genesis1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.(not even sure i the heaven it refers is the galaxy or the constillation of stars and the earth it refers is the actual planet earth we live,possible that the verse simply refers to the space,the black whole...because of the following verse...Genesis 1:2
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters
(according to some discovery that a body of water is just floateing in space..see link:Scientists Discover The Oldest, Largest Body Of Water In Existence--In Space | Fast Company)
then in Gen 1:3
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
-this phase could be the actual creation of the stars,this is where the big bang or the nudge would fall..the birth of the constillations,galaxies...
and of course it is also very possible that it didn't happen in just a click..
The process could be very Long) and possibly the forming of our solar system as well..
then gen1:4
God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
--this could be the phase where planets started to revolve around sun.

so to conclude my stand in reconciling bible and science
is that the bible contains the gereral information of the Creation
where sciece is the process to give the details behind it.

best example would be...because i am hungry so i will cook sizzling gambas...(bible)..the process in between or the details about how gambas is cooked(the scientific theory of creation or science itself).

in the course of cooking Gambas,we might mistake the dish for something else,like another dish or somehting not related at all...
that's how i see the gap of science and what the bible says...
as the dish(gambaz) is not finished yet so is the discovery of science..

regarding bacteria,it could have been formed when God created the first life form whatever it was.
the bible tells that God created the sea creatures first..
studies show that a bacteria can live in oceans.

in the case of evolution, i solely believe that it is true and bacterias do evolved. mao btaw nang ptumaron tag anti-biotic dapat humanon jud nato ang as 7 days depende sa priscription kay bacterias have the tendencies to be imuned with the antibiotic..which is a clear illustration of evoltion diba?
remember the example i set in my previous posts? where 6 evolved out of 10?bacterias may evolved into something else...but that is not a guarantee
that every living thing today comes from bacteria?if ever it is one of the scientific facts we have today..perhaps the "gambas isn't finished yet" or we ought to dig more..

with regard to cain's wife...
it is possible that cain's wife would either be his sister of his niece..
cain killed abel..but 3rd son was still alive(seth) so it's possible that seth or another brother married one of their sisters...then cain took his niece as his wife
as it was concluded that adam had other children as well...
In Genesis 5:4 we read a statement that sums up the life of Adam and Eve: “After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.”
During their lives, Adam and Eve had a number of male and female children. In fact, the Jewish historian Josephus wrote, “The number of Adam’s children, as says the old tradition, was thirty-three sons and twenty-three daughters.”
link:Cain

regarding survival instincts of mankind, it has been proven to be extra ordinary..there are people even living in the arctic areas diba?
naa man ganiy amerikano sa una nga nag dispatcher for 21b jeepneys...tuod man naglisud, pero survive gihapun...
even sa mga bukid2x where we thought nga walay nagpuyo...we can only assume..but no one really knows...basin naay namuyo...
like mga bata sa bukid..dili mahadlok ug has,pero kita maski dili poisonous nga has,perti natong lisanga...mao nay giingun nga depende ras anad...people also has the ability to adapt.

bears, i believe in evolution,it is clearly proven in almost everywhere..
i believe humans evolve too...by this i mean evolved in the sense that we can adapt with our envorenment..with the climate,even different human races might be a product of evolution..but not in the sense that we came from something else...
with our capability of to Love,rationalize,compromise,and to sacrifice,sense or morality?
it seems like someone intentionally formed us.
and if adam and eve the first man and woman did came from another specie...surely after million of years...naa napud untay lain nga tao nga ni evolve lang...or sa atong age karun...naa na unta tay chimpz or the like nga nakita nga murag padung na mahimung tao...
i mean no doubt in due time, science can answer the HOW,but there is this WHY question that needs to be answered as well...

in the solar system, why earth is the only life sustaining planet...
a study was even showed that the earth is just about its right distance from the sun..as it will burn if it will be a degree closer and will freez if a little further..
like why human beings continue to long for eternity?eternity in the sense that we would always want to increase and imrpove...
like after reaching the said highest goal, we always find ourselves wanting more....like why are we even here?are we just here to study,argue?to reason..discover then die?is that all this life can offer?
what happens to that longing then if death is the end of us?
if death really is the end of life, then what is the purpose of that longing within us?

HOW is much easier to answer than WHY...
in time,science might be able to answer how everything that there is to know came to place...but WHY?

PS..pasayloa tawn mi ni bears if OT mi...naglami jud ang istorya..hahaha

[noy]

Si Quiboloy diay ang antichrist. Bahak ba nimo oi. Kung imo sad pangutan-on si Quiboloy, ang Pope maoy antichrist.




@noy, let me tell you something. This "antichrist" name-calling has been around throughout history. Protestants and Catholics used to go back-and-forth in this preoccupation. Protestants, like Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, and Cotton Mather, identified the Roman Papacy as the Antichrist. Kay mao lagi, ang Pope refers to himself as Vicarius Christi (the substitute of Christ on earth). And that self-proclamation matched Biblical prophecy of the antichrist. On the Catholic side, if it's not those "damned Protestants", it's the Jews or the Muslims.

In my opinion, this antichrist name-calling is nothing more than an attempt to demonize a person or a group of people. It's no more different than Christians during the Middle Ages who were branding people as heretics and witches and burning them at the stake. I think it's sad and it's dangerous that people are obsessed with these nonsense. How many apocalyptic prophecies have failed throughout history? Too many to count. And despite that, this favorite Christian pastime of predicting the rapture, antichrist, and what-nots still continues. Some things just do not have boundaries. Sometimes I do wish Jesus would really come back and set things straight before Christians or Muslims start killing people in God's name...correction: they've been at it for ages.

In the words of a Bob Dylan song entitled With God on Our Side:

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war

hahaha! dili oi...dili na cla maoy antichrist bears...
the antichrist is yet to riegn...wala ta kahibaw kung maka abut ba ta ana niya...
He will rise as the perfect leader of all nations(that explains why many will be decieved)

well early christian(for whatever sect it may be) had our share with idiocracy...
and sadly some turned out to be fanatics...but that is part of church history bears...
i think what the pope said if not taken literally has a point...
after all,Christians or all Christians should be a substitute of Christ to those who do not know Christ yet(to act as a shepherd)
a substitute of Christ to other church member(accountability and responsibility)
where we should constantly try to imitate Christ but not be Christ..
but if a person would literally say He is Christ, then mag high-five clang quiboloy ug kadtong koreano ana...

there is a consipiracy about the antichrist that have been widely spread throughout the Christian community...

--soon in the days to come,in the great day of tirbulation..this man(AC)
will be very influential and rise in power as somehow He would gain full authority over all things..nation and their people..
in revelations 13.it has been prophesied in the bible that he(AC) will cause all people,great and small,rich and poor...to recieve a mark as no one would be able to buy and sell..by the time he reigns
mark of the beast, which is 666..
obviously walay tao nga ganahan magpa mark ug 666 oi...unless ipa agi ug good propaganda...
example is the implanting of chip nga karun ginapatupad sa US...(im not saying nga 666 na na siya ha...but it is a forerunner of whatever system may come to gain full control on people)
chip to be implanted for convinience...naa na didto imu GOVT issued IDs,bank account, tanan tanan...and not only it is convinient for us but also for the one who is to Reign in the new world order, so that he can gain control...
the bible teaches about wars ahead of us on that great day...
as of course, there are countries who would oppose a one world one government order...
the bible teaches about the perfection of the church,,
kung sa una magpinatyanay ang catholic ug protestants..karun naghinay-hinay na cla ug kahiusa...naay nay non-denominational christians...naay nay ecuminism where a sect is no longer important but the Christian faith itself...
since di man maka buy ug sell ang mga walay mark, walay record sa system..therefore mahimu clang outcast
rebelde an enemy of the state..
it is also written that he(AC) will execute those who disobey him
once He gains the power and full control...

and the fate of some christians will be that of the early Christians(martyrdom)...
and it is in this time that the 2nd coming of Jesus will be fulfilled
to save those who are faithful even in those terrible days...to raise up those who have slept.and to declare judgement.

basaha nalang ang revelation bears, naa man nuon na did tanan..hehehe..
again those are just interpretations ha...you may wanna check online/christian sites regarding this conspiracy...perhaps wou'll get a better explanation..

and again, si quiboloy is jus quiboloy...apointed son of man paman gani daw siya...i'm pretty sure he's not the AC..hehehe...
but he certainly is one of the many false prophets that Jesus was referring to...
sorry quiboloy and all his followers...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Ladies and gents ,

Pwerting pagka OT .

Discuss only HEAVEN , HELL and REINCARNATION .

[Bears Grill]

@noy, I'll reply in the reverse order, starting with your comprehensive antichrist exposition.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...mas maayo cguro kung fundamentalist Protestant na lang ka, given your interpretation of all these antichrist mumbo jumbo. Haven't you read St. Augustine? My goodness, Catholic man unta ka, unya fundamentalist kaayo ka ug understanding. I find it ironic that I, who used to be a practicing Catholic, will be the one to teach you about St. Augustine's view on this matter. Believe you me, I have more Catholic education than you do and I've read the Bible from cover to cover. And yes, the Book of Revelation is one of those I've read...in horror. If you take it literally, you'd say that they're the writings of a madman. Tsk, tsk, tsk...anyway, I'll do the St. Augustine interpretation as a favor to you.

St. Augustine says that this antichrist reference can only be constructive rather than destructive (e.g. when it leads to the persecution of rival religions), if only we look to ourselves rather than to others we deem 'evil'. This was the message of St. Augustine, an early church father in 5th century A.D. When St. Augustine preached to his congregation about the antichrist, he says that each of you must question whether YOU are an antichrist....whether YOU pretend to be a Christian but really aren't a Christian and are really acting against the meaning of Christ and Christ's love.

The Bible can either be read in an enlightened way or in a mischievous way. How you read it actually reflects upon your maturity. Tell that to the next fundamentalist you come across. Thanks.