HEAVEN & HELL or REINCARNATION? what is your belief

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Is common sense in born OR is it Develop/Influenced?

i think its developed and partially influenced.

[kit_cebu]

@kit

Kinsa tong doubtful about it? we can try.....hhehheheh.

i'm sure as you think there's a god....

[Breakeven]

Wrong. Read Kenneth Miller's explanation on Chromosome No. 2 which provides an astonishing evidence for the human-ape common ancestry. Read Francis Collins' books. Asa Gray was one of Darwin's supporters. Fisher and Dobzhansky created the modern evolutionary synthesis, which is an expansion of Darwin's theory (not a rejection). All these names I've mentioned accept Darwin's Theory, including its implications on human-ape common ancestry. It's sheer disrespect on these people by making them take a position they don't agree on. Puro ni sila ANTI-CREATIONISTS!

So Richard Feynman is evil. Bertrand Russell is evil? Carl Sagan is evil? Isaac Asimov is evil? These people lack a belief in God, but that does not make them evil. Honestly, I'd rather hang out with Feynman and Russell than bigots like Pat Robertson or Ted Haggard or Kent Hovind.

Okay. Whatever you believed, imoha sad na. But it's not always true.
Francis Collins, a christian, unya anti-creationist? i dont know some of them.

Bertand Russell? i quote this one from RZIM....quite funny though

At one point in the debate, Copleston said,” Mr. Russell, you do believe in good and bad, don’t you?” Russell answered, “Yes, I do.” “ How do you differentiate between them?” challenged Copleston. Russell shrugged his shoulders, as he was wont to do in philosophical dead ends for him and said, “ The same way I differentiate yellow and blue.” Copleston graciously responded and said, “ But Mr Russell, you differentiate between yellow and blue by seeing, don’t you? How do you differentiate between good and bad?” Russell, with all his genius still within reach, gave the most vapid answer he could have given: “On the basis of feeling-what else?” I must confess, Mr Copleston was a kindlier gentleman than many others. The appropriate “logical kill” for the moment would have been, “Mr Russell, in some cultures they love their neighbours, in other cultures they eat them, both on the basis of feeling. Do you have any preference?”

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I dont think you understand what you are saying
More tolerant or more immoral? why youre always using the word "BS" if your morality is getting better, more understanding and tolerant?



Try to understand the subject why it happend like that. Kani lang akong mahatag nga clue, imong parents parehas ba ang pagdala when you were a child (bunalan, disiplinahon) until karon nga naminyo naka (if married)?

I use the word BS because its the perfect word for the situation without prejudice.

simply put that morality evolves overtime depending on the society, its a natural process.,
you dont do/believe things that are no longer applicable.
like what I said the rules of Leviticus.

What is true today may no longer be true tomorrow.

[Breakeven]

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nganong naabot man ka ug freewill? you mean to say freewill sa tao to be born in a very poor family?

Resulta na sa freewill sa iyang parents. Kung unsa imong achievement karon of course will affect sa imong progeny. Wala man sai case tingali nga mataw nga datu dretso ang usa ka bata...Ang will sa ginoo diha is taht gipakataw nga buhi, sa parents nga pinoy, etc....But the success in life, bunga na sa atong binuhatan inubanan sa guidance sa ginoo. make sure lang that it is not through evil means.

nganong maabot man ta kung nalipay ba ang Ginoo? ang atong gi istoryahan diri is about sa tao nga matawo ug very poor family. kung apilon nato ang Ginoo ana, kung gipakatawo niya ang tao sa pobre nga pamilya, Wa Siya nalipay nganon iya tong gibuhat, dapat sa dato nga pamilya? mao ba?

Because of what we call "grace" nagpadayon ang pagsustain nya sa kinabuhi. Do you think magpabilin nga pobre ang taw hangtud sa hangtud kung fair lang pagkadala ang kalibutan?

Naapil na pud si Satan, kung makatubag pa siya moingon gyud nga "Ayaw ko ug apil apila ana ha, ayaw tawon ko ninyo pasanginli"

hehehh....dili kaha sya kaingon part "dont play with me kay ala-ot jud ka in the end?"

kung naapil si Satan, ang mga maayo pagkahimutang sa Ginoo to, unya ang dili kang Satanas pero naay pagboot sa Ginoo? mao ba?

Dili sad. Daghan man datu nga mga nagtuo sa ginoo ug maayo ang kinabuhi daghan sad pobre nga bisan sa ilang kalisud, magbugal-bugal pa jud sa ginoo and vice versa....

[Breakeven]

I use the word BS because its the perfect word for the situation without prejudice.

simply put that morality evolves overtime depending on the society, its a natural process.,
you dont do/believe things that are no longer applicable.
like what I said the rules of Leviticus.

What is true today may no longer be true tomorrow.

Really? Do you mean these things are now applicable?

1) Thou shall not Kill
2) Thou shall not steal
3) Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
4) Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife
5) Thou shall commit adultery, etc,,,etc..

You mean the minor commandments siguro...but the major ones dili jud pwede coz those were the very foundation of any society in order to exists and live in harmony.

I cannot live a situation where these things are acceptable. You know, we've fallen from the trap of Satan if twisted na atong thinking about morality. Always remember his goal is to destroy creation....twist morality....rebel against God.

Let us be wise and find ways atong mabawi....

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

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Resulta na sa freewill sa iyang parents. Kung unsa imong achievement karon of course will affect sa imong progeny. Wala man sai case tingali nga mataw nga datu dretso ang usa ka bata...Ang will sa ginoo diha is taht gipakataw nga buhi, sa parents nga pinoy, etc....But the success in life, bunga na sa atong binuhatan inubanan sa guidance sa ginoo. make sure lang that it is not through evil means.



Because of what we call "grace" nagpadayon ang pagsustain nya sa kinabuhi. Do you think magpabilin nga pobre ang taw hangtud sa hangtud kung fair lang pagkadala ang kalibutan?



hehehh....dili kaha sya kaingon part "dont play with me kay ala-ot jud ka in the end?"



Dili sad. Daghan man datu nga mga nagtuo sa ginoo ug maayo ang kinabuhi daghan sad pobre nga bisan sa ilang kalisud, magbugal-bugal pa jud sa ginoo

freewill napud sa parents? sunod ani, kinsa na pud nga freewill?

we are talking about the person being born, particularly, ang natawo nga pobre. not nga unsa inig ka human niya pagkatawo. nganong wa man siyay choice nga matawo siya ug dato nga pamilya?

sa pagkatawo pa lng ni atong giistoryahan, and not after mag-unsa siya after natawo.

[ejboi]

para sa ako noh??. What we call EARTH is the "HELL" kay naa tanang kabuang sa atong kalibutan

[Bears Grill]

Bertand Russell? i quote this one from RZIM....quite funny though

At one point in the debate, Copleston said,” Mr. Russell, you do believe in good and bad, don’t you?” Russell answered, “Yes, I do.” “ How do you differentiate between them?” challenged Copleston. Russell shrugged his shoulders, as he was wont to do in philosophical dead ends for him and said, “ The same way I differentiate yellow and blue.” Copleston graciously responded and said, “ But Mr Russell, you differentiate between yellow and blue by seeing, don’t you? How do you differentiate between good and bad?” Russell, with all his genius still within reach, gave the most vapid answer he could have given: “On the basis of feeling-what else?” I must confess, Mr Copleston was a kindlier gentleman than many others. The appropriate “logical kill” for the moment would have been, “Mr Russell, in some cultures they love their neighbours, in other cultures they eat them, both on the basis of feeling. Do you have any preference?”

I'm sure if that question was put forth, Bertrand Russell would've his own "logical kill".

It's ironic how Theists often like to say that our moral compass is within us...that we "FEEL" this moral compass pulling us one way or the other, as if telling us what is right and wrong. And when Bertrand Russell says, "on the basis of feeling," the Theist would contradict themselves and cite the example of a cannibal's feelings towards his neighbor.

Unsa man diay ang insaktong basis for right and wrong? The Bible? Don't trust your feelings, just trust the Bible? Irrelevant na diay ang imong feelings, imong moral compass?

Exodus 31:14 says:
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death. for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Do you seriously think we should trust the Bible on that?

I noticed a lot of these bigoted fundamentalists are very hateful. It's ironic how we used to think that the more one reads his Bible or Koran and follows it to the letter, the more moral he becomes. The evidence just doesn't bear out. History is littered with the blood that's spilled by fanaticism.

[necrotic freak]

mao naka nindot aning mga atheists kay suhito kaayo ug bible.