Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

[Mandirigma]

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no im not a pastor. kasabot ko sa imong punto but dili man maghuman bisan unsaon ug explain both sides kay wala naman ta kaabot unsa jud ang panghitabo during the time of Jesus. I am not a scholar so i have nothing more to say about this. Lisud sad kung walay basis ang foundation sa atong religion.

What early manuscripts exist today?

walay perfect nga religion, only the perfect Son of God whom we trusted for our salvation.

bai if we claim something like "the bible is inerrant" dapat andam ta mo defend ana. di lang kay e dismiss as "wa tay mahimo kay wa ta didto sa panahon ni Jesus" kay kung mao na ang rason nato aw di pod diay ta sure kong sakto ba ni ang naa sa bible kay wa man ta kabalo unsay sakto nga panghitabo sa panahon ni Hesus so mahug ni nga koro koro ang atong pagtoo.

see mao lagi ni ang usual toabg nga akong madawat, mga vague nga tobag.

unsaon man nato pagtudlo sa tao kong mao na nga kita gani mismo wa ta kabalo kong unsay tobag or wa tay mahatag nga accurate nga response?

di man si Jesus atong issue diri bro ang mga manuscripts man. if we say nga inerrant ang bible? nganong naa may mga tawgon ta lang og inaccuracies or differences in translation og daghang dili identical ng mga manuscripts?

kung guided pa sila sa Holy Spirit then nganong daghan man ang mga variations?

mao ni akong pasabot bai sa first post nako regarding mga hard questions nga di kaayo nato ipangutana sa church and seldom kaayo e discuss sa pulpit.

dili puede nga tobagon lang nato sama sa imong pagtobag diri karon, vague kaayo.

let's be honest and confront these questions. kosog kaayo ta mowali sa oban about truth or kosog kaayo ta mo confront sa obang tao nga FACE THE TRUTH nya kong kita nay ipa FACE THE TRUTH vague kaayo atong tobag.

[defender_1611]

so unsa may stand nimo ani?

ang ponto nako ani bro is nganong di man klaro? if guided ni sa Holy Spirit nganong lain lain man ang pagka translate? di na nato ni malikayan bai og di na nato ni malimod nga duna jud lahi lahi nga translation.

nganu man mag study paman ta ug hebrew ug greek since the we have a bible translated in english? mao ni akong permi masugatan bro they correct the word of God. according to 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJB) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God....." kay kana gikan na sa Ginoo nganu ato paman na e question ang iyang pulong? kani nindot ni na topic masukod jud akong pagka defender ani. hehehehe. kanang imong gi ingon na religious bias tinuod kay since ang manuscript gi manipulate nana sa taw ang uban mga scholars kay ga himo himo sila ug ilang kaugalingong manuscripts. Kay kung muingon tag manuscripts bro perti jud daghana klase ana.....But usa ra ang manuscripts na wala jud tatsa bro mao na ang "Textus Receptus or Receive Text. Diha na manuscripts gikan gi translate ang King James Bible bro which mao na akong gi defend for a long time. If you compare The King James Bible to any other translations makita jud nimo ang buslot bro ug makita pod nimo na kinsay nilutaw nga tinuod.

[defender_1611]

I made this with an intention of bringing out to the light what most of us are afraid to admit . We don't talk much about it, like in my church I seldom hear people talk about this. Our pastors or priests avoid serving this kind of topic in their respective pulpit. There are few I heard but presents only the Christian apologists point of view and barely mentions the side that questions the validity of biblical inerrancy.

So this place serves as a platform for us to discuss both sides, and pls let us be honest. The bible has errors I mean the bible that we have now not the autographs. There are words that were manipulated by some scholars who are bias to their own theological affiliation.

here is one example...

Matthew 6:11------------> "give us this day our _________ bread"

is it "DAILY" or something else? let's examine the greek. The word is "

ἐπιούσιος (epi-OO-sea-os)" .

let me quote my source....

The Greek splits into two parts: ?ἐπι-? (epi) is a common prefix in Greek that means upon, or over, and by analogy ?
"beyond?", "more-than". We have it in our word "epidemic"¹ where -demic is again related to a Greek root meaning people (c.f. words such as demographics or democracy).

The second part of the word "-ούσιος".... is a common morpheme in Greek with meanings of "substance". Hence the debate in the early church between whether Jesus and God were "homo-ousios": of the same substance . So using this analysis, we get ...Give us this day our super-substantial bread?.

And this is exactly how it was translated in the Latin Vulgate ("supersubstantialem"), and in some of the earliest English bibles. But, of course, if you are a protestant, "super-substantial bread" is unacceptably reminiscent of "trans-substantial bread". And Jesus praying a Catholic prayer? Unconscionable!


so why is it that we have some translations that says DAILY?



off topic: ako lang ni e share nga video ha nice man kaayo gud

A Girl's Message To All Christians - YouTube

question lang bro.....Unsa man ang imo gipasabot na naay sayop ang translation or ang manuscripts?

[defender_1611]

kana lang sa after ma clear na or ma tubag na ang question mo move on ta sa obang alleged bible manipulation.

So is the bible really inerrant?

yes absolutely.....

[Mandirigma]

nganu man mag study paman ta ug hebrew ug greek since the we have a bible translated in english? mao ni akong permi masugatan bro they correct the word of God. according to 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJB) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God....." kay kana gikan na sa Ginoo nganu ato paman na e question ang iyang pulong? kani nindot ni na topic masukod jud akong pagka defender ani. hehehehe. kanang imong gi ingon na religious bias tinuod kay since ang manuscript gi manipulate nana sa taw ang uban mga scholars kay ga himo himo sila ug ilang kaugalingong manuscripts. Kay kung muingon tag manuscripts bro perti jud daghana klase ana.....But usa ra ang manuscripts na wala jud tatsa bro mao na ang "Textus Receptus or Receive Text. Diha na manuscripts gikan gi translate ang King James Bible bro which mao na akong gi defend for a long time. If you compare The King James Bible to any other translations makita jud nimo ang buslot bro ug makita pod nimo na kinsay nilutaw nga tinuod.

no, im saying nga naa nay gatoon nga mga scholars regarding anang mga manuscripts nga greek og hebrew. naa may osa diri gud nga in ingon nga lisod tun.an, di nata magtoon pa but ang atong ton.an kay ang ilang mga works.

sa arena sa mga scholars bro gi acknowledge na jud na nga dunay daghang variants ang manuscripts. proven na na, so di na na angay pa e limod.

okay so you say nga ligon ang King James, pero imo ra pod ng bias bro di ba? let me point you to this link...Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site

let me post some part gikan sa link...
the Greek text which stands behind the King James Bible is demonstrably inferior in certain places. The man who edited the text was a Roman Catholic priest and humanist named Erasmus.¹ He was under pressure to get it to the press as soon as possible since (a) no edition of the Greek New Testament had yet been published, and (b) he had heard that Cardinal Ximenes and his associates were just about to publish an edition of the Greek New Testament and he was in a race to beat them. Consequently, his edition has been called the most poorly edited volume in all of literature! It is filled with hundreds of typographical errors which even Erasmus would acknowledge.

[Mandirigma]

yes absolutely.....

in what area? di ba ingon ka nga daghang manuscript karon nga gi pang manipulate sa mga taw?

but before ta mopadayun, King James ra ba ang imong gitohoan nga inspired word of God and the rest are bogus?

[cebu.opportunities]

kung guided pa sila sa Holy Spirit then nganong daghan man ang mga variations?

Are you familiar with human spirit TS? human spirit mingled with the Holy Spirit?
Mao ny daghan kaayo variations sa interpretation and translation ky most of them are just using their mind-- their own effort of interpreting the word of God that is not of the same vision or unsa mn gusto ipa-reveal sa Ginoo.

[defender_1611]

in what area? di ba ingon ka nga daghang manuscript karon nga gi pang manipulate sa mga taw?

but before ta mopadayun, King James ra ba ang imong gitohoan nga inspired word of God and the rest are bogus?

yes abosulutely......kay kung imong e compare ang King James bible to any other translations makita nimo na perti ra jud layua.


Question bro: unsa man di ay klaseha na greek ang gigamit kaniadto sa mga taw na ga translate sa bible? kani kay ni hisgot naman jud ka ug greek.

[Mandirigma]

Are you familiar with human spirit TS? human spirit mingled with the Holy Spirit?
Mao ny daghan kaayo variations sa interpretation and translation ky most of them are just using their mind-- their own effort of interpreting the word of God that is not of the same vision or unsa mn gusto ipa-reveal sa Ginoo.

unsa na bro? kanang mo ingon nga guided or filled sila sa Holy spirit so sila ang sakto?

[defender_1611]

no, im saying nga naa nay gatoon nga mga scholars regarding anang mga manuscripts nga greek og hebrew. naa may osa diri gud nga in ingon nga lisod tun.an, di nata magtoon pa but ang atong ton.an kay ang ilang mga works.

sa arena sa mga scholars bro gi acknowledge na jud na nga dunay daghang variants ang manuscripts. proven na na, so di na na angay pa e limod.

okay so you say nga ligon ang King James, pero imo ra pod ng bias bro di ba? let me point you to this link...Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site

let me post some part gikan sa link...
the Greek text which stands behind the King James Bible is demonstrably inferior in certain places. The man who edited the text was a Roman Catholic priest and humanist named Erasmus.¹ He was under pressure to get it to the press as soon as possible since (a) no edition of the Greek New Testament had yet been published, and (b) he had heard that Cardinal Ximenes and his associates were just about to publish an edition of the Greek New Testament and he was in a race to beat them. Consequently, his edition has been called the most poorly edited volume in all of literature! It is filled with hundreds of typographical errors which even Erasmus would acknowledge.

what kind of manuscripts ang daghan ug variants? unsa na klase na manuscripts? can you provide me one? ayaw nang youtube links.....