Questions for the Atheists

[Ginalyn]

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If jesus was the son of god. and his death saved us from sin.
then why are we still sinners after more than 2000 years?
isnt jesus' death a complete waste of time?

[Ginalyn]

in chess there is a move where you simplify everything. take all the pieces you can take. exchange everything until you are left with few pieces to play. that simplifies the game.
if the problem is satan. why not just kill satan?
the world would surely be a better place without him.
if you really are god and powerful, why kill your own son?
just to save the men you created from the devil you also created.
it is too complicated. and illogical.
yeah i know you have all this reasons like we could not understand the wisdom of god.

[heliopause]

yeah then you didnt know your history.
how many were killed in the name of christianity during the crusades?
this is the reason really why i dont believe in religion.
it is the cause of war among nations. muslims vs jews. protestants vs catholics.
even in the philippines sinong nagpapatayan dahil sa religion? muslims ang christians. correct?

Ask a true christian if that is what being taught by Jesus Christ.
Ask a true Muslim if it was taught by the prophet Mohammed.
Ask the catholics if some of the practices and teachings being taught by the leaders goes in keeping with the word of god.

if i were God, id do something about it.
If god was here, will he not stop this killings and war?

It was already answered 2000 years ago, all you need to do us understand the message of the cross. There is an end to all these and God is in control.

Would you mind sharing your belief? thanks.

[heliopause]

well, that's how religion make their money. thats a lucrative business now.
selling false hope of eternal real estate. a seat next to god. guarantee of life everlasting. who would not want that?
who would not pay for it?

So why not plan to start your own if it's lucrative or imo lang gidaut kay napuhalan imong negosyo?

[Ginalyn]

i believe in a different god. not the god in the bible.
i dont believe in a personal god.
i believe that the creator is a god
who is a god of beauty.
a god of balance.
a god of justice.
a god of harmony.
and maybe the universe is god himself and we are just living in him.

my god is the universe!

[noy]

All we could do is speculate.
the concept of hell is really problematic.
example: manero killed a priest, then he goes to hell right?
hitler killed a million jews, he also goes to hell. correct?
where is justice there?
one guy only killed one person he goes to hell. the other killed a million and he goes to hell.
one to one million, same punishment?
where is the justice there?

simply because our job sis is not to judge...our job is to love God and our neighbor...
there are also people who have killed people. but became a saint. take saint paul as an example...
and for the benefit of those who don't believe in Jesus,
if Jesus was real? He took the fall, crucified on our behalf and disnohonored by the very people He sacrificed for? yeah, where is judgement in that?

[Ginalyn]

So why not plan to start your own if it's lucrative or imo lang gidaut kay napuhalan imong negosyo?

kanang religion nga negosyo para lang na sa dili kahibawo mo negosyo. para sa mga tawo nga walay laing talent kung di ang mangayog kwarta gikan sa ubang tawo. dawat limpyo ba.
dili man ko ganahan ana nga negosyo. kayod ra kog ako sa akong negosyo.
ilaha na lang nang negosyoha. makagaba man sad na ba. tan-awa si ecleo.

[Ginalyn]

simply because our job sis is not to judge...our job is to love God and our neighbor...
there are also people who have killed people. but became a saint. take saint paul as an example...
and for the benefit of those who don't believe in Jesus,
if Jesus was real? He took the fall, crucified on our behalf and disnohonored by the very people He sacrificed for? yeah, where is judgement in that?

why do we need to love god?
god is already almighty. do you think a being as great as god would need something from man?
we are insignificant. It's just like saying that we need the love of the ants. we need the ants to praise us. i have to kill my only son to save the ants.
the concept of christianity stands on the assumption that we are the only living being in the universe.
and earth is the center of the universe. that is why we feel very important to god.
with the vastness of the universe. its quite arrogant to claim that we are alone in the universe. im pretty positive we are not alone in this universe.

[heliopause]

If jesus was the son of god. and his death saved us from sin.
then why are we still sinners after more than 2000 years?
isnt jesus' death a complete waste of time?

Good question! A perfect world can only be realized when God rules during the millennial reign of Christ.

Because we're still living in a sinful world (which is cursed) & we still live in our sinful bodies. We are slowly being "Sanctified" and cleansed until we go to be in Heaven with Christ. And when we get there we will be fully "Cleansed". As of now, for those who have been 'Forgiven' by Christ (those that are born-again Christians).. they are only *seen* as Perfect in God's eyes.. because He sees the reflection of Jesus.. He does not see us as our sinful selves.

"For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace."Romans 6:14

Now this is what God makes available to every believer. God may provide an abundance of food; but if you neglect to put it in your mouth, you can still starve to death. This promise is only those who have repented - turned from their sin and unbelief, and received the gift of God through faith in Jesus. The rest are still under the power of Satan, and they will share in Satan's punishment.

[noy]

well, that's how religion make their money. thats a lucrative business now.
selling false hope of eternal real estate. a seat next to god. guarantee of life everlasting. who would not want that?
who would not pay for it?

still not a reason to generalize..and besides religion can't bring you to salvation...
say for example, you have a lot of tattoos, people would say your a bad person just because
a lot of people who have tattoos are usually bad or drug addicts...but not all...'cause others are just expressing their artistic side...
same goes with faith..not all are businessminded