Questions for the Atheists

[heliopause]

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@klayton

Mao bitaw nang giingon ni CS Lewis that if you do not understand books written for grown-ups, do not talk about it!
Maybe nakalimot ka ani pag elementary....."ANG TATAY HALIGI NG TAHANAN at ANG NANAY ILAW NG TAHANAN" would you take it metaphorically or literal? kung moingon sila nga sangko sa langit ang kasuko, does it mean babaw lang gamay sa kisame imong langit? how about these verses....and on and on and on....

John 10:9? "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.",
John 6:35 "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."

Skeptics/deists/atheists often throw up the Earth being set on pillars in 1 Sam 2:8, as supposedly proving that the Bible writers taught an unscientific theory. Here is a brief response to this nonsense:

John Gill’s commentary (On-Line Bible/The Word), originally published 1766:
‘for the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and he hath set the world upon them;’

The earth has its foundations on which it is laid, and its pillars by which it is supported; but these are no other than the power and providence of God; otherwise the earth is hung upon nothing, in the open circumambient air: and that God can and does do this may well be thought, and to do all the above things in providence and grace, related in the preceding verses; in the support, and for the proof of which, this is observed. Figuratively, the pillars of the earth may design the princes of the world, the supreme rulers of it, and civil magistrates, who are sometimes called cornerstones, and the shields of the earth (Zech. 10:4, Ps 47:9) and so pillars, because they are the means of cementing, supporting, and protecting the people of the earth, and of preserving their peace and property. Likewise good men may be meant in a figurative sense, who, as they are the salt of the earth, are the pillars of it, for whose sake it was made, and is supported, and continued in being; the church is the pillar and ground of truth; and every good man is a pillar in the house of God, and especially ministers of the Gospel (see Rev. 3:12, 1Tim. 3:15, Gal 2:9, Pr 9:1).

It is clear that, in context, the reference is to the noble ones, princes, not the physical Earth. Immediately before, the context is people, and immediately after the context is also about people. It is quite clear that this is the meaning, as Gill points out (Ryrie’s Study Bible notes also say the same thing).

Compare Job 26:7 ‘He suspends the Earth over nothing’. This is in the context of descriptions of the physical creation and it is difficult to see how this statement could have a figurative meaning of any kind.

[noy]

exactly, only when we die shall we know the answers to all these questions.

but it's always better to know or at least have the slightest idea before we do

[emberjim]

When you die there is no way for you to know the truth. Your brains holds the logical facts of life, it's just that a part of it has been clouded since our birth. These clouds will never disappear until your death, not unless you'll find the truth you've been longing for while you are alive. Heaven is something you can create right here on earth, simply because it is originated from an earthly beliefs. Try to look around you, how many people around you has live a life comparable to HELL simply because they have nothing to eat, and forced to do evil things that might end up them going to HELL if it there is really a HELL.. HELL are for those who believed in HEAVEN these people are those who done evil things in the street or in an institution with their white robes and sacramental paraphernalia. The only difference between these two evil doings, they labeled themselves HOLY and the other one is Immoral... I am not an Atheist or something but I don't believe the man who speak about the Man who saves the world, simply because he only speak about what he read and heard. Believe me, he will run as fast as Hell when it's turn for him to be Crucified.. Find the truth inside your heart, not in someone's tongue.. BOOM!!!

[Ginalyn]

sorry but i need to ask,how exactly did you know these things?and how exatcly sure are you that because it is illogical
it isnt right or true?and what have you done so far that you can conclude such? or you just got all these from websites..
where you can pretty much find what you're looking for in favor of what kind of answers you would like to get
remember that you are resposible for what you preach..
if you're right, then congrats, if not then God be with you.

All we could do is speculate.
the concept of hell is really problematic.
example: manero killed a priest, then he goes to hell right?
hitler killed a million jews, he also goes to hell. correct?
where is justice there?
one guy only killed one person he goes to hell. the other killed a million and he goes to hell.
one to one million, same punishment?
where is the justice there?

[emberjim]

What if you're wrong too? Please there are lot of people now who are in suffering, because of belief and faith they call it. They don't have anymore faith in their selves... Don't give them false hope... There is nothing beyond death, if there is, why don't He do something about these people while they were alive... this Ancient MLM...BOOM!!!! Wake Up!!!!Help someone up!!!!

[heliopause]

When you die there is no way for you to know the truth. Your brains holds the logical facts of life, it's just that a part of it has been clouded since our birth. These clouds will never disappear until your death, not unless you'll find the truth you've been longing for while you are alive. Heaven is something you can create right here on earth, simply because it is originated from an earthly beliefs. Try to look around you, how many people around you has live a life comparable to HELL simply because they have nothing to eat, and forced to do evil things that might end up them going to HELL if it there is really a HELL.. HELL are for those who believed in HEAVEN these people are those who done evil things in the street or in an institution with their white robes and sacramental paraphernalia. The only difference between these two evil doings, they labeled themselves HOLY and the other one is Immoral... I am not an Atheist or something but I don't believe the man who speak about the Man who saves the world, simply because he only speak about what he read and heard. Believe me, he will run as fast as Hell when it's turn for him to be Crucified.. Find the truth inside your heart, not in someone's tongue.. BOOM!!!

Don't talk nonsense if you don't know the suffering of the Christians who lived lives as being the light and the salt of this world.

CHRISTIAN persecution in ancient ROME. - WindexGSM Forum.mpg - YouTube
Christian Persecution - YouTube

[Ginalyn]

Don't talk nonsense if you don't know the suffering of the Christians who lived lives as being the light and the salt of this earth.

CHRISTIAN persecution in ancient ROME. - WindexGSM Forum.mpg - YouTube
Christian Persecution - YouTube

yeah then you didnt know your history.
how many were killed in the name of christianity during the crusades?
this is the reason really why i dont believe in religion.
it is the cause of war among nations. muslims vs jews. protestants vs catholics.
even in the philippines sinong nagpapatayan dahil sa religion? muslims ang christians. correct?
if i were God, id do something about it.
If god was here, will he not stop this killings and war?

[heliopause]

All we could do is speculate.
the concept of hell is really problematic.
example: manero killed a priest, then he goes to hell right?
hitler killed a million jews, he also goes to hell. correct?
where is justice there?
one guy only killed one person he goes to hell. the other killed a million and he goes to hell.
one to one million, same punishment?
where is the justice there?

Do not take God's responsibility. There are things beyond our knowledge just leave it alone to God. Let us do what God requires from us that we may be made worthy when we stand before him in the judgment day!

[noy]

When you die there is no way for you to know the truth. Your brains holds the logical facts of life, it's just that a part of it has been clouded since our birth. These clouds will never disappear until your death, not unless you'll find the truth you've been longing for while you are alive. Heaven is something you can create right here on earth, simply because it is originated from an earthly beliefs. Try to look around you, how many people around you has live a life comparable to HELL simply because they have nothing to eat, and forced to do evil things that might end up them going to HELL if it there is really a HELL.. HELL are for those who believed in HEAVEN these people are those who done evil things in the street or in an institution with their white robes and sacramental paraphernalia. The only difference between these two evil doings, they labeled themselves HOLY and the other one is Immoral... I am not an Atheist or something but I don't believe the man who speak about the Man who saves the world, simply because he only speak about what he read and heard. Believe me, he will run as fast as Hell when it's turn for him to be Crucified.. Find the truth inside your heart, not in someone's tongue.. BOOM!!!

at one side, yes...some people claimed to be holy but evil, some are concious some are clouded and just being fanatic.but the question is,is it logical to generalize?
at one point, yes people can have heavenly feelings on earth but it is most satisfying? why are there billionaires seeking for another billion or gazillions of cash?
at some point,yes people are born poor and suffered greatly,and may have considered themselves "no choice" hence commiting illegal crimes..but they always have a choice,to earn the money righteously? or the "easy way out".
so it's actually the person who choses whether he would live like hell..
and lastly, yes at one part, you wouldn't be consious when you;re dead physically...
but if there is really God, and if Jesus was real...it might be a great realization greater than what a person might come realize while he's alive..and if live a life believing that there is God,then die and find out He doesnt exist...then at least you tried to lead a good life, 'cause after all, Jesus/Bible is packed with moral stuff..but there is something greater than morality, which the salvation that Christ's offers, so what die believeing that Jesus is not real..then find out that He is? and heaven and Hell are real...
it's like winning the lottery but somehow lost the ticket...
'cause you had a lifetime to believe but somehow chose not to..

[Ginalyn]

What if you're wrong too? Please there are lot of people now who are in suffering, because of belief and faith they call it. They don't have anymore faith in their selves... Don't give them false hope... There is nothing beyond death, if there is, why don't He do something about these people while they were alive... this Ancient MLM...BOOM!!!! Wake Up!!!!Help someone up!!!!

well, that's how religion make their money. thats a lucrative business now.
selling false hope of eternal real estate. a seat next to god. guarantee of life everlasting. who would not want that?
who would not pay for it?