Are All “Christians” Christian?

[LaBelleza]

I agree sis. That's the beauty of Islam, the belief in one God. But i could ask one thing, did God gave his words to both Jews (tanach) and the Christians (bible) to believe in it and allow both of them to dillute his words in order to confuse the following believers? muslims argued that our books were tampered/changed.

Please note that the Trinity is not polytheism, you just dont get its concept.

No He did not allow for the books to be tampered with and true we do believe the bible has been. Muslims believe God himself protects the Qur'an and it is the final revelation. We have what are called "hafiz" who memorise the Qur'an from start to finish so no matter how many books are destroyed it can always be reproduced word for word.

As Muslims, we follow the historical Jesus. I know the Trinity isn't polytheism. Even as a former church goer, there was just so much I could not accept (such as Jesus being God in human form...and u don't need to lecture me on this because I've heard it all by ppl trying to convince me). It's not in the bible nor does Jesus (peace be upon him) claim to be God.

Jew, Christian or Muslim = ONE God. It's so simple.

[JcBoY]

@heliopause, a.k.a. Santopaps/Blutors/WordOfGod/Marine77/wormwoods kon akoy patubagon nimo sa thread title mao ni akong tubag, Qur'anic based;

"From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done." Qur'an 5:14

E-reconcile sa na ninyo nga Qur'anic revelation, to make it false hala pag-usa daw mo sa tanan ninyong principles and ways as a Christian.

And watch this video as your former fellow Baptist Eric said @2:54, "Islam is EVERYTHING I wanted Christianity to be"

the best film or movie I have seen in my life - YouTube

[heliopause]

Dong, Santopaps/Blutors/WordOfGod/Marine77/wormwoods and now heliopause....

Hilig man gyud tawon ka ug mag-sidetrip and then create sub-topic nga wala man gani tawon Islam/Muslim/Allah/Muhammad sa title sa thread pero kay para nimo nindot man kaha tirahon ang Islam. You might think that all Muslims believed that hadith narrating about Prophet Muhammad marrying a 6 yrs old girl without verifying and analyzing its veracity, then I tell you, YOU ARE YOUNG! In the Islamic Thought where I belong WE DON'T BELIEVED IT. Since you are fond of posting youtube links, I will answer your accusation with a youtube links an explanation from one our scholar, Dr. Mesbah Moosavi.

Did Prophet Muhammad marry a 9 year old? (Ayesha)| Part 1 | English - YouTube

Did Prophet Muhammad marry a 9 year old? (Ayesha)| Part 2 | English - YouTube

And your #2 and #3 are plain manifestations of your ignorance. An accusation that does not hold ground considering that Islam today is considered that FASTEST RELIGION in the world and still gaining more adherents in EUROPE and even in AMERICA.

Thanks sa answer @jcboy. i will answer balik to counter your vids but not now. Just keep cool dont get offended if you have the truth.

Please note that there is a big difference of your claims between "Fastest religion" (fastest what?) i assumed Growing and Fastest enforced religion. Ayaw kalain ha but the statistics clearly shows the latter.

[noy]

bitaw bro kasaulogan bitaw na kay even kami mag Last Supper pod mi pero not like sa gibuhat sa catholic na every week kay kanang term na "Eurcharist" associated na siya sa Mass. But latong gibuhat ni Kristo dili man to misa.

sorry bro but again it's not teh supper that we celebrate it's the fact that Jesus made a sacrifice for our salvation.
yes bro kadtong gibuhat ni kristo dili to mass..maybe they would've called it as gathering..however if you would look at it this way, mass is simply a gathering of christians which is the best time to remember Christ's sacrifice.and to commune with Him to escape death(eternal death of course). in the time of moses,death came down to egypt to take the lives of the first born of the enemies of God.that's how the feast of passover began.where Jews were instructed to slaughter a bull and make markings on their door by it's blood for death to pass over their houses..and for the Jews to be safe they would also have to consume/eat the meat of the bull.(that's where communion comes in).obviously the bull was the sacrifice made by the Jews to escape death, in the new testament, Jesus being the final sacrifice for mankinds escape from death. where His body and blood being sacrificed for our salvation. the holy eucharist is considered literally as the body of Christ 'cause it is the every sacrifice of God,and no one should take it lightly, otherwise people would just consider it as wine and bread.through communion we again remind ourselves that we have accepted Christ as Lord and Savior.and not literally eating Him as cannibals.

[JcBoY]

Thanks sa answer @jcboy. i will answer balik to counter your vids but not now. Just keep cool dont get offended if you have the truth.

Please note that there is a big difference of your claims between "Fastest religion" (fastest what?) i assumed Growing and Fastest enforced religion. Ayaw kalain ha but the statistics clearly shows the latter.

On the contrary I am cool as I say the TRUTH to you. Accusing me on that attitude is not a leverage for you but exposing your falsehoods as the saying goes, "TRUTH HURTS".

Yes you are right and I stand corrected as it should be FASTEST GROWING RELIGION, no matter how you corrupted it by saying ENFORCED, the truth remains ISLAM conquers all, as it was already revealed by ALLAH (swt) in the Qur'an.

"Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected even though the unbelievers may detest (it). It is He who hath sent His apostle with guidance and religion of truth to proclaim it over all religions even though the pagans may detest (it)." Qur'an 9:32:33

[LaBelleza]

It is rapidly growing but there is no compulsion.

[heliopause]

No He did not allow for the books to be tampered with and true we do believe the bible has been. Muslims believe God himself protects the Qur'an and it is the final revelation. We have what are called "hafiz" who memorise the Qur'an from start to finish so no matter how many books are destroyed it can always be reproduced word for word.

What's the proof that it has been tampered? i know there are possible errors in the transmission and the translation of words but these are only minor. It does not affect the main context of the passage. I will give a link soon about the earlier manuscripts of your Quran which is very different from the ones you have now.

I admire too the hafiz who is able to memorize everything but that's not the measure of the truthfulness of something.

As Muslims, we follow the historical Jesus. I know the Trinity isn't polytheism. Even as a former church goer, there was just so much I could not accept (such as Jesus being God in human form...and u don't need to lecture me on this because I've heard it all by ppl trying to convince me). It's not in the bible nor does Jesus (peace be upon him) claim to be God.

I doubt if you know the historical Jesus and not link him in the gospel. You will never know Jesus Christ aside from the words of the Apostles.

Jew, Christian or Muslim = ONE God. It's so simple.

I would ask, if the Jews believe in (YHWH), Christians believe in (YeHeshuaH), why do muslim's Allah=God in english dont have a personal name? We might be mistaken in accepting other pagan gods also (baphomet, baal, etc.) since it is a very generic word.

let's consider:
1) In the old testament times, YHWH was talking directly to the prophets telling them he alone is God
2) in the new testament, the Trinity "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" revealed in unity during Jesus' baptism.
3) Allah never appeared to Mohammed or even talked with Him personally, he only course the message through the messenger Gabriel.

From the past history, we see how God advance his message of truth and love to humanity through the prophets without any coercion and spilling of bloods. But we can see the difference how Islam spreads and advances its cause. More than that, a true prophet should be compassionate and is not greed of power.

[heliopause]

On the contrary I am cool as I say the TRUTH to you. Accusing me on that attitude is not a leverage for you but exposing your falsehoods as the saying goes, "TRUTH HURTS".

Yes you are right and I stand corrected as it should be FASTEST GROWING RELIGION, no matter how you corrupted it by saying ENFORCED, the truth remains ISLAM conquers all, as it was already revealed by ALLAH (swt) in the Qur'an.

"Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected even though the unbelievers may detest (it). It is He who hath sent His apostle with guidance and religion of truth to proclaim it over all religions even though the pagans may detest (it)." Qur'an 9:32:33

good that you can accept that truth hurts. Now would you accept that based on statistics, halos tanan nga patay in the name of religion naglabi jud ang mga muslim? dont get offended but i just want to know your opinion.

[heliopause]

@jcboy

ang pag advance sa kamatuoran about sa ginoo dili idala ug coercion or worse than that because TRUTH is an attribute of God. If people reject it, consider. We are given freewill, time will come people will realize the value of truth.

If we imagine kung Islam na ang religion sa mga jews as you claim it, dili tingali ingon ani ang atong view or experience sa kalipay ug gugma as we know it. Love and forgiveness is the key to win people's heart and you can only know that in the teachings of Christianity.

peace bro.

[LaBelleza]

"early manuscripts" i've read about it before...discussed it here before too in another thread so don't bother.

"They (i.e. Jews and Christians) changed words from their contexts and forgot a good part of the message given to them, and you will continue to find them -except a few among them- bent on new deceits…" (al-Ma'idah: 13)

Before I go any further what do u mean by Allah not having a personal name??