Are All “Christians” Christian?

[SioDenz]

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Bitaw brad Siodenz, murag bati mani imong tubag diri, mura man kag ni judge na hinuon. Ako protestante ko pero dili ko mo judge sa atong Roman Catholic brothers brad. I-check sad na imong tinubagan usahay kay bati jud tan-awon brad. peace to you.

Judge diay nang mu ingun ko iyang gi istory lahi sa gi istorya ni Apostle Paul? ingun ba diay kog sayop siya ingun raman ko iyang istorya sukwahi sa istorya ni PAULO.

Kana nuon mu ingun ka nga True Christian ka nya imung Faith tinuod - nya naa sa Bibliya nag ingun nga ang Ginoo ray pwedi mu Judge sa atung pagtuo - Maoy nay klarung Judge...Judge sa imung kaugalingon.

[Fri13th]

^^ahww, maayo kay ni explain ka nga wala ka ni judge. that's good.

[noy]

Therefore, mailhan ra ang atong pagka Kristiyano based on our actions.

agree ko nimu bro,through actions ra jud.and the motive behind those actions is God's business 'cause He's the only one who sees the heart.

[SioDenz]

Mu out sah ko kay BEERNES run,

Hinaot nga lamdagan ta kanunay sa Ginoo para makakita sa Tinuod nga dalan ug pahinumduman ta niya sa pagpaubos.

Happy weekend

[Kenshiro]

obviously you're brainwashed to condemn Catholics without studying it further..anyways as usual kung mo post ka or copy and paste daghan ayo topic nga ma involved nga pwede maka create ug sanga sanga nga pwede lain na nga thread..like priestly confession, idols..etc..pwede ta mag create lain nga thread ani..broad ra kaayo ka mo copy paste..

holy tradition is biblical..kay kung wala holy tradition walay bible for gods sake..its not man made doctrine..imo panabot sa holy tradition is dili mao..FYI, ang sulod anang bible is holy tradition....buot pasabot gi practice na sa wala pay bible for hundred of years until naay printing press..ug naay authority ang church ana kay gitagaan na ni kristo through Peter...in fact wala sa bible nga dapat ang basehan bible...Church ra man jud ang basehan but since ang bible gikan man sa Christian diha sa history naa siyay authority as written document about the church....

Maka claim ba ang protestant church ug apostolic succession obviously dili kay sangit mo ni Luther...tanan ba ta naay authority mahimong interpreter sa bible? kung mo claim ka aw sa kadaghan sa christian sect kinsa may tinuod nga naay authority gikan kang Christ? imohang church or sect?

What is written in the Bible regarding those who places "tradition" above the commandments of God

Mathew 15:1-3
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:8

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:8

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:9

Indulgences or Salvation by wallet?
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:18

[noy]

so wa ka kahibalo asay palabihun if naa na nga sitwasyon? since imu man gi accept nga naay tradition nga wala sa bible?

wa ko kahibaw bai.and mu agree jud ko nga naay mga traditions nga
wala sa bible but it doesnt mean that those traditions are wrong.
kay kung muingun ta ang tanang wala sa bible kay sayop. murag extreme na pud kaau na.
that's why the Jews failed to recognize Jesus as the messiah..asaide sa ilang pride
'cause they were so focus sa mga gibuhat ni Jesus nga wala sa Jewish scripture
or even worse against sa jewish scripture..like healing during sabbath, washing of hands before eating...
Jesus made all things new..mao ang akong focus is sa iya 2 ka commandments which i mentioned earlier.
and since catholic man ko.i put my faith nga naay purpose nganu gipaka tao ko nga katoliko
so in accordance to God's teaching about obedience it is rightful for me to obey.
of course i have question, tons of them.but faith is greater that either questions and answers.

[noy]

mu lusot pa jud.

this statement seem pretty judgemental..again since ni ingun man ka nga wala ka nagjudge..
then it is enough for me.

[noy]

What is written in the Bible regarding those who places "tradition" above the commandments of God

Mathew 15:1-3
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:8

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:8

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:9

Indulgences or Salvation by wallet?
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:18

i think bai, ang tradition nga gi mean ni Jesus and the apostles are pagan traditions or other Jewish traditions that have already been fulfilled by the Jesus himself,then a whole new tradition has been created, like the tradition of remembering Christ's birth,death, breaking of bread and a whole lot of stuff. about indulgences, it's deep...
but i think the main and sole purpose for indelgence was really good..unfortunately yes, there were corrupt
people in the early RCC church.sad to say even now.but i hope that's not gonna be our basis why we should be divided as Christians.

[Aphiemi]

I think you are oversimplifying the issue. You cannot just compare it with pearl spotting or Nike shoes. The reason why there are lots of denominations sprouting like mushrooms or let's consider the entire religion of humanity, is because THERE IS NO GOD WHO GOES DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN FIERY CHARIOTS AND TELLS A CHURCH GROUP TO SHUT UP THIS IS THE CORRECT DOCTRINE AND SHOULD FOLLOW THIS RELIGION. I think the God of Abraham, Isaac n Jacob has gone somewhere else..

The bible is a good source of information as far as history is concerned, just ignore the Creation myth. You will learn a lot of morals in that book and proverbial sayings..I'm not closing the door and say wala na jud possibility to know the real christian or true church/religion. Who knows someday that imaginary being might appear and reveal everything, so in the meantime, its everybody's guess..



Let's go back to Page 2 of this thread:

Aphiemi: ...through sound doctrine and life changing teachings.
Klayton: How do you define sound doctrine?
SioDenz: Maybe same as his.. (referring to Aphiemi)

You got my point bro? We cannot avoid reaching a biased conclusion if we study each denomination coz you're one of the parties involved. Siguro if we start sorting out the teachings of different churches, IN THE END THE RESULT WILL BE PICTURE AND DESCRIPTION OF YOUR OWN DENOMINATION!

-why can't we compare it to those things I've mentioned? I was hitting against your flawed logic by using simple illustrations and I believe you saw the fallacy of your own statement. dili puede ka mosulti nga wa nay sakto nga interpretation on the basis nga tungod daghang interpretations og denominations ang nigawas, thats wrong, i mean imong rason sayop.

-Bai God came down to Moses and the Prophets and gave His words to them,read the bible you'll find it written there and Jesus walked upon this earth thousands of years ago, so SAYOP ng imong gisulti nga wa mo ari ang Ginoo sa kalibotan to reveal His words.

-Genesis creation is the most logical explanation that you can find around here,

- no its not everybody's guess, there is only one truth. di puede nga ang 1+1=2 osbon or e guess guess lang.

- and what's wrong with that if it ends in my own denomination? like i said daghang fake but it doesn't mean tungod daghang fake wa nay tinood.

let me illustrate, say... naay osa ka babaye, daghang ni angkon nga ila ng asawa or daghang ni ingon nga ako to siyang asawa, nya ikaw angkon pod ka nga imo ng asawa. so pananglitan sa pag pangita sa ebidensiya it points to you nga ikaw ang tinood nga bana sa babaye, so unsa may sayop ana kong ang imong pag angkon sa babaye nga imo siyang asawa mo end sa imoha?

same thing sa truth, many claimed nga naa nila ang kamatooran, kami angkon pod mi, so unsa may naa ana kong sa atong pag pangita sa kamatooran mo end up sa among denomination?

[noy]

religion/denomination cannot bring us to salvation..only Christ can.
mao btaw ingun sa apostle paul to set our eyes on things above..
when there are confusions/questions such as these...
as Christians we ought to set our eyes on higher grounds, to the highest authority
at the end of the day different denominations but there will be one God.
i think mas i value pa sa Ginoo atong pag respetohay sa usag usa rather than
proving kung kinsa muy mas sakto..as Christian, our basis of faith are the same
no matter what denomination where in.