Are All “Christians” Christian?

[LaBelleza]

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We should not talk about a Belief based on what its followers are doing. You of all people should know that

Question the Belief Not the Believers.

I wasn't defining a Christian bro. It's something I hear often when asked what religion they are.

[LaBelleza]

I thought the thread was about Christians. Not Christianity. Followers (of any religion) aren't perfect.

[ketllac]

Its not who made the Bible and who has higher authority over it.
its what is being contradicted in the bible.
Is traditions like indulgences(salvation by wallet), priestly confession(Claiming to have the power to forgive sins), and holy water in the Bible. Answer is it is not and even condemned by the Bible.

Who would think to be an authority above the Bible and even the very Law of God is the exact attitude of the RCC.

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel 7:25

obviously you're brainwashed to condemn Catholics without studying it further..anyways as usual kung mo post ka or copy and paste daghan ayo topic nga ma involved nga pwede maka create ug sanga sanga nga pwede lain na nga thread..like priestly confession, idols..etc..pwede ta mag create lain nga thread ani..broad ra kaayo ka mo copy paste..

holy tradition is biblical..kay kung wala holy tradition walay bible for gods sake..its not man made doctrine..imo panabot sa holy tradition is dili mao..FYI, ang sulod anang bible is holy tradition....buot pasabot gi practice na sa wala pay bible for hundred of years until naay printing press..ug naay authority ang church ana kay gitagaan na ni kristo through Peter...in fact wala sa bible nga dapat ang basehan bible...Church ra man jud ang basehan but since ang bible gikan man sa Christian diha sa history naa siyay authority as written document about the church....

Maka claim ba ang protestant church ug apostolic succession obviously dili kay sangit mo ni Luther...tanan ba ta naay authority mahimong interpreter sa bible? kung mo claim ka aw sa kadaghan sa christian sect kinsa may tinuod nga naay authority gikan kang Christ? imohang church or sect?

[ketllac]

sorry double post........

[Eve's Apple Project]

I thought the thread was about Christians. Not Christianity. Followers (of any religion) aren't perfect.

sakto... thread was about "Christians" not Christianity. the hypocrites,posers & not the Christian Faith. if this is not about "Christians" then mas maayo unta gi-direct ni TS kung kinsa iyang giigo ani...wahaha

[ketllac]

Christianity in a sense started sa mga apostle when they followed Christ. Ang Content sa Bibliya nabuhat while nagsunod sunod silang Kristo naminaw sa iyang sangyaw. Although ang uban nahisulat after na si Kristo namatay pero ang message is gikan ghapon sa kapanahunan ni Kristo. Ang Bibliya nga Libro na compile much later na.

Pero ang nag compile is katoliko...nga obviously gi sunod sa mga protestants. Simple logic ; now kung dili sakto ang katoliko mahulog sad nga dili sakto ang protestant.but protestant can't say that because ang bible gikan sa katoliko..

[KlaytoN]

if it says 1+1=2 then that's what we need to believe and teach.

dili man na problema ang daghan nga interpretations kay by sorting it makita man nimo kong kinsa nga denomination ang sakto. just like pearls gud kong kabalo ka sa ways how to spot fake pearls dali ra nimo ma spot kong asa ang tinood nga pearl.

then sayop pod na nga logic kong mo assume ta nga walay possibility nga makita nato ang kamatooran tungod kay ang bible daghang interpretations.

"daghang interpretations ang bible therefore di katohoan" or daghang interpretations ang bible so maglisod ta og spot asa ang sakto"- these reasons are illogical.

let me illustrate..." daghang fake nga Nike shoes therefore way orig nga NIKE shoes", wrong logic di ba?

I think you are oversimplifying the issue. You cannot just compare it with pearl spotting or Nike shoes. The reason why there are lots of denominations sprouting like mushrooms or let's consider the entire religion of humanity, is because THERE IS NO GOD WHO GOES DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN FIERY CHARIOTS AND TELLS A CHURCH GROUP TO SHUT UP THIS IS THE CORRECT DOCTRINE AND SHOULD FOLLOW THIS RELIGION. I think the God of Abraham, Isaac n Jacob has gone somewhere else..

The bible is a good source of information as far as history is concerned, just ignore the Creation myth. You will learn a lot of morals in that book and proverbial sayings..I'm not closing the door and say wala na jud possibility to know the real christian or true church/religion. Who knows someday that imaginary being might appear and reveal everything, so in the meantime, its everybody's guess..

if you want make a list of doctrines here from other denomination, then osa osahon nato og study.

Let's go back to Page 2 of this thread:

Aphiemi: ...through sound doctrine and life changing teachings.
Klayton: How do you define sound doctrine?
SioDenz: Maybe same as his.. (referring to Aphiemi)

You got my point bro? We cannot avoid reaching a biased conclusion if we study each denomination coz you're one of the parties involved. Siguro if we start sorting out the teachings of different churches, IN THE END THE RESULT WILL BE PICTURE AND DESCRIPTION OF YOUR OWN DENOMINATION!

[KlaytoN]

Biblically grounded (in a sense that you can see the verse in the Bible) , but depende pud sa imong PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.

That is why (protestant) Christianity has splintered to at least 30,000 denominations/sects/cults and each of them will NEVER agree at ALL points in the Bible -- taking note na usa ra ka Bible ang ila basis.

The Holy Spirit must be confused then.

And the splintering will never end, as 7 entirely different sects /cults are being formed each week.

Example: on the topic of abortion, "Christians" will have different answers/reactions and each of them will base their answers according to their sect's teaching.

Actually it is the followers who are confused because ayaw magpakita ng kanilang lider na nasa langit daw..

[KlaytoN]

so to understand a true Christians from the rest, should be in line with the apostolic succession commonly called "holy tradition"...that so called "activities" from the apostolic succession and Christ ministries were then recorded and it became a bible..however both are having the same authority in terms of christian doctrine..the differences are; bible cannot teach without the church..now kinsa ma nang church..bisan kinsa lang ba maka claim as long as can read and write..?

All Christians regardless of denomination should pay attention to this point. This is one of the biggest edge or advantage of the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church over the rest of Christendom. I think these two major christian denomination, sila lang naay "K" nga mu claim they have the historical continuity from the apostolic church down to our generation, that is more than 2,000 years! I'm not saying they have the final evidence of such, but sila ang pinaka close sa lineage padung kay Jesus Christ..

[Eve's Apple Project]

^^ actually bai, The Holy Spirit is part of the HOLY Trinity & is Equally important as God the Father & the Son (JC). Mao na ang mysterio sa pag-too sa christianismo.. namong mga RCatholics amo paning i-apil og mention sa panguros. daghan sad na sya og roles bai

usa sa roles niya as per nakita nako sa internet:
• He Reveals Truth:
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. (NIV)