Did Jesus have any sibblings?

[Aphiemi]

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concept paman dili pajud dogma.



ah ok brad, salamat..

are you sure nga concept pa na di pa dogma? di ba 5th dogma na naman na sa Marian Theology.

ang first kay mother of God, immaculate virgin, immaculately conceived,assumed into heaven body and soul...

[Boy Tanom]

Nkabasa pd ko ana TS, pero naa pd lain na verse ako nakit.an regarding gihapon sa brothers ni Jesus.

MAAYONG BALITA BIBLIYA
Mateo 12:46

46. Samtang nakigsulti pa si Jesus sa mga tawo, miabot ang iyang inahan ug mga igsoong lalaki. Nagtindog sila didto sa gawas ug bout makigsulti kaniya.

And regarding with Mary's title as the virgin Mary in our Catholic Church as said, she was still a virgin kadtong nag sabak pa siya ni Jesus kay wala man siya hilabti ni Jose nga iyang bana kay ang gisabak ni Maria mao ang lalang sa Espirito Santo and I think that is the "Mary" that the Church would like to publicly be known kay ang mamasahay ra sa bibliya ang makahibaw nga si Jesus adunay diay mga igsoon ug pagka ngan nga naa siyay igsoon, si Maria as a wife of Joseph bore him other siblings and would literally mean nga di na siya virgin.

And regarding co-redemptrix, I think wala may gimention other than Christ as a redeemer ( sa ako lang ning mubong panabot) according to John 3:16.

I'm a Roman Catholic, but I am really trying to have an open mind because maybe religiosity cannot bring us salvation but rather our deeds would make us worthy to receive salvation according to Lucas 18:18-20.

[necrotic freak]

are you sure nga concept pa na di pa dogma? di ba 5th dogma na naman na sa Marian Theology.

ang first kay mother of God, immaculate virgin, immaculately conceived,assumed into heaven body and soul...

basta kanang co-redemptrix in particular murag wala pajud na ma dogna.

pagbuhat ug lain thread ani nga topic brad aron dili ma yagaw imong thread.

[Aphiemi]

dogma or not, akong question naghuwat pa og tobag.

[WengIA]

@Boss Springfield:

Yes wala namatay si Mary . You wont find that in the bible because you wont see the sentence there that states " MARY DID NOT DIE " and instead you will configure that MARY ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN . That is based on the 3 Marian Dogma's that are very important to the teachings of the Roman Catholic church . When Mary was concieved without original sin , it is only rightful that her body and soul went straight to heaven because it is incorruptable .

Here is a good read with sensible reasonings that clearly indiciates no SOLA SCRIPTURA .

heh! kung wala nakita sa bible so dili nato na dugangan boss kay kung unsay nakasulat sa bibliya mao ra jud nay touhan nato kay ang bibliya ra mismo ang source sa atong pagtuo isip usa ka Kristohanon. tungod lang kay walay relics nga makita kang Mary. wa nadaun sya namatay?

(revelation 22:18-19 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.)

kana kay nagbuhat2x ang daan Simbahan og ilang libro2x saun na lang wa gyud baya nag ingon si Jesus pagbuhat mo og lain libro unya mao nay inyong basehan sa pagtuo. gihimo naman nuon og Ark of the covenant si Mary nga wala naman intawn ta nailalom sa balaod ..nahimo naman tang gawasnon sa balaod.Gugma og Grasya na ang Nagpatigbabaw sa atong pagtuo og dili na ang Balaod ..nganong naa pa may Ark of the Covenant nga mao si Mary intawn nga wala naman unta ang Balaod. tsk tsk tsk..

I dont know where to start with you . Are you a Protestant bai ? If you are then you have to re read your BIBLE again , you will see a lot of inconsistencies and discrepancies sa statements nimo maski mo follow ka sa SCRIPTURE ALONE na dogma .

By the way , add on lang ko . What word man na DISTINCT kaayo but never ni nimo makita sa BIBLIYA gyud?

I'm not a Protestant boss I am a Christian. a follower of Jesus Christ. i'm reading the Holy Bible boss that's why ni come up ko ana pero kung akong gibasa inyong libro2x kung asa ninyo gikuha na inyong pagtuo di ko mo come up og ingon ana. so akoy dapat moingon nimo boss read your bible alone jud set aside nang uban libro nga dili mga Prophets and Disciples ni God ang nagsulat.. mas motuo man hinuon gud mo ana sinulat ra sa mga wala gipangdihugan sa Ginoo. gipangtwist na nga mga sinulat.

Unless ni basa ka sa reply nako ni RAISSAH sa page 2 man siguro , this would be redundant . Heck I can even call you brother because iSTORYAN ka . Does that make us brothers ? YES why not ! Does that make you the son of my mother ? You tell me .

hehehe! gipakasama gani niya boss sa iyang pamilya ang mga tao nga mosubay sa kabubut-on sa iyang amahan. yup pwede kaayo tawgon og brothers and sisters oi bisan dili inahan .. pero lahi man na nga interpretasyon imo boss basaha ra gud maayo ang verses.

"Mateo 12:46 Samtang nakigsulti pa si Jesus sa mga tawo, miabot ang iyang inahan ug mga igsoong lalaki. Nagtindog sila didto sa gawas kay gusto makigsulti kaniya."

"Mateo 13:55 Dili ba siya mao man ang anak sa panday sa kahoy? Dili ba ang iyang inahan ginganlan si Maria? Ug dili ba ang iyang mga igsoong lalaki mao man sila si Santiago ug si Jose ug si Simon ug si Judas?

Buhat 1:14 Kini silang tanan nanagpadayon sa paghiusa sa pag-ampo, kauban sa mga babaye lakip kang Maria nga inahan ni Jesus, ug kauban sa iyang mga igsoong lalaki.

see unsa ka consistent ang verses nga naa jud igsoon si Lord Jesus.. dili ni ingon anion pagsulat kung dili tataw og klaro nga naay igsuon si Jesus og dili na virgin si Mary pag katawo ni Jesus boss ngano nagkatakduay man ni beh? so meaning tinuod jud .

Joseph “kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son...” Matthew 1:25,

naa pa boss ay.. Mismo si Paul gidistiguished niya ni.

Galatians 1:19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother.

Colossians 4:10 My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does Mark, the cousin of Barnabas. (You have received instructions about him; if he comes to you, welcome him.)

Ang galatians og colossians si Paul ang nagsulat anang duha boss. pero iyang distinguished ang brother og cousin naa jud nga term.. then ngano gitawag jud niya si James og the Lord's Brother kung pwede niyang tawgon og the Lord's Cousin kung cousin ra jud ni Jesus si James.. does it make sense boss? Mao kung bible ra imong ginahugutan sa imong pagtuo isip Kristohanon boss which is mao ang dapat nato buhaton dili ka maka come up anang imong gituohan ron boss.

[sniperwolf_32]

Hello TS,

Just want to say what Jesus said. "The Truth Shall Set You Free".
If you truly seek for it, you will find it. I know the answer to this question.

Blessings to everyone.

[tikotakz]

ayaw tawn mo ani.

[jonovanz]

taasa jud kaayo ug abtan basta mga ing.ani klase nga thread..! pyt mga istoryan!

[Kenshiro]

@KENSHIRO ...

One thing that amazed me is that you don't attack the information and facts but the person the provider of information.
This will lead then to senseless personal attacks rather than constructive critical examination of the information given.

This will lead to an actual constructive discussion because the leverage should should be in line to both parties who are exchanging ideas , not the ideas being exchanged . You know why ? Because this is an issue long been discussed way back even siguro panahon pa lang sa reformation . How much more kita na ni dawat na lanbg ug information and seats where we comfortable at ?

Martin Luther never came up with a protest for the sake of protest it was through a careful study of the scriptures on how the Papacy has corrupted and clearly violated the Biblical doctrines.

It is not a careful study bai , it is more on something he does not disagree with during those turbulent times of Christianity . Mind you , Martin Luther was an Augustinian monk , under the philosophy and teachings of St. Augustine of Hippo , considered as one of the church's greatest doctors and faith defender .

It doesn't make any sense but its blind obedience in its purest form. There is no credibility but secretivity.
That is why most of you says the Bible is not reliable because you yourself distorted its doctrine and its meaning.

Most Catholics ? Haha ! You are clearly joking bai . How can one distort the meaning of the doctrines when that someone is the oldest practicing Christian denomination ? Mao bitaw pwerting daghana versions sa bible karon.

What if the pope tells you to eat shit then it doesn't matter what it is right? Since you don't question on what but who told you. This is clearly blind obedience.
How do you know if the person is credible? Because someone told you that someone is credible? Then how do you know if that someone that told someone is credible because that someone is told by someone who is credible. It goes on and on.

You are clearly living the age of modern times . That only justifies that the person you consider as authority is just . When the pope was selected to accept the task , wala na siya gi pugos , wala na siya mapya , wala na siya gi appoint etc . Unless you are talking about the black popes and the church leaders of the dark ages , daghan questionable gyud . This will direct you on the changes over the years . The change for the better .

Ikaw protestante ka ? What makes you think that you should follow Martin Luther's teachings also ? How sure are you that he is right ? Unless di ka protestant then it wont make any sense to you .

This will lead to an actual constructive discussion because the leverage should should be in line to both parties who are exchanging ideas , not the ideas being exchanged . You know why ? Because this is an issue long been discussed way back even siguro panahon pa lang sa reformation . How much more kita na ni dawat na lanbg ug information and seats where we comfortable at ?

In short that is just the way it is because someone more wiser than you is telling you.
This is not an acceptable answer to me. That is not even an answer.
Its like asking someone why are you believing this instead of answering the question someone is telling you that someone is wiser than you says so.
The Bible is not even close to this but the Bible is an open book of full of meaning and explanation.
Yes it has been dealt long back during the reformation by force through violence, intimidation and torture.
But by the grace of God the inquisition has failed and the Bible was openly published.
But now RC is using manipulation.
This is a tactic of satan - If coercion doesn't work use manupulation we have past the era of Coercion ie inquisition we are in a time of manipulation by the whore.

It is not a careful study bai , it is more on something he does not disagree with during those turbulent times of Christianity . Mind you , Martin Luther was an Augustinian monk , under the philosophy and teachings of St. Augustine of Hippo , considered as one of the church's greatest doctors and faith defender .

Then what is the 95 thesis?
Although Luther's protest was a very primitive form of todays protestant christians.
Yes Luther was brilliant man that is why he was able to see through deception and corruption by the light of the scriptures in the Bible.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1 Thessalonians 5:21

Most Catholics ? Haha ! You are clearly joking bai . How can one distort the meaning of the doctrines when that someone is the oldest practicing Christian denomination ? Mao bitaw pwerting daghana versions sa bible karon.

We don't need to rely on the church bro. Read the Bible it is the oldest source of God's word.
it is the oldest pagan religion and rc claims to have the sole authority of the bible then why so many contradictions to your traditions it is an entity that changes the word of God it is the antichrist.
Yes there are many versions but consider how corrupted the latin vulgate is compared to the original manuscripts.
You see treating Bible as a blurry inaccurate and inconsistent is and was the very attitude when the time the RC tried to eradicated people who publish the Bible to the public. They want people to be in a spiritual darkness and blindness.
I don't see any scripture that says the Bible should not be openly red and taught but instead it needs to be proclaimed. If they are keeping the Bible to themselves away from the public it is because they are hiding something that is not according to God's word or the scriptures.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isiah 8:20

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”
2 Timothy 3:16

On some protestant denominations why do you think that they would recommend bringing the Bible with them it is because they have nothing to hide that contradicts the Bible. Why is it so hard for you people to practice christianity that is according to the scriptures? Why is it so hard for you to be transparent?

Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
John 18:20

“God has preserved His inspired Word for us. It is preserved in the Hebrew Masoretic text and in the Greek Textus Receptus. It is also preserved for us in the English in the King James Bible. What He at first inspired, the Lord God has now preserved. Therefore, when I hold the King James Bible in my hand, I hold the inspired text. It was inspired and now that inspired Word has been protected, preserved and provided for us!”

The initial protest of Martin Luther was the practice of indulgence. He stated that man should be forgiven Through Grace alone. Not salvation by wallet. RC is like LTO accepting money for the forgiveness of Sins even immunity to sins.

You are clearly living the age of modern times . That only justifies that the person you consider as authority is just . When the pope was selected to accept the task , wala na siya gi pugos , wala na siya mapya , wala na siya gi appoint etc . Unless you are talking about the black popes and the church leaders of the dark ages , daghan questionable gyud . This will direct you on the changes over the years . The change for the better .

Ikaw protestante ka ? What makes you think that you should follow Martin Luther's teachings also ? How sure are you that he is right ? Unless di ka protestant then it wont make any sense to you .

Nope we are not new age church in fact we strongly oppose it. New age churches are part of your ecumenical movement. We adhere to the true Christianity in the Bible the ones you killed the ones you tortured just by opposing your teachings. Thank God of the separation of Church and state, Thank God for the reformation.

Ikaw protestante ka ? What makes you think that you should follow Martin Luther's teachings also ? How sure are you that he is right ? Unless di ka protestant then it wont make any sense to you .

Did the inquisition not happen? Such a bloody past?
Why contradict the Bible? are you so guilty that you hid it from public view.

We are not even Lutheran Denomination. Is this how misinformed you are?
To no surprise this is how they taught you spiritual blindness.
Do you even know what is the meaning of Whore in the Bible?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@WengIA ....

Pwerting taasa na jud sa gi b utang nimo yet these are all of your interpretations lamang .

Lisod gyud ni siya i reconcile bai . It doesnt mean that you read the bible , it justifies everything . You are now clearly trying to impose that your interpretations are right and the church scholars are wrong . WOW !

Actually if it is not found in the bible , it doesnt mean it is non existent . Sama sa question nako , naay word na DISCTINT kaayo but you wont find that word in the BIBLE itself . You did not even answer that yet .

To sum it up , PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS and TRADITIONAL BELIEF'S ? of course adto gyud ka sa latter , it is what was believed and practice even from the heyday of the very people we are talking about .