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    Default Re: K-12 Are we ready? What's your take?


    Quote Originally Posted by Eve's Apple Project View Post
    I have no issue(or little issue) with the IDEA, but the Timing is clearly off. I think our priority should be JOB creation first before we move to K+12 or we do it simulationeously. & yes, WE are not ready. Go around public schools in the city & apil sad sa mga bukid & you'll see what i mean.
    Ang paghatag ug nindot nga program para sa education mao nay focus sa DepEd. Dili na nila directly concern ang jobs creation kay sa DOLE na. Actually, dili man problema ang trabaho mismo kay naay daghan. Daghan man job hirings and opportunities but the problem is lisod ma hire sa isa ka company kay dili competent. Regarding competency, daghan factors ana. Mao nay gi solusyonan sa DepEd. Mao nani ang atong gipangayo nga improvement. Push for the budget.

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    Default Re: K-12 Are we ready? What's your take?

    Quote Originally Posted by cliff_drew View Post
    Ang paghatag ug nindot nga program para sa education mao nay focus sa DepEd. Dili na nila directly concern ang jobs creation kay sa DOLE na. Actually, dili man problema ang trabaho mismo kay naay daghan. Daghan man job hirings and opportunities but the problem is lisod ma hire sa isa ka company kay dili competent. Regarding competency, daghan factors ana. Mao nay gi solusyonan sa DepEd. Mao nani ang atong gipangayo nga improvement. Push for the budget.

    I agree with you bai. Trabaho na sa DepEd. They are paid to do that. No arguement about that.Pero like what you said, ang issue kay ang budget (which naay daghan issue karon nga gipugos ni nila). Our government was placed there not just to improve our education system. We expect them to give us a descent life. Look at all the current threads nga gipost, beggars, ofw, war against china, embarrasment sa sa sg..all those things are connected. We are a laughing stock sa atong mga silingan nga nasod because our government is not doing their jobs well. TS asked what is our opinion about k+12 & to my view, it doesnt solve our immediate problems. Yes we want our improve our education system(long term, we have to wait at least 14 years to see the result) para sad di ta mabiyaan. Pero even in our current system we have foreigners enrolling in our colleges kay barato & perhaps the quality is acceptable to them. Makes me think, Why are we rushing it if we dont have the budget? That's the reason why i am impartial about this issue.
    Last edited by Eve's Apple Project; 06-19-2012 at 11:58 PM.

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    Default Re: K-12 Are we ready? What's your take?

    Quote Originally Posted by gannie View Post
    Sa mga dagkong private schools, I think ready na . . . Sa public, I think dapat unahon ang mga kakuwang sa classroom, teachers, ug uban pang mga gikinahanglan sama sa libro ug uban pang mga instructional materials.

    Sakto bai..kung ako tagIya ko og private school bai aw, sos bisan k+20 pa uyon jud ko. Dli ra kaayo ipatukod og building ana. kana pa nga padayon ang negosyo..hahaha

    Pero public, ay nalang ta. Uban sad maestra diha dapat na tarongon og evaluate. Daghan dha di na kapasar. Kinahanglan na ilisan kay incompetent na kaayo. Let's remember nga the reason why we added a few more years kay tungod we want to improve the quality of education para sa atong mga bata, dili para security of tenure sa maestra nga pulpul.

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    Default Re: K-12 Are we ready? What's your take?

    I got this on Wikipedia ...
    In 2005, the Philippines spent about US$138 per pupil compared to US$3,728 in Japan, US$1,582 in Singapore and US$852 in Thailand.
    Do you think mao2x ra gihapon ang budget sa DepEd ? Kung na incresan man gani over the years , dili kaayo dako . Dako tuod budget sa Singapore and Japan pero they have a reputation nga nindot jud ang ila educational system .

    Although dako2x ang budget sa Thailand pero "deteriorating" kuno ang quality sa ilang education according sa The Economist . Nag overpay sila sa salary sa mga teachers pero walay improvement ang quality sa ila education .

    Some argue that the focus on the tablets has distracted attention from a deeper malaise affecting Thai education. Although the proportion of children attending school has grown over the past decade, the quality of their education has deteriorated.

    The chief problem is that children’s educational attainments are falling, even as more money is being lavished on the schools. Thailand now spends about 20% of the national budget on education, more than it devotes to any other sector. The budget has doubled over a decade. Yet results are getting worse, both in absolute terms and relative to other countries in South-East Asia.

    Thailand’s own ombudsman reported earlier this year that, despite the extra cash, the national standardised examination results show that students’ scores in the core subjects of English, maths and science have been largely falling. The most recent Global Competitiveness Report from the World Economic Forum ranked Thailand a dismal 83rd in terms of its “health and primary education”, one of four basic indicators. This is below others in the region such as Vietnam and Indonesia; only impoverished Cambodia performs worse.

    Thailand’s scores on the respected international PISA test have remained almost static since 2003 whereas Indonesia, for instance, has been moving up from a lower base. In another recent competitiveness report Thailand ranked 54th out of 56 countries globally for English-language proficiency, the second-lowest in Asia.

    For a relatively affluent country that wants to escape the middle-income trap, such statistics are depressing. Employers lament that they have difficulty hiring people with basic reading and writing skills. As a result, positions often go unfilled, or insufficiently qualified people have to be taken on. Productivity suffers as a result.

    Why does Thailand fare so badly? Somkiat Tangkitvanich, an expert at the Thailand Development Research Institute, claims that there is no mystery. Most of the swelling education budget has gone on higher pay for teachers (who now often earn more than the starting salary of a university lecturer), yet no improvement in performance has been extracted in return.

    SOURCE: Education in Thailand: Let them eat tablets | The Economist
    Last edited by FAQ; 06-20-2012 at 07:08 PM.

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    Default Re: K-12 Are we ready? What's your take?

    Quote Originally Posted by FAQ View Post
    I got this on Wikipedia ...


    Do you think mao2x ra gihapon ang budget sa DepEd ? Kung na incresan man gani over the years , dili kaayo dako . Dako tuod budget sa Singapore and Japan pero they have a reputation nga nindot jud ang ila educational system .

    Although dako2x ang budget sa Thailand pero "deteriorating" kuno ang quality sa ilang education according sa The Economist . Nag overpay sila sa salary sa mga teachers pero walay improvement ang quality sa ila education .
    Dili ni per student but mao ni ang total budget allocation for this year.

    The DepEd budget was increased by 15 percent from P207 billion in 2011 to P238.8 billion in 2012, which is being utilized to address the basic education input gaps, among others.
    Source: The K to 12 Basic Education Program | Official Gazette of the Republic of the Philippines

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    Lisod jud ni macompare atong system vs sa system sa laing nasod. Ubos jud ta, Yet youll see a lot of pinoy graduates working outside the country compared to those other countries. Why is that? We don't excell in schools but we know how to work.

    Parehas sa ako sulti ganiha, need to check on our teachers sad kay daghan diha way ayo. Labi na sa public. Ang uban wa nay angay magmaestra kay nagpaabot ra sa sweldo, cge lang pangutang then magyawyaw nga gamay ra silag sweldo..toink. Karon nga dako na ilang sweldo, lets see kung mo improve ba sad ialng performance..lets wait 14 yeears..hahaha

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    Default Re: K-12 Are we ready? What's your take?

    ^Mag depende ra gihapon na sa studyante bai ug sa ginikanan pod.

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    ^ sakto bai..depende sa studyante, school, & of course ginikanan. Mao ta jud na ang perfect combination para sa isa ka progisibo nga nasod og epiktibo nga systema sa edukasyon. Mao ning halos tanan aning issue sa politics kay connectado. I am always an advocate on local job creation ( and education, not necesarily ang formal but ang practical).Para di na manglangyaw ang mga tao sa gawas sa nasod. So if wala nay mo larga, completo na ang pamilya. Mao sad ning rason nga impartial ko aning ilang move nga K+12. Daghan pa kaayong lapses, gidali-dali ra. Mura bag naa silay giapas, nga kung bout hunahuna-on mas daghan ta og issues mas importante pa ani. Good luck nalng nato ani kay wa ra gihapon tay mahimo. Buta og bungol man gud ning atong gobyerno. Pilion ra ang sayon, likayan ang lisod..wahahaha

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    For me why ni support ko sa K12 kay mao man gud ni ang usa sa priority sa current administration. Karon na ang panahon nga matagad ang education kay dugay na nga walay gihatag nga support sa government. Are we ready? Actually no. Lack of classrooms, facilities, books, teachers. Daghang kuwang. Daghang problema. As what I've said sa lain thread, mao bitaw ni gi hinay-hinayan ug gisulosyunan sa atong government particularly sa DepEd. Unya na ni nato i implement kung nus-a nata ready unya dili na priority? where naay transparency kung asa padung ang budget?

    Decongestion of curriculum -- kita nga naka graduate na ma feel gyud nato nga daghang walay gamit nga subjects. Sa teachers nga part, chance na nila nga ma master nila ilang expertise. Kay sa tinud-anay, daghan au incompetent nga mga teachers. Usa sa reason nga incompetent sila kay padal-on ug subjects nga dili nila expert. Kataw-anan kaau kay sauna, ang among teacher nga major in English gipadala ug Math nga subject. Naa pud uban teachers nga dili hilig mag discuss, tagaan ra ug topic ang mga students unya ipa report sa klase. Hahaha, those were the days. Sa K12, as much as possible gi inline ang curriculum sa actual world, kung unsay ilang nakat-onan sa klase kay gamit gyud sa ilang pagpanarbaho. Mao na ang reason nga naay additional two years, dili lang kay para maabot ug 12 years ang basic education para ma level sa ubang countries. Additional two years para ma train ug ma enhance ang ilang skills ug ma assess asa sila maau or expert. Automatic TESDA certified pa. Gamit kaau sa employment bisan pa dili nila kaya mag college. Usa pa, naa nay agreement nga dawaton ang mga graduates sa mga companies nga ni support ani nga program. Ug inig graduate 18 na nga mao requirement sa companies para makasulod ug trabaho. Mostly sa atong mga highschool graduates kay nag lisod pangita ug trabaho kay dili pa madawat tungod sa edad. Ang uban mameke nalang ug school credentials para makasulod ug trabaho.

    Quality education -- this is our aim gyud. More trainings sa mga teachers, nindot nga facilities and equipments para sa school. If competent ang teacher much as well ang mga students. Mostly ang nag aim ani kay mga private schools ra, ang mga public basta maka graduate na sakto na. As I see it, this is also an opportunity para sa mga education graduates. Asa na ang mga maau nato nga mga maestra either nag call center or nag trabaho nga dili inline sa ilang gi eskwelahan. Let's encourage them to teach and apply their profession.

    Lack of classrooms, facilities, books, competent teachers, salary increase -- mao ni concern gyud. As I reiterated all over again, since priority sa current admin ang K12, gitagaan gyud ni ug enough budget. Dili mani masulbad in days. Kinahanglan sad ta mosabot. Mao man gyud ni ang mga concerns sauna pa but ang nakalahi karon kay gitagad naning mga problemaha.
    Last edited by cliff_drew; 06-21-2012 at 12:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve's Apple Project View Post
    ^ sakto bai..depende sa studyante, school, & of course ginikanan. Mao ta jud na ang perfect combination para sa isa ka progisibo nga nasod og epiktibo nga systema sa edukasyon. Mao ning halos tanan aning issue sa politics kay connectado. I am always an advocate on local job creation ( and education, not necesarily ang formal but ang practical).Para di na manglangyaw ang mga tao sa gawas sa nasod. So if wala nay mo larga, completo na ang pamilya. Mao sad ning rason nga impartial ko aning ilang move nga K+12. Daghan pa kaayong lapses, gidali-dali ra. Mura bag naa silay giapas, nga kung bout hunahuna-on mas daghan ta og issues mas importante pa ani. Good luck nalng nato ani kay wa ra gihapon tay mahimo. Buta og bungol man gud ning atong gobyerno. Pilion ra ang sayon, likayan ang lisod..wahahaha
    Para nako bai ayos kaau ni kay daku na kaau ning opor2nidad sa mga walay ikagasto ug college. Naa may daghan trabaho sa ato bai pero gamay lang ang qualified. Ug sa ako tan aw bisan muabot na ang tym nga daghan na investors ang pinas dili gihapon na makausab sa taw bai, muabroad ra gihapon ta, kay ang taw walay katagbawan cge ta pangita ug daku daku daku DAKU jud nga sweldo. Ang sweldo pod dili ing ana kasayon pag usab.

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