Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Miguel Angel Cotto May 5,2012

[Bongoton]

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Everyone needs to plant their feet to throw power punches, but Pacquiao can also punch on the fly. and by the way, Floyd doesn't call himself Pretty Boy anymore (PBF).. Money na kuno na cya.. dugay na tong pretty boy cya.. hehehe

And Pacquiao has SCARY power. Alvarez is a hard puncher but he never hurt Mosley, let alone have him run for dear life like Pacquiao did. Ask Miguel Cotto too, and soon enough, we can add Tim Bradleys testimonial as well. hehehe

[maddox22]

Most people think that in order to beat Mayweather you need to come up with a strategy to break his defense. That is true and Cotto was able to work his left jab through that defense and was also able to land a couple of body shots. But what Cotto failed to realize, and probably the rest of the world, is that Mayweather, aside from being a defensive genius, is also a very very good offensive player.

To beat Mayweather you not only need to break his defense, you also need to have a very good defense yourself. If Cotto was able to put on a better defense he probably would have scored a draw or even win - or even stopping Floyd.

Before the fight, I really thought Floyd would bruise and bleed Cotto's face to the point of stopping the fight. But I was wrong. It turned out that Floyd really had no power even to bruise Cotto's 'paper bag' face. Magulang lang siguro gamay ni iya kumo kang Malignaggi.

@Bongoton, you're right bro. Cotto is indeed the better fighter. It has been very long since Mayweather really got into a fight like that. That fight placed Mayweather in a situation where wits and intelligence was no longer enough to fend off the attacker. He needed to harness what physical strength he had.

Truly the left straight punch or jab is Mayweather's krytonite. It's now clear and evident why he does all he can to avoid Pacquiao.

[lhorenzoo]

wa man maguba ang nawng ni miguel , menos og gibug-aton ang kumo ni floyd. kon kumo kaha to ni pacquiao ni connect sa nawng ni floyd noh? i can still remember cotto on bicycly mode against the pac man when he tasted the canvas two times and also shane mosley.they were in retreat mode already when they tasted the pac mans punching power

[edoy]

nitan-aw ko gbei sa replay abe nako ug nag slow-mo ang cam, ang ma kumo man diay ni mayweather nga mabasa na diay, indication lang nga si mayweather ni weathered na ang iyang mga movements. although cotto was a bit slow, but it was a great performance on how he exposes mayweather.

[zarbinwakz]

I agree with your projection. I had Pacquiao at 30% chance of beating Mayweather before this fight, now i'll give him 35-40% (whereas everyone else between super featherweight and light middleweight has a <25% against him). He's probably the best out there, even better than Pacquiao, but that doesn't mean anything if he tries to abstain from a fight with Pacquiao. Great analysis.

thanks for the kind words

[lhorenzoo]

i think manny has a great chance of beating mayweather if floyd fights like the way he did against cotto. now cotto has given freddie roach a blue print on how to beat mayweather.

[trollolol]

okay. I want you to compare PBF's previous fights, particularly Ortiz's and Corales'. He is fighting with guys who are moderately strong and moderately fast--Those are considered to be PBF's toughest fights. I disagree that Floyd is faster than Pac. In fact, PBF's handspeed pales (yes you heard it right) compared to Pacquiao's. PBF is good at rolling out of jabs and straights, but you give him a volume of punches like Pacquiao's combinations coming from awkward angles, it will hit him. Cotto revealed this in the last fight--and that's Cotto we're talking about, not nearly as fast as Pacquiao but arguably equal in power. Mayweather has never, ever fought a guy who has both speed and power packed into one.

anyway, what fighter can land a powershot or throw combinations without planting their feet? you don't see punches on the fly do anything significant, except for points. Please enlighten.

What Cotto has that worked well for him that Pac does not is a useful jab. Cotto is a lefty using his dominant arm to jab and he has the best power jab in boxing today. Much of what Cotto landed were jabs that were enough to bust open Mayweather's nose because it was his dominant hand. All the lefties that gave Mayweather trouble had good jabs. Pac's jab is sh!t.

Everybody plants their feet before they start punching. I should have made myself clearer. Pac is predictable in that his flurry is from a hop that precedes his offense. A slower Marquez countered his every entry easily despite being the less athletic fighter simply because of this technical flaw. Pac has trouble setting his power shots from jabs so he has to rely on foot speed.

How does Pac have faster hand speed than Mayweather when the jab being the fastest punch in boxing is a skill Pac has not mastered? Pac has stupendous foot speed I wouldn't argue with that but as for hand speed it is obviously May>Pac.

Pac's angles (every pinoys favorite pac "skill") is dependent on him being able to set his position on his opponent's weak side. Where were those angles against old man Marquez? Pac had to resort to jab-jab-left all throughout the fight because he got countered hard every time he attempted to be flashy.

Corales and Ortiz are bad examples. Floyd figured them all out easily. They were far from being Floyd's toughest fight.

[Bongoton]

I agree that the jab is a very effective punch if anybody wants to be effective vs. Mayweather, but let's not forget that Pacquiao is a southpaw, and Floyd is vulnerable to left hands (Judah and Corley fights come to mind). His main weapons would be his right hook, lead left hand (almost like a jab) and of course his patented left straight. Pacquiao is a dyamic puncher, and if Floyd lays on the ropes like he did in the Cotto fight, he wouldn't only get a bloody nose, that's for sure.

Basing how Pacquiao would fare against Mayweather by his fight against Marquez is flawed. Marquez and Mayweather are both master counter punchers but are also night and day when it comes to style. Floyd does not have Marquez beauty of combination punching and the guts to fight fire with fire. Marquez was so effective against Pacquiao because he takes risks, something Mayweather doesn't do. Floyd uses his athleticism and superb defense to find holes in his opponents, but he's mostly pot shotting when countering. He does not put his punches together that much because if he does, chances are he will be open himself for a counter punch.

Have you seen Floyd throw the right hook that hit Cotto's left jaw, and sometimes his gloves? It looks like it took 48 hours to get there. Floyd's reflexes are great, and he's so quick in evading a punch and deliver a punch of his own, but if you talk about putting punches together, he seems rather slow compared to Pacquiao. I guess that's why some people are saying Manny is faster than Floyd. I think Floyd is quick, Manny is fast.

Again we're only here to speculate, and this is not what boxing is all about. That's why they FIGHT THE FIGHTS! Experts can be rendered stupid after a fight predicting a totally different outcome. A prime example is Mayweather-Cotto, when almost everyone thinks its gonna be an easy night for Floyd. WE WERE WRONG, ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

Cotto forced Mayweather to fight hard. It wasn’t a “choice” that Floyd made “for the fans.” -- Doug Fischer

LOL! AMEN !!

[Bongoton]

wa man maguba ang nawng ni miguel , menos og gibug-aton ang kumo ni floyd. kon kumo kaha to ni pacquiao ni connect sa nawng ni floyd noh? i can still remember cotto on bicycly mode against the pac man when he tasted the canvas two times and also shane mosley.they were in retreat mode already when they tasted the pac mans punching power

I disagree that menos ug gibug aton ang kumo ni Floyd. His power is underrated. He hurt Cotto in the 12th round and he could have KOed him if he took the chance, but he didn't and I knew it. I also thought that Cotto felt Floyd's power early mao perti gyud niya cover inig atake and he abandoned his jab for a while. Cotto knew Floyd can hurt him.

Pacquiao's power on the other hand is SCARY. Wa gyud ta kita ni Mosley nag sigeg atras gawas sa fight nila Pacquiao. Wa gyud gani kapadagan si Alvarez nga kadako adto, bug at pa gyud kinumo. gi kaon ra ni Mosley.. hehehe

[Bongoton]

Most people think that in order to beat Mayweather you need to come up with a strategy to break his defense. That is true and Cotto was able to work his left jab through that defense and was also able to land a couple of body shots. But what Cotto failed to realize, and probably the rest of the world, is that Mayweather, aside from being a defensive genius, is also a very very good offensive player.

To beat Mayweather you not only need to break his defense, you also need to have a very good defense yourself. If Cotto was able to put on a better defense he probably would have scored a draw or even win - or even stopping Floyd.

Before the fight, I really thought Floyd would bruise and bleed Cotto's face to the point of stopping the fight. But I was wrong. It turned out that Floyd really had no power even to bruise Cotto's 'paper bag' face. Magulang lang siguro gamay ni iya kumo kang Malignaggi.

@Bongoton, you're right bro. Cotto is indeed the better fighter. It has been very long since Mayweather really got into a fight like that. That fight placed Mayweather in a situation where wits and intelligence was no longer enough to fend off the attacker. He needed to harness what physical strength he had.

Truly the left straight punch or jab is Mayweather's krytonite. It's now clear and evident why he does all he can to avoid Pacquiao.

I thought Cotto had good defense. He made Mayweather miss and a lot of Floyd's punches landed on his gloves. He was hit because Floyd is a superb counterpuncher, and Cotto needs to throw punches and make damage. Diha mo sud ang kinumo ni Floyd.

I was impressed with Floyd as a fighter in this fight. Cotto, I already know what kind of a fighter he is, but Floyd showed he's not that bad either.. LOL.. bitaw, if only Mayweather tested himself against THE BEST more often, not handpicked opponents who has no chance of beating him, he would already be considered an all time great as early as now. Karon, he's just a future Hall of Famer, nothing more.

Overall it was good boxing weekend. I enjoyed the fights! (except Vargas-Forbes)