"There is no conflict between religion and science"

[3nZ0y]

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And it took you guys this long to figure that out?

For one, we are not always online. Second, we don't just blurt out what we 'believe' in. Ever heard of caution and prudence?

Perhaps that is one thing religion forgot.

[3nZ0y]

The more you understand science the more you will understand the depth and wisdom of the supreme architect, everytime you discover or uncover something new, mother nature will create something far better. The farther they reach the ends of the universe, the more they realize the enormous depth, understanding the micro-world, move to the nano-world, sub-atomic particles, and perhaps another sub-sub-atomic particle, after which they will realize the exitence of the soul that exist between these - nano-nano-nano particles - something coming form nothing and nothing coming from something...search for knowledge will continue and continue and finally realize that for many to see is to believe, but for others to believe is to see...science is the best tool to understand the wonders of God's creation,

greater yet, are those who have not seen yet believe...

Point taken. But sometimes, people just don't call it 'god'. Perhaps they call it 'the divine creator', 'nature' and many more. Is that wrong? I personally don't think so.

[hexo]

actually there is always conflict when you're dealing with faith vs logic.

[Kenshiro]

"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
-Isaac Newton

"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity."
-Sir Francis Bacon(pioneer of the scientific method)

say your excuses

[freesoul]

"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
-Isaac Newton

"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity."
-Sir Francis Bacon(pioneer of the scientific method)

say your excuses

Nice input.

We should not complicate things. Religion and Science comes hand in hand but in different views but in the end it always boils down that there is a Supreme Being that created all this.

We humans don't have all the answers that is why science is finding proof to back their conclusions. Religion may lack the physical evidence but compensates it with faith. Faith that a Supreme Being created the universe.

[EsoyLegaspi]

For many, it is very difficult for them to accept that there is indeed a mega-supreme intelligence that exist out there, just because they cannot see or measure it, as perhaps no instrument-(kirlian-photography) at the moment can still link with the existence of "super-natural" things like the soul/spirit.

Unfortunately, many are trying to create divisiveness between science and religion. What these divisive people do not understand are hat what governs the "laws of physics", chemistry, other sciences, and other natural laws - is the mega-supreme - spiritual law. These spiritual law works through physics and other sciences, hence, there is always an explanation, when you manipulate - matter and work into it's sub-sub-sub atomic particles.

Hence, some scientist can explain certain phenomena as probabilistic coincidence and using mathematical permutations - come up with a statiscal relationship of cause and effect, etc., what they do not see is the big picture, just like when the Isralites destroyed the walls of Jericho - was actually an application of harmonics ( exactly the same technology that enables us to communicate with our cell-phone, such technology) God works through science, because God created science- through sheer wisdom and understanding.

What we are witnessing right now are technolgies that many are impressed but God's technology is presently far far far superior than what we have achieved. Such that, if we are very much impressed with security CCTV's and cameras, wait till you see the CCTV of God, that can rewind and replay all your past - deeds, even before you were born.

The bible is full of "mysteries" yet really follow and have a logical - physical laws that followed the process or system- just like when the Pharoah opposed the release of Isralites - all the diseases and destruction was already predicted by Moses warning, Scientist explained the "RED" tide - etc., etc., etc., and microbial interaction, etc., and is not a mystery. Of course, it should not be a mystery because that is exactly how God works.

Diseases like Aids, Herpes, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, and other STD's are these man-made, man-induced or sheer punishment ? - science definitely can explain about the bacterial evolving - but the real real root cause of all these is SIN. Transgression against the fundamental laws of God and the consequence.

Once man- finds a solution to AIDS, then super AIDS - mother nature will come up with the next big challenge..

Do you think the floods, earthquake, storms, are following natural laws??
JC has showed us how JC can stop the storm, why can't we or our church leaders change the direction or stop the storm?? Something is not right in our teaching and understanding...

[hitch22]

"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
-Isaac Newton

"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity."
-Sir Francis Bacon(pioneer of the scientific method)

say your excuses

True, both are great intellectuals and both said those words. But I would be more circumspect in choosing characters to defend, say, Christianity. Perhaps in defense of theism in general...but still I haven't seen any intellectual debates employ this tactic. I'll tell you why.

Isaac Newton does not believe in the Trinity. He harbored the heretical anti-Trinitarian belief called Arianism. Below is Newton's criticism of this verse from 1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

In all the vehement universal and lasting controversy about the Trinity in Jerome's time and both before and long enough after it, this text of the "three in heaven" was never once thought of. It is now in everybody’s mouth and accounted the main text for the business and would assuredly have been so too with them, had it been in their books.

Let them make good sense of it who are able. For my part, I can make none. If it be said that we are not to determine what is Scripture what not by our private judgments, I confess it in places not controverted, but in disputed places I love to take up with what I can best understand. It is the temper of the hot and superstitious art of mankind in matters of religion ever to be fond of mysteries, and for that reason to like best what they understand least.

* Newton's Anti-Trinitarianism is well documented in his biographies.

As great an intellectual as he is, Newton wasn't spared from believing in wacky stuffs like alchemy and he would spend nights locked up in his room, trying to transmute lead into gold. And then there's his famous exchange with Leibniz. When Newton couldn't explain why the stars wouldn't collapse into each other, he proposed that God actively intervened to put orbits on an even keel. Leibniz teased him on this by asking why God couldn't have got it working right in the first place. Of course, Einstein showed why this is so without the need to invoke divine intervention.

On Francis Bacon. Yes, another great philosopher and scientist, father of the Baconian method (the scientific method). Does he use reason for his belief in God? Apparently not, for he said in his De augmentis: "The more discordant, therefore, and incredible, the divine mystery is, the more honour is shown to God in believing it, and the nobler is the victory of faith." To put in another way, the greater the absurdity, the stronger his belief in it.

Bacon believed that religion and philosophy must be separated and he admittedly observed a positive correlation between Atheism and civil times.

..that men should not unwisely mingle or confound these learnings together.

It were better to have no opinion of God at all than such an opinion as is unworthy of him. . . . And, as the contumely is greater towards God, so the danger (of superstition) is greater towards man. . . . Atheism did never perturb states, and we see that the times enclined to Atheism (as the time of Augustus Caesar) were civil times.

Lastly, Bacon was said to be a "pederast"...a pedophile in today's terms. His own colleague at the Parliament, Simonds D'Ewes, wrote about Bacon:

yet would he not relinquish the practice of his most horrible & secret sinne of sodomie, keeping still one Godrick, a verie effeminate faced youth, to bee his catamite and bedfellow.

Even Bacon's mom complained about his son's companions.

[petite fleur]

The Lord has done many great things for me and HOLY is his name.
Blessed are you people who believe.
God bless you all.

[SioDenz]

The Lord has done many great things for me and HOLY is his name.
Blessed are you people who believe.
God bless you all.

how about for those people who dont believe? or the Anti-God?

[tokidoki]

For one, we are not always online. Second, we don't just blurt out what we 'believe' in. Ever heard of caution and prudence?

Perhaps that is one thing religion forgot.

That excuse doesn't make sense. When I said "long" i meant "years". Somehow your claim that you're "not always" online is below the range of the topic itself.

You mean to say that you guys go online every few years to debate about religion? kinsa man diay na nakiglalis sa mga non-catholics using YOUR usernames? Inyong kalag?