Evangelicals/Reforms/Baptists/Born Again

[malic_2]

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I shared my opinion about your topic. Did I say you are wrong? I quoted your topic since your the thread starter. Nevermind if I included your name on the quote. It wasn't my intention

now its clear. thank you for sharing your thoughts Cliff.

[redhorse1L]

Wrong. The thief did not atone himself because he is a sinner. It is Jesus who become a substitutionary atonement for the thief and for all of us sinners to the Father. Ang gibuhat nga repentance sa thief is not "Work" but Faith. Because work is of the flesh. Repentance is not work of the flesh, it is cessation from the flesh, because it involves humility nga moangkon ta nga makasasala ta.

Salvation is by faith alone and not of works.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Wow! never in the bible said about faith alone.
Naa nuon "NOT by faith alone".

Ang misconception man gud aneh, fundamentalists think that Catholics believe that we are saved by are own works. That is a heresy authored by Pelagius, thinking that we can go to heaven by our own hardworks.

That is why, salvation should be "SOLA GRATIA". Saved by grace alone. Through LIVING FAITH. Dili kay shagit2x ra ka ug "I AM SAVED". Dapat, tinud-anay na imong faith. And James gave us examples of those living faith. Dili hypocrito nga hatag2x ug tithes, or hypocrito nga ampo2x, kanta2x.

Tell me fundamentalists, why believe in something that is NOT written in the Bible?

[SioDenz]

The thief's salvation is unique. By hanging on the cross pila ka oras is a form of sacrifice, that is where his flesh is working.

He did Not choose to be there, he was Crucified remember? Serving life sentence for the Crime you commit Because your were caught is Not a Good work - you dont have a choice. Sacrifice is something you yourself will Do not because you are forced to do it.

[SioDenz]

you got a lot of things to prove here sir. first, you need to provide us any information that negates any fact that this guy never did any good deeds during his lifetime before he died. Next is, you need to explain to us why would he be saved according to the process of the New Covenant when Jesus had not yet died when he made that confession? Remember this that the new covenant was non operational at that time because Jesus had not resurrected from the dead. kana lang sa kay maglibog nya ka. sige tira unsay tobag nimo.

First, He confessed of being a criminal. If you believe that good work is a requirement then may i ask you some questions:

“FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD” Romans 3:23 - How can a Man be saved if ALL mankind come short of the Glory of God because ALL have sinned? good works?

And whats your interpretation on this if sakto ka?
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Jesus told the Man that he will be with Him in paradise - why do you need other explanation?

that's your problem nganong pataka mo og interpret.

And only your interpretation is correct? the rest are sayop?

Putting some sort of insult on almost all your reply mr malic doesnt make you Correct, it does not make you great above others and it will Not gain any respect from others you want to send your message to - Unless you are just posting here insulting others to prove that your above them. Peace

[SioDenz]

Wow! never in the bible said about faith alone.
Naa nuon "NOT by faith alone".

Ang misconception man gud aneh, fundamentalists think that Catholics believe that we are saved by are own works. That is a heresy authored by Pelagius, thinking that we can go to heaven by our own hardworks.

That is why, salvation should be "SOLA GRATIA". Saved by grace alone. Through LIVING FAITH. Dili kay shagit2x ra ka ug "I AM SAVED". Dapat, tinud-anay na imong faith. And James gave us examples of those living faith. Dili hypocrito nga hatag2x ug tithes, or hypocrito nga ampo2x, kanta2x.

Tell me fundamentalists, why believe in something that is NOT written in the Bible?

then explain

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

-especially the NOT OF WORKS portion.

[necrotic freak]

ang interpretation nga walay authority sa nag compile sa bible mismo is WRONG.

pag compile usa mo ug bible nga inyoha sio aron walay maka buot sa inyong interpretation.

[redhorse1L]

then explain

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

-especially the NOT OF WORKS portion.

That is why dili pahambugay ug kinsay dagko ihatag donation, or kinsay sige ug adto2x outreach program.

My question is, ngano motoo man mo nga FAITH ALONE, nga wala man sa bible? naa ka mabasa, pero NOT faith ALONE.

Mao bitaw ni-ingon ko nga dili ta mag-salig sa atong hinaguan. Dapat, it should be by Grace. Through "living" FAITH.

Basaha gud balik akong gi-explain.

[malic_2]

First, He confessed of being a criminal. If you believe that good work is a requirement then may i ask you some questions:

oh no you missed the point of my questions. read it again sir.

“FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD” Romans 3:23 - How can a Man be saved if ALL mankind come short of the Glory of God because ALL have sinned? good works?

no question about this. the issue is around Salvation, what does the bible say about being saved?

And whats your interpretation on this if sakto ka?
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

i'll take it and connect it with James...where it says man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Jesus told the Man that he will be with Him in paradise - why do you need other explanation?

because your interpretation contradicts what the bible has said.

And only your interpretation is correct? the rest are sayop?

we are looking for a more biblical interpretation here.

Putting some sort of insult on almost all your reply mr malic doesnt make you Correct, it does not make you great above others and it will Not gain any respect from others you want to send your message to - Unless you are just posting here insulting others to prove that your above them. Peace

don't be too sensitive. there was no insult in my previous post. pataka is the right word to describe what you are doing.

[SioDenz]

ang interpretation nga walay authority sa nag compile sa bible mismo is WRONG.

pag compile usa mo ug bible nga inyoha sio aron walay maka buot sa inyong interpretation.

Compilers and Interpreters are different things. Compilers and writers are also different things.
It doesnt mean nga ikaw nag compile ikaw ray dunay authority or knowledge to interpret.

I believe that we are created equal by God, i believe if unsa capacity sa utok atung imung gi ingun Compilers, mao ra sad atong utok, so if kahibalo sila musabot, kahibalo sad ta musabot sa teachings ni Kristo. - they did Not write the Book in the first place.

Why man ang gipili ni Kristo nga mga apostles gikan man sa ordinaroy/Kinaubsang level sa Society? fishermen? ordinaryong tawo? nganu ang so called founder sa catholic religion ordinaryong tawo man nga gihimu ni kristo nga Apostol to lead millions of people? - isa ray rasun ana pagpakita nga tanan pwedi mamahimung sumusunod ni kristo ug tanan pwedi makasabot sa iyang pulong bisag way compilers.

[SioDenz]

That is why dili pahambugay ug kinsay dagko ihatag donation, or kinsay sige ug adto2x outreach program.

My question is, ngano motoo man mo nga FAITH ALONE, nga wala man sa bible? naa ka mabasa, pero NOT faith ALONE.

Mao bitaw ni-ingon ko nga dili ta mag-salig sa atong hinaguan. Dapat, it should be by Grace. Through "living" FAITH.

Basaha gud balik akong gi-explain.

Faith alone kay if naa kay true Faith Automatic na mubuhat jud ka ug tarung.

ako i suwat ang binisaya:

2:8 Kay tungod sa grasya kamo nangaluwas pinaagi sa pagtoo; ug kini dili sa inyong kaugalingong kahimoan, kini hatag sa Dios--
2:9 dili tungod sa mga binuhatan aron walay bisan kinsa nga magapasigarbo.

-"Ug kini dili sa inyong kaugalingong kahimoan, kini hatag sa Dios" - klaru kaayu nga DILI sa atung KAHIMUAN kay HATAG sa DIOS meaning Gift.
-nya unsaon man nimu pag justify nga ni ingun man sa Bibliya nga ang TANAN nakasala ug nawad-an ug Himaya sa DIOS. If ang imung requirements GOOD works pa hagbong na daan kay tanan nakasala man - unless naa kay ikapakita nga naay Pass/Fail criteria ang good works.
- Mao bitaw ang tawo maluwas ra if hatagan sa GASA sa kaluwasan, nya hatagan ka sa GASA if naay kay Tinuod nga PAgtuo.


2:9 dili tungod sa mga binuhatan aron walay bisan kinsa nga magapasigarbo. - Mao bitaw ni ako gi mean nga nganu wala gihimu ang Good works as Requirements kay tungod ani nga sitwasyun - nga Pwedi mubuhat an tawo ug Tarung kay nag huna huna siya maluwas bisag wala siya Tinuod nga FAITH. If naay sitwasyun nga Sama ani then ang teaching ni Kristo dili Perfect kay Dunay chance nga mahitabo ni. And i believe the God teachings are perfect so if the doctrine has some flaws or situation nga magka flaw then its not the correct doctrine for me.