Is Creationist Science Worth Believing?

[brownprose]

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This thread is created for the purpose of separating the discussion related to the other thread (The Great Flood). It is also best to have different insights as to the soundness of Creationism (as a method) to decipher Biblical events (like in Genesis for example) particularly those related to the origin of man and the earth or the universe as a whole.

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This is for the purpose of giving a chance for the believers of creationists to amply prove the soundness of their assertion.

[amingb]

God Creations is more than Scientific its a mystery ....

[brownprose]

Although not all, creationists also believe that the world was created literally in six days or what is commonly referred to as the "Abrupt Appearance Theory." Many conservative Catholics and fundamental Christians have more or less the same concept of Hexaemeron or technically, the work of creation in six days, as cited in the first chapter of Genesis.

[rcruman]

yes its scientific.

But first we need to settle what type of Creationism are you referring to.
are you referring to the usual creationism? that believed on 7days (24hrs/day) creation?

Bible and Science work together, but the bible focus more on Faith and Salvation.

Peace!

[brownprose]

yes its scientific.

But first we need to settle what type of Creationism are you referring to.
are you referring to the usual creationism? that believed on 7days (24hrs/day) creation?

I tend to generalize the creationists here to be those who believe in Young Earth Creationism which include those who believe in Abrupt Appearance or literally six days (24/7) or fiats of the creation in six literal days; those who believe that the Earth is "young", on the order of 6,000 to 10,000 years old, rather than the age of 5 billion years as calculated by modern and mainstream science;

Bible and Science work together, but the bible focus more on Faith and Salvation.
Peace!

I don't understand how/what you mean by "Bible and Science work together" although I agree with you that Bible focuses on faith and salvation.

[barcode 999]

Yes, creationism is scientific. but that depends on whose perspective your looking from! :mrgreen:

[brownprose]

Henry M. Morris, the Father of Modern Creation affirmed in his book that "The the biblical idea of creation can never be called "scientific," and why "scientific creationism" will always be a contradiction in terms." (Source: Henry D. Morris, The Genesis Record, p. 58. N. F. Gier, God, Reason, and the Evangelicals (University Press of American, 1987), Chapter 13.

[IdontCare]

Henry M. Morris, the Father of Modern Creation affirmed in his book that "The the biblical idea of creation can never be called "scientific," and why "scientific creationism" will always be a contradiction in terms." (Source: Henry D. Morris, The Genesis Record, p. 58. N. F. Gier, God, Reason, and the Evangelicals (University Press of American, 1987), Chapter 13.

let me repeat this one for you bro.

what Dr. Henry Morris meant by that is...dili scientific ang creationsim because we can never have the chance to put the earth inside sa lab para makakuha ta ug scientific explantion (mechanism) kung unsay sinugdan sa pagkahimugso sa kalibotan.

Ang science man gud bro before sila muhatag ug scientific conclsusion nga mo lead into formulating a scientific model first ila sa ng experimentohan. nya unsaon man nimo pag experimento sa kalibotan? masulod diay na nimo sa test tube or sa lab? DILI. so how can we come up with a SCIENTIFIC explantion kung dili nato na ma test under a microscope? Then sa pag himugso sa kalibotan wala man sila didto then wala man pud observable phenoemena kung na unsa pag himugso sa kalibotan.

example a certain scientist wanted to know the origin or the cause of a boiled water. So ilang buhaton ana bro is mag experiment na sila,they will examine all the possible angle kung unsaon pag boil ang water until makita nila ang way kung unsaon pag boil sa water.

Then from that experiment maka come up na sila ug mechanism para ma explain nila ang process sa pag boil ug water in a scientific way. Then after ana ang obang scientists ila pod ng e test kung sakto ba or tinood ba nga mo boil ang water using the mechanism used by the previous scientists, Now by following the same procedure then it yields the same result then ang science community mo pagawas dayun na ug conclusion. Mao na ang pamaagi sa Practical and applied science.

So unsaon man nila pag come up ug scientific explantion nga dili man masulod ang kalibotan sa lab? ug wala may observable phenomenom basing from the bible . Meaning dili man kita ang science sa Ginoo nga maoy nag buhat sa kalibotan. So therefore its not scientific.

But there are ways where we can prove that God created the earth,Science is not the only place where we can draw a conclusion nga ang Ginoo ang nag buhat aning kalibotana. Why limit the source sa pag pangita ug evidence when we know that science is not perfect in fact there are lots of things here that science can not explain.

[The_Child]

if you mean scientific as that which requires verifiability and factual basis, then


OF COURSE NOT. CREATIONISM IS NOT SCIENTIFIC.

[geoseph]

Genesis 1 (New International Version)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.