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    Default Filipino priest to be beatified in October


    MANILA -- The Philippines may soon have its third saint after the Vatican announced that Franciscan Capuchin Fr. Jose Maria de Manila (Eugenio Saz-Orozco) will be beatified on October 13.

    Cardinal Angelo Amato, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints, will lead the beatification ceremony to be held in Tarragona, Spain three months from now.

    "After that, he (Fr. Jose) will be known as the 'Blessed Jose Maria de Manila'," said CBCP News, the official news agency of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP).
    Fr. Jose Maria de Manila
    Portrait of Fr. Jose Maria de Manila (Photo provided (photo provided by the Capuchin Philippine Province)

    The CBCP News also quoted the Catholic Bishops' Conference of Spain as saying that Pope Francis will address via satellite from Rome those who will gather for the ceremony.

    Under the Catholic Church's canonization process, a miracle attributed through the intercession of the candidate would have to be recognized by the Church before he can be beatified or earn the title "Blessed."

    Another miracle would be required for him to be canonized and be proclaimed a "Saint."

    In the case of Fr. Jose, however, the miracle requirement for beatification can be waived due to his martyrdom.

    "For beatification of a martyr who died because of 'odium fidei,' (hatred of the faith) a miracle is no longer needed," explained Fr. Eugenio Lopez, provincial minister of the Capuchin Philippine Province.

    "But for canonization, a miracle is needed. So let's start asking for his intercession," he added.

    At present, San Lorenzo Ruiz and San Pedro Calungsod are the only two saints from the Philippines.

    Lopez said Fr. Jose was born in Manila on September 5, 1880 to Spanish parents Don Eugenio Saz-Orozco, the last Spanish mayor of Manila, and Doņa Feliza Mortera y Camacho.

    The missionary's baptismal certificate, however, could not be produced because it got burned during the "Liberation of Manila," Lopez said.

    "But his school records from the University of Santo Tomas (UST) showed he is 'natural de Manila.' All his biographies from Spain also showed he was born in Manila," he added.

    Based on records, Fr. Jose spent his initial years of education at the Ateneo de Manila University, San Juan de Letran, and UST. He stayed in the Philippines until he was 16 years old before pursuing further studies in Spain.

    Despite objections from his parents, according to Lopez, Jose fulfilled his desire to become a Capuchin priest.

    Records also showed that he had his simple profession in Lecaroz (Navarra, Spain) on October 4, 1905, while his solemn profession was held October 18, 1908. He was ordained a priest on November 30, 1910.

    Lopez said Fr. Jose "remained a Filipino at heart" throughout his years in Spain, desiring to return to the Philippines to serve the local Church.

    "Circumstances, however, prevented him to fulfill his dream of coming back to the land of his birth, yet he still offered his life for the Gospel he zealously preached in Spain and longed to proclaim in his native land," he said.

    Lopez stressed that the Capuchin priest was among the 500 Spanish martyrs who were forced to abandon their convents in Madrid and died in the religious persecution in the 1930s. These Spanish martyrs, who died due to the savage acts perpetuated by anarchist and Marxist troops against the Christian religion and their ministers, are awaiting beatification.

    It was on August 17, 1936 when the Filipino priest was executed at the gardens of the Cuartel de la Montaņa, a military building in Madrid.

    Lopez said that with Fr. Jose's beatification, the Capuchins in the Philippines are set to start introducing and promoting the devotion to the Filipino priest in parishes across the Philippines. (FP/HDT/Sunnex)
    Filipino priest Jose Maria de Manila to be beatified in October | Sun.Star

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    Funny. There seems to be a shortage of patron saints here in the philippines. Though I really don't bother with those things, but kidding aside one could wonder if this would help swoon the general population over the misgivings of the institution.

    They still have lots of assets and have huge capital and something such as this announcement does not change the fact they have lapses. For the naive and gullible especially those seeing only black and white, this could equate to a short term feeling of contentment.

    Stay happy and stupid they say.

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    Oh great, another Filipino beatified...

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.D. View Post
    Funny. There seems to be a shortage of patron saints here in the philippines. Though I really don't bother with those things, but kidding aside one could wonder if this would help swoon the general population over the misgivings of the institution.

    They still have lots of assets and have huge capital and something such as this announcement does not change the fact they have lapses. For the naive and gullible especially those seeing only black and white, this could equate to a short term feeling of contentment.

    Stay happy and stupid they say.
    OT:
    That is why we separate the church and the state,
    let the state handle the ramifications that you've mentioned
    and the church towards the salvation of the soul.
    It would be stupid enough to question one of them in behalf of the
    shortcomings of the other.

    ONT:
    His Spanish blood also quantify Spain
    in having a native Saint as well.

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    You should look at the church as a business model. Unfortunately some people will not agree with this view because they are beyond that because they are a class in itself, however with how they run things it definitely looks like an organization with a hierarchy and could be loosely compared to that of a business organization.

    The church will definitely disagree with some points I am stating since those two things are not relevant but they would even argue against some policies go against their interests even if it is remote to the point of being absurd and ludicrous and we have seen this many times.

    A church that has universities, hospitals, stores, and a bank is that a religious order or a conglomerate?

    I am not against the church it is just that they insist that they are actually better than anyone else.

    Separation of church and state? It's only in the books and never in practice.

    As for salvation, I would prefer to set up a microfinance initiative and provide easy access to credit to people all over the world. Teach them skills with no strings attached and encourage them to pass on what they have learned regardless of their beliefs. It would even be better to help them develop grass roots form of renewable energy and food production. Ask yourself, does the church even think about those things? Even a massive project to provide clean, potable water to remote locations? I doubt it.

    Quote Originally Posted by <SMILE> View Post
    OT:
    That is why we separate the church and the state,
    let the state handle the ramifications that you've mentioned
    and the church towards the salvation of the soul.
    It would be stupid enough to question one of them in behalf of the
    shortcomings of the other.

    ONT:
    His Spanish blood also quantify Spain
    in having a native Saint as well.

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    The Roman Catholic's version of American Idol, Americas/Britain Got Talent, The Voice and others....

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    M.A.D.
    You should look at the church as a business model. Unfortunately some people will not agree with this view because they are beyond that because they are a class in itself, however with how they run things it definitely looks like an organization with a hierarchy and could be loosely compared to that of a business organization.
    Well, business is something that you have to put up a certain amount,
    sell something and make a profit out of it. Nowadays it's not donations coming from proceeds from farmlands and livestocks that is needed for continuance of something being supported but through the monetary system.The church and the people who runs the church needs sustenance and they only get it through tithes and donations, I think no business is involved there, nothing is forced, any catholic church member could give or do otherwise, everything is consented towards the donor.


    The church will definitely disagree with some points I am stating since those two things are not relevant but they would even argue against some policies go against their interests even if it is remote to the point of being absurd and ludicrous and we have seen this many times.
    I could say, the main goal of the church is to survive the teachings and continue the divine mandate of saving the soul, sad to say that nowadays every undertakings do need financial aid, we are all humans after all, we have to pay bills, transportation, food, so on and so forth.

    A church that has universities, hospitals, stores, and a bank is that a religious order or a conglomerate?

    I am not against the church it is just that they insist that they are actually better than anyone else.
    So do you think that tithes and donations which are somehow not constant is enough to support the church, it's a clean way and somehow noble way of earning for the church. The church should do it's best to save souls as per how they are ordained.

    Separation of church and state? It's only in the books and never in practice.
    Is President Noy, a Roman Catholic Bishop or a Priest?
    Or is Miriam Santiago asking people to go to the church daily officiate a mass and asked catholic memebers to save their souls?

    As for salvation, I would prefer to set up a microfinance initiative and provide easy access to credit to people all over the world. Teach them skills with no strings attached and encourage them to pass on what they have learned regardless of their beliefs. It would even be better to help them develop grass roots form of renewable energy and food production. Ask yourself, does the church even think about those things? Even a massive project to provide clean, potable water to remote locations? I doubt it.
    I think the church's stance for humanitarian needs is through charities,
    it only needs to survive the economic challenge to run itself and save souls,
    not making any profit whatsoever.

    The Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization in the world.
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/micha...99364450111086

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    Ohh... semantics... I won't have any of that. The church has a lot of holdings and is doing quite well financially and all their books are in the black. With an influence such as theirs it is difficult if not impossible to separate them from government.

    Quote Originally Posted by <SMILE> View Post
    Well, business is something that you have to put up a certain amount,
    sell something and make a profit out of it. Nowadays it's not donations coming from proceeds from farmlands and livestocks that is needed for continuance of something being supported but through the monetary system.The church and the people who runs the church needs sustenance and they only get it through tithes and donations, I think no business is involved there, nothing is forced, any catholic church member could give or do otherwise, everything is consented towards the donor.




    I could say, the main goal of the church is to survive the teachings and continue the divine mandate of saving the soul, sad to say that nowadays every undertakings do need financial aid, we are all humans after all, we have to pay bills, transportation, food, so on and so forth.



    So do you think that tithes and donations which are somehow not constant is enough to support the church, it's a clean way and somehow noble way of earning for the church. The church should do it's best to save souls as per how they are ordained.



    Is President Noy, a Roman Catholic Bishop or a Priest?
    Or is Miriam Santiago asking people to go to the church daily officiate a mass and asked catholic memebers to save their souls?



    I think the church's stance for humanitarian needs is through charities,
    it only needs to survive the economic challenge to run itself and save souls,
    not making any profit whatsoever.

    The Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization in the world.
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/micha...99364450111086

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.D. View Post
    Ohh... semantics... I won't have any of that. The church has a lot of holdings and is doing quite well financially and all their books are in the black. With an influence such as theirs it is difficult if not impossible to separate them from government.
    Oh, spoken exactly like JUDAS did... when he asked Jesus to sell the expensive perfume used by the sinful woman to wash his feet.

    How about selling your own house to feed the poor?
    That would be a great Christian example to the Church, aint it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAlD|tO View Post
    The Roman Catholic's version of American Idol, Americas/Britain Got Talent, The Voice and others....
    except that these saints will be remembered forever... unlike fame seekers whose 15 minutes of fame will be up sooner than you have expected

    Saints, wether known, unknown or even not familiar to the Vatican are indeed God's Hall of Famers... im just thankful that a Filipino once again made it in the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.D. View Post
    You should look at the church as a business model.
    You must have looked up to Jesus as the greatest businessman,,, because his business, the Church is still operational after 2000 years of saving souls.

    He has created the greatest business model, because no other business has endured for a very long time, even if his Church is sometimes managed by some incompetent and unworthy managers.

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