Traditions and Freedom

[MrBiddle]

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Do you think families can sometimes go too far in oppressing their children for the sake of tradition and at the expense of free will to choose?

For instance, an Italian Father can discourage a daughter from marrying a Polish man because they are of different race.
But if passion and love is genuine, does love have it's strict guidelines the same as that of the Father's?

Or an Aunt who is entrusted to the care of her niece; - the niece has strained to avoid going with her Aunt to novenas and recital of litanies and rosaries because the young lady does NOT believe in what her Aunt believes. But knowing her Aunt is oppresive and would NOT allow her absence in the events; again for the sake of "family" tradition, the girl has grown distant to her Aunt.... and if she fails, her free will has been seized.

In other words, do you think some people go too far to oppress people of free will for the sake of old habits, formalities and traditions?

I mean, as long as no anarchy or chaos will be brought about by the one who is otherwise "enslaved", why not set him or her free?

Does freedom have to be out of the question because of what I have already stated above?

[iron_golem]

In other words, do you think some people go too far to oppress people of free will for the sake of old habits, formalities and traditions?

Yes I do think so. But I think this problem of freewill is not rooted on the old habit, formalities and traditions per se, it's how one undertands fully the essence of the formalities and traditions.

Mo amin pa gihapon ko sa akong mama ug papa, because I know it to be an act of honor and respect a child has for his parents. I do it by my own freewill, not because my father and mother demands it of me out of old habit or family tradition.

Certainly, when I become a parent too, I would prefer that I impart that family tradition to my children, to teach them early about respect for parents. But when they come to the age of reason, they then can choose to or not, not according to my demands. It would be a false sense of honor and respect if I do demand because it will go against their freewill.

In the case of the niece, you said it that her aunt was the one being oppressive. that's it. the niece, cannot objectively attribute the oppression to the "family tradition". It's like going for a swim and then blame the water for wetting your new shorts. The niece has to tell the aunt that she is not a small girl anymore and that she can think for herself and believe something for herself. she can choose to do so and act on it. why she seems afraid to do so is another matter.

[noelkoi]

Or an Aunt who is entrusted to the care of her niece; - the niece has strained to avoid going with her Aunt to novenas and recital of litanies and rosaries because the young lady does NOT believe in what her Aunt believes. But knowing her Aunt is oppresive and would NOT allow her absence in the events; again for the sake of "family" tradition, the girl has grown distant to her Aunt.... and if she fails, her free will has been seized.

these is one good example of TRADITION vs CHRISTIANITY.... :mrgreen:

shame for those elder people who passed on tradition and unknowingly stealing the right of freedom. that is why people go to church without knowing the his purpose. TRADITION MAN LAGI DAW......Â*

[MrBiddle]

In the case of the niece, you said it that her aunt was the one being oppressive. that's it. the niece, cannot objectively attribute the oppression to the "family tradition". It's like going for a swim and then blame the water for wetting your new shorts. The niece has to tell the aunt that she is not a small girl anymore and that she can think for herself and believe something for herself. she can choose to do so and act on it. why she seems afraid to do so is another matter.

Of course this doesn't mean it had to be a hierarchical spread from generation to generation but FAMILY TRADITION sometimes becomes the reason to justify the oppression.

[filipinoako2000200]

Yes sometimes too far.

[iron_golem]

Of course this doesn't mean it had to be a hierarchical spread from generation to generation but FAMILY TRADITION sometimes becomes the reason to justify the oppression.

Sometimes then. Not Always. Therefore not absolute and further not inherently bad. The folks who use that as reason to justify the oppression are the ones culpable of the oppression, and not the tradition itself. Only man can oppress his fellow man because only man has the freewill to do so.

[MrBiddle]

Only man can oppress his fellow man because only man has the freewill to do so.

All the oppresion that we talk about in context of this discussion is caused by man..... but it's the reason of tradition or old habit that can make it frustrating, especially if life can be lived without it.

[iron_golem]

Only man can oppress his fellow man because only man has the freewill to do so.

All the oppresion that we talk about in context of this discussion is caused by man..... but it's the reason of tradition or old habit that can make it frustrating, especially if life can be lived without it.

but there are more "undesirable", if you will, things in this life that make life all the more frustrating, and perhaps can be lived without them:
1) guns
2) harmful drugs
3) diseases
4)... etc.

[MrBiddle]

but there are more "undesirable", if you will, things in this life that make life all the more frustrating, and perhaps can be lived without them:
1) guns
2) harmful drugs
3) diseases
4)... etc.

Oppression that seeks to undermine freedom to choose is one of them.

As long as chaos will NOT be the result of the captive victim being set free, again in context of some of the things I have discussed in my initial post, then I say FREEDOM NOW!

[iloveyou4ever]

Mao mostly we go too far.