AMD Kaveri (A4? A8, A10) and FXs Steamroller Thread

[Jess_V]

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^bro, ang akong point ane kay 'mas changeable ug mobo ang AMD tungod kay gamay ra siya ug socket type. In other word, its easy to upgrade AMD mobo unlike Intel where matching mobo with cpu socket is like splitting hair.
Question - how many socket type does intel make?

[lloyd_joy]

^ bro,

did you research on the micro-architecture? mao na ang reason most of the reason why mag change ug socket... ang reason ana kay ang "Wafer Technology"... lain ang pin configuration man ang usually mo gawas maong, change socket on the number of pins...

hisgot lang ta's desktop CPU...

On Intel diretso lang ta's 1155... "Tik-tok"...

LGA 1155... Sandy Bridge (32 nm)... Ivy Bridge (22 nm)...
LGA 1150... Haswell (22 nm)... Broadwell (14 nm)
LGA 1151... Skylake (14 nm)... Cannonlake (10 nm)... kaning Cannolake, dili pa ni sure kun 1151 ba ni sya... pero, based sa upgrade history, mura...


On AMD... diretso lang ta's K10 microarchitecture

K10... AM3 (32 nm)
Bulldozer... AM3+ (32 nm)
Piledriver... AM3+ (32 nm)

kay wala ma'y FX na 28 nm... so, we're stuck into the AM3+ socket... kun naa, we don't know unsa ang socket na gamiton pud ani...


sa APU, historically, they have FM1, FM2 & FM2+... deads na ang FM1 and FM2 (but, compatible ni'g FM2+)... sa kani na fact, nag ilis ba ug platform ang AMD or wala? direct to the point ko ha... kana man gud na reasoning na gamit nimo about platform or socket change, kinara-an na sya bro... puro na sila pareho na maka upgrade ta... nag tan-aw baka sa upgrade path on both sides? mura'g wala ka mag consider noh...

LGA 1155... Celeron -> Pentium -> i3 -> i5 -> i7
LGA 1150... Celeron -> Pentium -> i3 -> i5 -> i7
AM3/AM3+.. Ahtlon II -> Phenom II -> FX...

note lang: not all AM3 mobo will support the FX CPUs... and not all AM3+ compatible mobos will support all FX CPUs... limitation ani kay ang power sa CPU. naa'y mobo na 95W CPU compatible lang then naa'y mobo na 140W CPU compatible lang... dili sila compatible sa 220W CPUs (FX-9370 & FX-9950)... ug naa'y mga AM3+ mobos na supported nila ang 220W CPUs...

dba, puro na sila naa'y upgrade path? now, ang pangutana... kun deads na ang CPU upgrade (wala na'y lain speed na gipagawas) on the supported microarchitecture sa mobo (naa na'y new micro-architecture ang ning gawas napud), are you willing to just settle on any available fastest CPU (supported by your current/old mobo) that you can buy bnew or used?... maong dili ko mo dawat anang reasoning na lisod ug upgrade either sa Intel or sa AMD if, supported micro-architecture lang ang I-upgrade... kanang flow sa taas, dba, that is an upgrade path? dili lang na sya upgrade path sa "Microarchitecture"... dili lang gyud mag pataka'g upgrade like, LGA 1155 Pentium, then gusto mo upgrade ug LGA 1150 na i7... sa kani na example, funny kaayo but true... so, ang labas, mag ilis ug platform...

pareha ra pud na kun sa AMD pud... naa ta'y FX (AM3+) then mag upgrade ta's upcoming Zen based CPUs... dili gyud pwede labi na, dili ni sya AM3+ platform... currently, Zen CPUs are intended for server market though... let's hope naa sila'y desktop variants ani...

[Jess_V]

Ang AMD nag changed of number of pins pero ang socket ilang gi retain as much as possible dili pareha sa Intel kay ang tanan ilisan. Kana ilang die manufacturer pareha ra na factory. Gamay ra die manufacturer worlwide. kanang "Wafer Technology" sa Intel apil pud na ilang marketing strategy. They can retain socket configuration if they want to but wheres the profit on that?
FYI - i don't sell/work for AMD.

Have you figured out how many type of 'sockets' Intel makes? Anyone?

[lloyd_joy]

sayop ka... dili na pareha silag wafer fab... "Intel and AMD manufactures their own wafers"... naa na sila'y mga wafer fab... ang packaging (Assembly) lang ug testing ang gi subcon ana nila but dili pud tanan. im here in the semicon industry bro... dili lang ta mag hisgot ana... kay daghan ko'g ma share gyud ani... mag audit ko'g mga wafer fab ug subcontractors for assembly and test as well as mag visit ko's mga SMT customer...

dili ni nato gamiton ang term aning marketing sa electronics industry kay given na... mao ni ang mga battle cry sa tanan companies diri na industry magmay man or madako... "Innovate or die"... mao ni ang reason, lugi kaayo ang AMD. kay kulang ang innovation nila...

kun mo enter ta aning PC DIY passion, kalimtan na natong socket change kay whether we like it or not, mag change man gyud na sila... ang atoang priority kay ang "Performance" (kun enthusiast level ta w/ bottomless pocket)... "Price" (kun limited budget ta)... "Performance to Price" (kun average budget ta)...

kun mo tambag ka, kani lang tulo ang basi-hi ai... mas better ni compared anang platform change justification...

just a word of advice from a person that's into this passion for more than 22 yrs... and counting...

[wylliexhan]

For me it doesn't matter if it is Intel or AMD, choose the best CPU that fits on your budget and the intended application you're using that you can benefit it. I don't have an on hand experience with AMD CPU's yet, but I'd surely recommend their iGPU CPU APU's like the A4, A6 and A8. When it comes to competition, for "me" my winner is Intel, each of us has its own likes and loyalty of a brand but it doesn't mean that you don't like the other offerings from the other brand also. Each of them has advantages and disadvantages, there are features which is useful to you on AMD side that you can't find on the Intel side, but there are also features in Intel side that can't be find in AMD side, so for "me" take granted and take opportunity for w/c is important to you on your CPU use para swak sa imong budget, wala koy gpaburan sa duha..choose what's the "best" for you..

[Jess_V]

think we all know which company you work with....
Sayup ka...Ang AMD is "fabless". Naa silay 'third-party para mohimo sa ilang chip - "Global Foundries". murag kulang pa ang 22 years nato bay da. Lisod naa ta trabahao sa usa ka vendor kay dili ta ka advise ug husto - medyo 'bias' gyud ta syempre. Mas maayo na mo sulti ta sa tino-od kinsa ang 'vendor'.

I've changed my Phenom mobo 3x na pero and cpu pyats lang gihapon. Sa-una diha kuy Pentium 4 pero lisod mangita ug mobo kay na luma dayon tungngod kay walay mobo baligya para Pentium 4. Granted ma luma ang socket pero dugay ang AMD kay gamay ra sila ug socket type and they are interchangeable with others - ang pin count lang deperensya pero ang socket pareho lang gihapon.

Kung naa ka trabaho semicon industry (Intel) nano dili man ka kahibalo sa numbers of Intel socket type. Maski estimate lang pwede na. Magsugod ta sa pina ka una orig - Intel Socket 0.

FYI - I don't work/sell with AMD or Intel.

[lloyd_joy]

^ bro,

mura man ka'g bata oi... my 1st PC was an XT [8088]... gamit lang ug google... para matubag nang inquiry nimo...

another thing, before naa nang mga malls dha sa Ceby... before sa SM, Gaisano Country Mall ug Ayala... namaligya ko'g PC... build per order (ako ang mo build)... so, don't ask me on the socket...

[Jess_V]

more than 50+ including LGA2011-v3.
ako murag bata, ikaw murag babayi mo tubag.
Daghan kaayo sulti. You don't have to dazzle us with your speeches....

Sry, had to say it

[wylliexhan]

I think something's not right here. I would agree on bro lloyd's explanation, more explanation means more enlightenment to the topic, and also the fact is he is working on a semicon industry so that means he is more experienced and knowledgeable to these kinds of things.

He's been on this PC DIY passion more than 20+ years now so I would say that some of his topics here in istorya I also learned from him and some other members here who are sharing this hobby. I am still actually new to this hobby, 3 years and counting. I would not say I am an expert but I am sharing to what I love about PC Hardware DIY. I am learning some of these things here in istorya, joining PC DIY groups, and of course joining a LAN party and RIG Display competition.

One thing I also notice bro that some of your replies on other topics. You are recommending an AMD CPU. Are you an AMD Fan boy?

- palit ug AMD 6 core (black edition) and above para sayon ra i overclock, mas barato pud basta ayaw lang kalimut ug Integrated CPU water cooler. Whether Intel or AMD mo palit man gyud ka ug cooler. Ayaw pag usik2x ug air cooler - dungnag lang ug gamay Integrated CPU water cooler na. Dako kaayo ang deperencia ang AIO kaysa Air Cooler.

- Gamit ug AMD para ang subra bagsak sa GPU or gsync gaming monitor. kinghanlan AIO Water cooler pag unlock edition imong paliton. Ang lock edition pwede pud na i Overclock pero mas lesod2x gamay.

- i compare ang presio sa AMD FX cpu kaysa Intel cpu. You get more bang for your buck with AMD. BUY AMD

And I think you've said this line more than 5 times already: "FYI - i don't represent AMD or any vendors"

[robz0996]

Right now, I wouldn't really go for an FX CPU for gaming. Partially because Intel's 1150 platform along with it's offerings is better overall. But mostly because AM3+ is practically a dead socket and there will be no foreseeable upgrade path past the 8350/9370/9590 (which the i5s are already faster in everything but heavily threaded apps, and the 9370/9590 are terribly cost ineffective for gaming and suck huge power/produce massive amounts of heat). AMD haven't updated the socket or the chipset in something like 2 years and it's reported that Zen will be on an FM type socket (probably FM3).

A lot of modern, and a vast majority of older games are single thread dependent/optimized (SC2, DayZ, Arma 3 are good examples), and as such, will run better on an Intel CPU because they have more efficient cores.

A Haswell i3 will outperform an FX-6300 in most games and an i5-4460 will outperform even an FX-8350 in most games (except ones that are optimized, like BF4).

Sure, AMD is more cost effective at a point, but the fact that a decent AM3+ Motherboard with good features will cost you more than a decent LGA 1150 Motherboard with comparative features kinda defeats the purpose (at least looking at prices here in Cebu).

Not to mention Intel CPUs generally run cooler and don't generally need an aftermarket cooler. Also CPU overclocking doesn't yield that much in terms of FPS gain. Plus in Cebu, it's relatively hard to find FX CPUs in my experience.

The only thing I'd choose an FX CPU for is heavily threaded, workstation tasks. That's when they really shine and the cost effectiveness can be shown. As FX CPUs have very strong multi-threaded performance.

Now APUs are a different story, they are very cost effective and are amazing value if you're really on a tight budget. An A10 can run BF4 smoothly on medium settings at 720p and even Crysis 3 on decent settings. For Dota 2 and other locally popular net cafe games, the A6 and A8 perform admirably for their respective price tags. The only drawback is that they need highly clocked, dual-channel RAM for the integrated GPUs to perform well (ie. 2133-2400 MHz).

IMO, just pick the CPU that fits your budget and is right for the intended use.