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    Default Re: Did Jesus have any sibblings?


    basin pud nuh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wire View Post
    ...kani murag insakto jud ni, walay kalambigitan ang pagtoo nato kung naa siya brother or sister, basta importante ang mga teachings and good gospels. Personal matters of Jesus Christ has nothing to do para maka-apektar sa life sa usa ka disciples ug nato as christians, that's beyond the belief.

    ...pero ako nuh, through sa mga practices sa atong Religion, for me priests have should rights to bear children why? because he is just a human like us that should have freedom. Personal Matters as what I have point to Jesus and to all Catholic Priests that ther personal life are not what could add replenish our life and washed away with Sin, but our FAITH and MORAL ACHIEVEMENTS - that's it!

    ...Looy kaaU ang mga Pare sad kay prisoner sa mga kahidlaw, maoy sad nay issue nila nganong manakal ug babae.

    ...Am I right? ...LOL
    Actually your concept is self Defeating nang daan.

    How can You say dunay kay pagtuo or Tinuod imung pagtuo sa isa ka nilalang if wa man diay ka nakahibalo if unsa ang Tinuod niyang pagkatawo? unsa siya, ug unsa iyang batasan.

    If mu ingun ta nituo ta sa atung ginikanan, nagpasabot na nga nakahibalo ta unsa atung ginikanan, kinsa atung ginikanan, unsay binuhatan sa atung ginikanan, ug unsay ilang background kay nituoo gud ta.

    True Faith is Not blind, nahimu nang Faith kay nakahibalo ta totally kinsa atung gituhuan. If mu ingun ta nga nituo ta sa Ginoo nya wa diay tah kaila unsa or kinsa siya, unsa iyang background - Its Not True Faith, its Blind Faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bernard View Post
    ^^

    Actually bro, ang mga early Christians married man ang ubang priests, even some disciples/apostles of Christ (St. Peter, etc..) married man.

    Later on, pag organize na sa Roman Catholic Church, mao nato nga gebawal na. But unfortunately, thousands, or perhaps, millions of priest failed to follow their sacred vow of chastity.

    Pero let us not blame the whole tree just because of some leaves and branches eaten by pests and insects. And more importantly, stick to the topic regarding the possible siblings of Jesus Christ.
    Celibacy is a religion/church teaching Not a Bible teaching. Roman Catholics kay nag follow sad na sila sa Church tradition nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Actually your concept is self Defeating nang daan.

    How can You say dunay kay pagtuo or Tinuod imung pagtuo sa isa ka nilalang if wa man diay ka nakahibalo if unsa ang Tinuod niyang pagkatawo? unsa siya, ug unsa iyang batasan.

    If mu ingun ta nituo ta sa atung ginikanan, nagpasabot na nga nakahibalo ta unsa atung ginikanan, kinsa atung ginikanan, unsay binuhatan sa atung ginikanan, ug unsay ilang background kay nituoo gud ta.

    True Faith is Not blind, nahimu nang Faith kay nakahibalo ta totally kinsa atung gituhuan. If mu ingun ta nga nituo ta sa Ginoo nya wa diay tah kaila unsa or kinsa siya, unsa iyang background - Its Not True Faith, its Blind Faith.
    sakto! kani na lang ang imong himoon nga basehan.

    ibusted gani ka sa imong gipanglitawhan kung sayop imong gituohan nga unsa sya. samot na ang ginoo. correct?
    Kung nagtuo ka nga easy to get ang imong gipangulitawhan, samot ang Ginoo mubasted pod nimo.

    Kay di sayon ang kaligtasan! Amen. kung magtuoo ka nga virgin pa si mary, then sayop na imong faith kay di na mao ang nakasuwat sa bibliya. remember bible is the words of God.

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    pwede naa cyay biological na igsoon o mga igsoon. y not, wla man nasulat na baog c jose and/or maria. wla pud nkasulat if nagka-anak ba cla ug dugang.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus have any sibblings?

    Kung naa siyay siblings, so what?

    I think this is very trivial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Celibacy is a religion/church teaching Not a Bible teaching. Roman Catholics kay nag follow sad na sila sa Church tradition nila.
    Karon ra pod ko nag basa2x ani bro... Celibacy is strengthened by the Roman Catholic Church thru Church Traditions. Pero naa pod passage sa Bible corresponding for those who live as priests, nuns, and single blessedness.

    But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

    1 Corinthians 7:32-34

    Perhaps, we really don't know what were the actual married and family life of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. All we have are speculations, basing on our point of view as normal human beings who need s3x in our lives. But we cannot firmly say that they are living "normal" lives, since they are raising a God, and not just any exemplary man like Jose Rizal.

    It is a nice topic to discuss with.
    Last edited by Scott Bernard; 06-18-2012 at 03:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bernard View Post
    Karon ra pod ko nag basa2x ani bro... Celibacy is strengthened by the Roman Catholic Church thru Church Traditions. Pero naa pod passage sa Bible corresponding for those who live as priests, nuns, and single blessedness.

    But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

    1 Corinthians 7:32-34
    Suggestion man gud na ni Apostle Paul sa mga taga Korinto. Sa Catholics ilang gihimung balaod sa ilang mga pari so valid ra ghapon para nko.

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    ...Look the argument in here are in 3 dimensions, (3 dimensions because they cannot access each other by faith kay dili na mao nga Teaching ang requirements as true Christians kay naapil na ang moralidad sa usa ka tao, meaning personallan na ug gila'-ga' na ang itlog kay below the belt na... hehehehe)

    1. Teaching of Jesus as Gospel of Today. Ang mga teaching ni Jesus wala mag-apil sa mga Personal nga mga butang sa usa ka-tao nga makadaot but nag-discuss kini about sa mga Scenarios, mga nindot nga mga istorya, or parable nga pwede natong ma-erelate sa atong everyday life for reflection para sa pag-correct sa mga sayup nga atong nabuhat, so, meaning this would serves us a guide para ma-enlighten sad ta. Now, kung isagot nimo ang mga personal matters nga wala pa matinu kung tinood ba or pwede sad natong ibutang nga tinood, dapat dili jud ni maka-apektar sa ato-a.
    2. Personal Matters. Kani kabahin sa atong pagkatao ug wala kini kalambigitan sa atong pagtoo sa atong pagka-Catholic. So, to individuals nga naapapektaran ani is that learn to distinguish the good side not the bad side kay dili mao ang gitudlo sa Roman Catholic matud pa ni Scott Bernard,

      "let us not blame the whole tree just because of some leaves and branches eaten by pests and insect"
      So, my point is that stick to the teachings of Jesus and/or the Gospel of Today.
    3. Our Practices. Sa mga practices are just practices, but it would not totally create some Sins literally if we don't follow them. Like the other Religion's practices, some common practices that eating pork, blood, etc. can create Sin whereas, sa atong teaching, they are just a food nga makapa-highblood, hehehe! jowk!, Bitaw, like sa mga kinabuhi sa Pare that I have discussed, however, practices are tied up with Teachings and/or Gospel of Today pero nana lang mga additional na mga bawal-bawal, mao na ang reason why Christians are subdivided into smaller pieces, such as Seven adventists, born again, etc. (dili nalang nato to nganlan ang uban basin ma-preso ta hehehe! ) basta, because of different practices kay wala magkasinabot sa mga common nga mga ideas.

      The Faith in here is on the Teaching and/or Gospel of Today, not other matters.



    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Actually your concept is self Defeating nang daan.

    How can You say dunay kay pagtuo or Tinuod imung pagtuo sa isa ka nilalang if wa man diay ka nakahibalo if unsa ang Tinuod niyang pagkatawo? unsa siya, ug unsa iyang batasan.

    If mu ingun ta nituo ta sa atung ginikanan, nagpasabot na nga nakahibalo ta unsa atung ginikanan, kinsa atung ginikanan, unsay binuhatan sa atung ginikanan, ug unsay ilang background kay nituoo gud ta.

    True Faith is Not blind, nahimu nang Faith kay nakahibalo ta totally kinsa atung gituhuan. If mu ingun ta nga nituo ta sa Ginoo nya wa diay tah kaila unsa or kinsa siya, unsa iyang background - Its Not True Faith, its Blind Faith.
    Last edited by wire; 06-18-2012 at 03:20 PM.

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    OT: Concerning about eating pork during Holy Week, a Salesian (SDB) Priest way back when I was in high school taught us that Holy Week sacrifice it is not the quality (meat) that matters, but the quantity. Come to think about it, it is much better to eat a one piece of pork barbeque per meal, than eating expensive and delicious food such as Blue Marlin, Tangigue, Calamares, etc.

    While some priest strongly tells us that bawal jud ang karne (pork, meat, etc.). I even had a hot discussion with a Charismatic about it.

    In connection with these, some priest will tell us that Jesus might have siblings but these does not affect our faith... while other priests might tell us that this point of view is heresy in nature and must be deleted from our minds.

    Let us just be open minded and if possible, live a normal Catholic and/or Christian life.

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