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    After reading this (Palace advises Chiong | Sun.Star Network Online) and other news articles regarding this issue, it's really a pity that what batigol192002 posted in this thread is right on the spot: The Philippines is a banana republic.

    What the heck is Malacanang saying? They leave it with the DOJ? Are you telling us you're a lame duck administration or you're an administration that has been paid to do the transfer?

    If Paco is indeed a Filipino citizen, then whether he's a Spanish citizen or not does not matter. He was born here and he lived here. How long has he actually lived in Spain? The Philippines should assert its sovereignty. Why does that treaty even apply? There is reason to apply the treaty for Spanish citizens who are really NOT Filipinos. It's not a problem if they are sent back to their home country. Just like if a Filipino citizen committed a crime in Spain, then he can be sent back here. If the person is both a citizen of Spain and the Philippines, why the heck are we saying that he should be treated as Spanish first, Filipino second. The crime was committed in the Philippines against Filipino victims by Filipino convicts. Why involve Spain? Can we cut that guy in half and send the other half to Spain? Or since the Chiong sisters had Chinese ancestry, we can send this guy to be tried in China instead? Will that be better as he can be executed through firing squad in China? This country needs to assert its independence and not make a mockery of itself.

    Why is PGMA to blame? Because she can do something to stop this mockery but did not. Or maybe she is part of this whole thing. Spain did not even ask for this guy to be sent there. What transpired obviously is orchestrated by someone high up in the administration. It's actually not the Philippines reneging on the treaty. It's actually the Philippines trying to force Spain to accept this guy because there's such a treaty. Spain is not even sure he's one of their citizens yet!

    Maybe it was during Erap's time that the treaty was signed. However, it's almost EU policy to have such treaties for countries that have the death penalty, which the Philippines had during that time. The motivation for the EU countries was that their citizens not be sent to death row or that they would not be caned or tried under Sharia laws in other countries. The Western countries think that Michael Fay should not be caned when he committed vandalism in Singapore. But Singapore asserted its sovereignty and applied its laws even to American citizens. But now, the Philippines is transferring to Spain one of its convicts as if he is not even Filipino. Unya para ma carry out ang treaty, bayaran ug 12,500 euros? Which is actually less than PGMA's one-night dinner at Le Cirque? Na-unsa naman intawn? Bayaran ninyo ang 2 ka anak ug less than a Le Cirque dinner? Kabaga pud tawon ug nawong oi nga mao pa na inyong ipagawas sa press nga "advice"...

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    Good for him. Any lawyer with half a brain would smell something fishy when the accused isn't allowed to stand as witness for himself. Go figure.

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    Rapist’s transfer to Spanish jail rapped

    Thelma Chiong on Saturday told the Philippine Daily Inquirer that she had gotten over her initial shock and would now seek to preserve the justice that her family had struggled to achieve in the long trial over the abduction, rape and killing of her daughters Jacqueline and Marijoy in July 1997.
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    Rapist’s transfer to Spanish jail rapped - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaQ View Post
    Spain did not even ask for this guy to be sent there. What transpired obviously is orchestrated by someone high up in the administration. It's actually not the Philippines reneging on the treaty. It's actually the Philippines trying to force Spain to accept this guy because there's such a treaty. Spain is not even sure he's one of their citizens yet!

    Maybe it was during Erap's time that the treaty was signed. However, it's almost EU policy to have such treaties for countries that have the death penalty, which the Philippines had during that time. The motivation for the EU countries was that their citizens not be sent to death row or that they would not be caned or tried under Sharia laws in other countries. The Western countries think that Michael Fay should not be caned when he committed vandalism in Singapore. But Singapore asserted its sovereignty and applied its laws even to American citizens.
    Perhaps this group had something to do with it:

    Fair Trials International: News : Juan ‘Paco’ Larranaga case: Cebu’s mistrial of the century? -BusinessWorld

    Something from the blogsphere that might help put a few things into perspective:

    http://pedestrianobserver.blogspot.c...juan-paco.html

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    Last edited by Tarmac; 09-08-2009 at 09:55 PM.

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    Whether he's guilty or not, making a treaty and transferring him to Spain is just plainly stupid. If he is innocent, then so sorry to hear that. Transferring to Spain does not exonerate him from the crime. So criminal lang gihapon siya and his name is still not cleared. Plus, why do we need to make an exception just because he's part Spaniard? Unsa man ni, balik na pud ta sa time ni Rizal? The guy is Filipino first, Spaniard second. Not the other way around.

    This trial has not been televised like OJ Simpson's, I won't even say that there is enough information from the lousy reports the Philippine media published to be able to judge whether he's innocent or not. Perhaps there's really a valid reason the judge did not allow his testimony to be heard. Maybe not. But from the little I know regarding the case, if he's in Manila the morning or afternoon or even the very night the sisters were abducted, it's still possible for him to have taken part in the crime as he was in Cebu before the body was found.

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    unfair jud bitaw...luoy mama sa mga chiong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by estor_boot View Post
    LOL! die hard gloria fan..

    question: during whose presidency did the death penalty was passed into law?
    and kinsa may nagtangtang?

    that illustrates the power of the executive.
    Very well said. AMEN.

  8. #88
    Ang tinuod ana, ilang ipadala si Paco sa Espin pero inig kataud taud ana, inig medyo malimot na ang mga tawo, buhi-an na sa gobeirno sa Espin. Kung dunay moreklamo, mamuyboy ang gobierno sa Espin nga nabayran naman mo di ba? nganong reklamo pa man mo, Pila man nahatag namo ninyo nga economic assistance aron ma approve na nga treaty kay gusto namo nga buhi-an na si Paco.

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    dri sya nakapatay dri pud sya dapat mapriso...

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    mapug-ngan tana ni gloria sa, kay presidente gud.

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