WOMEN AND THE BIBLE

[amaw]

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In your own opinion(not your religious belief)...is it fair to the person if a person is not given a privilege on something just because of her/his gender?

Of course. That is why it is called a PRIVILEGE. It's not a RIGHT. Look up the words in the dictionary. Looks like your logic missed out on that distinction.

Gender determines a lot of things, in case you haven't noticed. There are many facilities, activities, etc. that are reserved for one gender or another.

Now let's see you use some logic. Come up with a real argument instead of nitpicking. Or is that expecting too much?

oooppppsss, my bad I'm assuming you did some thinking...I thought my question is not in reference to places where human genitals are concerned, like bathrooms, dressing rooms, and such....my bad, sorry for not emphasizing..

OK let me emphasize, and rephrase my question:

In your own opinion(not your religious belief)...is it fair to the person if a person is not given a privilege on something(that doesn't concern human genital organs) just because of her/his gender?

[mannyamador]

OK let me emphasize, and rephrase my question:

Same silly question. It was answered earlier. Priesthood is PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT. A privilege can be withdrawn for any reason deemed sufficient by the one granting it. A right cannot be withdrawn in such a manner. Is that distinction too dofficult for you to grasp?

So let's see you come up with a real argument. Or is that beyond your capacity?

[HoundedbyHeaven]

The RC church doesn\'t just keep on changing their stance they even destroyed some of the bible\'s chapters that contains the writings about JC and Mary Magdalene\'s relationship...

Learning \"rock-solid, Vatican conspiracy-blowing\" history from Dan Brown is like learning \"authentic\" Catholicism from \"Bro Frederico Lasala, SVD\", Cardinal Bunal\'s sidekick.

Pax.

[Sovabon]

:mrgreen: As far as I know the role of a woman was a very precious...we won't exist in this world without them....somewhat like our mother.....

Take note that Adan's one rib was taken from Eve's rib, that leads an attachment of the men to women...

Ato lang klarohon bro. Eve's creation was coming from the rib of Adan, dili gikan ni Eve.

[Sovabon]

The Bible is a mix of convoluted doctrines and stories that really don't agree with each other. It may be true on some things, but the rest is so messed up.

It'll only be a matter of TIME before we get female priests. It's never been about the Bible or Divine Revelation; it's about the environment and the current status quo. If you'll look at the history of the Roman Catholic Church, you'll see that they've changed their stance on several issues for so many times already. Human cloning, abortion, pornography. etc.. this'll all be commonplace in say a hundred years or so.

The RC church doesn't just keep on changing their stance they even destroyed some of the bible's chapters that contains the writings about JC and Mary Magdalene's relationship...

I guess you believe the writings of Dan Brown on his The Da Vinci Code book. Dako kaayo nang lalisonon! Years and characters were inconsistent.

[Zealot]

Why do women support religion and the Bible? It's very clear that the Bible portrays women as inferior. Do women ignore the following verses or simply not know of them? Why would a supposed "loving god" relegate women to such subservient roles? The following are just a VERY few examples of the many. Wives can't speak? Selling you daughter?! Rape is O.K.?! Auction rates for your family?! The Bible is seriously screwed up! Not the word of any god I would subscribe to!


Keep Quiet!...
1 Corinthians, 14:34-35: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

How to sell your daughter...
Exodus 21:7-8: And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her."

Man Rules...
Genesis 3:16: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Take my daughters....
Genesis 19:8 "Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes"

Lot and his daughters have intercourse in a cave and each daughter gets pregnant.
Genesis 19:30-38: "And Lot went up out of Zoar..., and his two daughters with him; ...and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day."

Slave women don't count in rape....
Leviticus 19:20: "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free."

God's $$$ rate for Men & Women...
Leviticus 27:3-7: "And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver... And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels."

Pretty captive women are fair game, if you want them...
Deuteronomy 21:11-14: And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife. Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails. And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will..."

Abraham's Wives...
Genesis 25:1 "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah." [Only problem is that Abraham already had a wife (Sarah), and an abandoned concubine (Hagar).]

Esau "takes" two wives. 26:34 and then a third 28:9
26:34, 29:29 "And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite. ... Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife."

Jacob's two wives and two concubines...
Genesis 32:22: "And he rose up that night, and took his two wives, and his two womenservants, "

Esau wives...
Genesis 36:6: "And Esau took his wives...."

After the massacre of Egyptian children, Moses wants all males... not burnt females and children.
Exodus 13:2: "Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine."

Simplified version of birth and offerings (see Leviticus 12:1-5)...
Leviticus 12:6: And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or dove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest
reference:ethical atheist

Haven't you asked yourself...WHY?

Your level of understanding is too literate. Ayaw kalagot ha.. pero mao na akong ikasulti

[Vertical Horizon]

Your level of understanding is too literate. Ayaw kalagot ha.. pero mao na akong ikasulti

literal bai. hehehe...

[HoundedbyHeaven]

:mrgreen: As far as I know the role of a woman was a very precious...we won\\\\\\\'t exist in this world without them....somewhat like our mother.....

Take note that Adan\\\\\\\'s one rib was taken from Eve\\\\\\\'s rib, that leads an attachment of the men to women...

Ato lang klarohon bro. Eve\\\\\\\'s creation was coming from the rib of Adan, dili gikan ni Eve.

And may I also clarify another point, in addition to what Sovabon correctly pointed out, that Genesis 3:16 states:

To the woman he said:...Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.

I don\'t know exactly what that means but it seems like women have an attachment to men, not the other way around.

Pax.

[amaw]

OK let me emphasize, and rephrase my question:

Same silly question. It was answered earlier. Priesthood is PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT. A privilege can be withdrawn for any reason deemed sufficient by the one granting it. A right cannot be withdrawn in such a manner. Is that distinction too dofficult for you to grasp?

So let's see you come up with a real argument. Or is that beyond your capacity?

I know the difference between a right and a privilege.....that's what my point, a privilege can be withdrawn, why can't the church leaders do anything about it, for fairness and equality.....

but hey, that's your personal opinion, that it's fair and equal for people not to have a privilege just because of their gender....... so go ahead, continue to have such thinking

Good luck to your female constituents.....

[mannyamador]

I know the difference between a right and a privilege.....that's what my point, a privilege can be withdrawn, why can't the church leaders do anything about it, for fairness and equality.....

It's apparent you DON'T know the diffeence between a privilege and a right. Privileges can be given or taken for any reason deemed fit by the granting authority WITHOUT being unfair. It has nothing to do equality. Even Jesus used the parable of the workers (some hired in the morning, some hired in the afternoon, but all getting the same pay) to show this.

Equality and fairness are issues when we talk of RIGHTS. Privileges, on the other hand, are given purely at the discretion of the issuing authority. It doesn't have to give any to anyone.

Priesthood is a privilege. No one can ever claim he has a right to be a priest. NEVER. And right now, there is simply no reason to break with what Jesus did. There is no indication that the Levitical tradition, which Jesus Himself followed, should be broken.

But if you think there is, then show me a REAL ARGUMENT. So far, you haven't given any at all. If you can't, then it's no wonder you aren't having any luck convincing people who think.