Life's Harships, is it enough to conclude that there's no God?

[noy]

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My point is that its a matter of credibility..oh come on you know better than that?
or are you just good at those preachy scriptures of yours withing the bounds of this bible book of yours

i see...are you talking about my credibility? hehehe pasensya ka bro, sometimes straight forward arguments would serve better..
well if you are, i'm no preacher,no pastor, or unsa pa na dihang "titles" and i'm no better than anybody else..
all i am is a Christian who's just sharing what i believe..
and all i have is my experience that it is impossible to go through life without God.
i never knew that the bible had 2 parts(old and new) until i was 17 'cause USC has REed
i was addicted to drugs,alcohol..during my youth...have been involved in gang wars...
i;ve always believed there was God but hated the church 'cause of hypocricy..
i hated my parents 'cause they loved me so much but i just didn't see it..., betrayed almost those who helped me and eventually outcasted from the family..
ran away from home,threw away education, joined a frat and wasted my life with drugs and alcohol
no family, no job, no school...imagine wha kind of life i had...
until i came across with Christians, Christians who actually walk the talk...
and came to know Jesus more closely
to make a long story short...
i won most of my families back exept for my dad, and after 7 years...he finally accepted me back in the family
and we are now super close..
though i never finished college, but im blessed wtih a decent job..
im blessed with a loving wife...
and most of all..no more drugs and alcohol..
no more frat bros but real friends.
that is all i have bro...i dont have a degree of some sort but experience...
i never knew Jesus was all i needed till He's all i got.
i learned through the hard way..that's why i share...
my life is not perfect, my wife and i have financial difficulties...a lot of things to consider
but there's hope and joy for whatever life threw at us..and i owe that to Jesus my loving saviour.

[heliopause]

I can't just conveniently claim that I am esp under the bounds or venue of your kind of discussion

bitaw part ai kalain ha if i throw sometimes words wiht pointed-edge here. ma pressure lang usahay. pero believe kayo ko aning noy kay kalmahon ra kayo. smilan lang mo.

consider we're all brothers and sisters part. ato lang ideologies nagkalain2.

[silent-kill]

no, people who don't believe in god was not converted to atheism due to the hardship in life.
they are converted because they have searched and found no evidence of his existence...

[noy]

^^ same goes as wasting your time ramming in other people's throats your beliefs

walay namugos bro..we are just sharing that there is God as much as you are sharing that He doesnt exist...
and with all due respect..you may disagree but not like this.

[mokiloo]

kinsa man among gipugos? ikaw raman tingali nag ingon ana. people have brains and freewill bai, dont worry.

Please ko tubag sa questions sa atheist nga thread. not here.

yah not specifically or directly ako imo gi pugos but the persistence of such thread with the same old issue like a broken record seem like it claiming it as the absolute truth claiming your just sharing your thoughts?

If you so belief in freewill then let people be with their own beliefs and let that notion of freewill to take place and instead of just showering your words just apply it into action.

Or maybe you're just a common case of someone who's not at peace of the thought for his lack of action and just compensate it with words and simply sugarcoat it with "sharing the truth" to make it sound noble and divine.

Or simple seeking an audience here in the forums

[noy]

no, people who don't believe in god was not converted to atheism due to the hardship in life.
they are converted because they have searched and found no evidence of his existence...

that is a fact if you speak on your behalf bro, but not entirely true if you are generally speaking..
'cause there may be lots of people who turned their backs on God 'cause of life's hardships
but many also increased in faith 'cause of the same hardship that we are talking about...
it's how you see it actually, hardship can be a discouragement or an invitation to trust God more..
some did search an found nothing, but did it ever occur to you that they might have to search further?
'cause sometimes you are searching in the wrong place...and sometimes it's already in front of you but
you keep pusing for something else...

[noy]

If you so belief in freewill then let people be with their own beliefs and let that notion of freewill to take place and instead of just showering your words just apply it into action.

this is what we call advertisement bro daghan ud gili ganahan sa mcdo but mcdo still advertise...
and when people tasted and tried mcdonalds..they changed their minds...
we're just hoping for the same scenario...if wala, then wala...
but that's just it.i'm sorry if ma offend ka ani nga mga type of threads..
we also get offended if people would say that there's no God...but like i said earlier...
you might not have the same faith that we do but you deserve all the respect...
i hope you would also return the favor.
and by the way, you do not know what else we're doing aside from sharing our faith in this page...
and you certainly cannot be the judge of that.
and speaking of free will bro, you alwasys have the option not to check these type of threads out...
but i must let you know you are always welcome

[mokiloo]

^^^in my case it is not about hardships as a matter of fact, though we are not rich, I didn't experience any hardships, or at least nothing I can't handle.

Lisod sab kaayo muingon pud if hayahay gani dili mutu-u ug gino-o kay wala mag lisod..if mag lisod gani nitalikod sa ginoo kay abandoned ang feeling.

And in history baya when people are less inquisitive and could almost believe in anything, and that time when Christianity's "boom" in terms of followers or believers was also the time (esp in europe) was devasted with hunger, plagues and war where most historians considered the just the right time for the idea of religion--faith, idea of salvation, to come in.

Sometimes in human psychology, its just normal for the mind to create an idea of hope when things are somewhat desperate just to keep us going and to thrive

[Code Talker]

No. I believe that God exists.

[noy]

^^^in my case it is not about hardships as a matter of fact, though we are not rich, I didn't experience any hardships, or at least nothing I can't handle.
Lisod sab kaayo muingon pud if hayahay gani dili mutu-u ug gino-o kay wala mag lisod..if mag lisod gani nitalikod sa ginoo kay abandoned ang feeling.
And in history baya when people are less inquisitive and could almost believe in anything, and that time when Christianity's "boom" in terms of followers or believers was also the time (esp in europe) was devasted with hunger, plagues and war where most historians considered the just the right time for the idea of religion--faith, idea of salvation, to come in.
Sometimes in human psychology, its just normal for the mind to create and idea of hope when things are somewhat desperate just to keep us going and to thrive

that's nice bro,thanks for sharing
there's great possibility in your argument but always leave the posibility that you also could be wrong..
'cause there are still greater things and lot more things in this life that remains a mystery.
and we can't leave everything to proofs there are things we need to leave it with faith.
like i said earlier, all i have is experience..
you could say i'm deluded or something like that...
but i can never deny the faithfulness of God in my life...
all the while i thought it was me who carried my life and all my achievements
when i cannot even make a single hair grey, i cannot even stop death nor avoid it.
and this thread is simply showing one cause of aetheism or unbelief of God..there are tons more...
you can say that people needed religion or God to cling to in times of trouble...
all i can say is that it served its purpose, cuase that's the very reason why Jesus came..

and if man created the idea of God, i think that contradicts to all the prophicies in the bible that have been fulfilled from the messianic prophicies in the old testament down to the time of Jesus in the new testament..
they were written long before Christ came to this world..
yes i believe faith would also be psychological,and that the human mind is very powerful, but that doesnt prove God doesnt exist, it only shows how great He is.