Dokken revisited

[james_mustaine]

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i dont know where my oldman got my name. im sure its not from a metal god. i guess he read a novel or something. hes even surprised i still listen to these kind of music until now. i just told him before im a little dreamer on fire..the only van halen song ive heared being covered is jump. little bit of eruption maybe. but never the other songs especially on the album 0u812 & 5150. or even women & children first. eddies sound seems impossible to cover except to audience who dont know eddie. today were living in the youtube world where you can find a fetus playing eruption. but many years ago, what eddie played seemed very impossible. i agree on what you said on your 4th paragraph man. never mind the critics, just listen to what you need to listen. where have all the good times gone. if you had read the story when dimebag and eddie van halen met for the first time in 2004, it will make you cry...some heads are gonna roll...

[jamespegarido]

ow, i see...& i really thought that it was your pops who influenced you into the world of rock...i guess i was wrong...anyways, i really played van halen, running with the devil, you really got me, icecream man...mean streets, pretty woman, dreams, hot for teacher, you're no good, best part of a man, & of course, you won't be a real evh maniac if you don't play eruption...& i really seprad cathedral, it's got alot to do with slapback delay...once you know how to do it, you'd say it's really child's play...

i guess yes, evh's style really seemed impossible to copy when he first came out...but his style just employs lots of hammer ons (HOs) & pull offs (POs), & tapped octave harmonics, & lots of dive bombs courtesy of the floyd rose...if you have a good ear, you can easily get what it was all about...it was like fun-at-play...i'm sure you've noticed how evh seems to always have that silly child's grin in his face when he plays...it's coz he's just having the time of his life being guitar god plainly by just fooling around with his guitar...

you think it's impossible to play women in love? well, i can play that...again, we have evh's overutilization of harmonics tapping in the song's intro...if you get the feel of tapping harmonics, it's really ridiculously easy - really like child's play...

let's see now, oh yah...do you think it's impossible to be able to play john petrucci's erotomania (dream theater's awake album)...well, i seprad that instrumental, & i did it by ear, no use of tab (as i never use tab as i find it very tedious)...so, bro, you should never say something is impossible...instead, let 'nothing is impossible' be your slogan!..

i find john petrucci's style more technically demanding than evh's style...evh always got away with speed by using legatto runs, or a combination of picked notes & legattos, infused with his signature right hand HOs & POs...in petrucci's style, there are no shortcuts, no cheats...but strictly picked stacattos running up & down scales...it really is not hard to understand why, in 1 interview in circus mag, yjm commented that evh is a cheat...he really is...but a good 1 at that...evh is for me is a premier trailblazer in guitar wizardry & a great composer of contemporary rock music...holding his rank all on his own...evh... we salute you!!!...

hey, i didn't know about that dimebag-evh encounter bro...can you share?....defenders of the faith...

[james_mustaine]

dimebag told fans in one interview that he grew up with bands like sabbath, kiss, priest, maiden, slayer, anthrax and more. but he never had the chance to meet the main man evh. to cut our story short, they indeed finally met when van halen was on tour on texas -hometown of dime. both van halen brothers and the abott brothers were telling their stories. by the way, dime was also my guitar hero. i got these story coz i bought the december 2005 guitar world issue. i also love their 2nd album but it didnt sound like the first one. spanish fly, beautiful girls, bottoms up. i believe u sepra this all. and promise me that you will teach me these riffs bro. now i feel like im dime and you are evh.
im not really a dream theatre follower but my friends always tell me this group has balls. ive watched the g3 with john petrucci.
i use to have an yngwie album. marching out, rising force. that single "you dont remember, il never forget" is virtuoso. also that heaven tonight. all tapes are lost. shame on me. thank god for this downloading system.
back to evh, i remember this stupid story when i was still high school dude il share with you now. is it true that eddie and company beat up their manager after the 1984 album or the start of 5150 and thats why they had sammy on vocals. i know i sound confusing. the guy that introduced dokken to me is also a die hard evh fan. he was the one telling me all this. he even gets mad i teased him that carlos cavazo is better than evh... its better by you better than me...

[jamespegarido]

ahh, okey...dimebag darrel had balls too bro...it's really a shame that his life was cut short by just a worthless piece of crap...

spanish fly!!! hoho... you got me there bro...this may be the 1 vh that i never really mastered...especially because it's played on an acoustic...but i can play 10 bars into that piece on a hollowbody...plus the hammering runs on the last 10...beatiful girls yah i can play that...how about, take your whiskey home...i just love to play that bluesy intro...

hey you should check out dream theater man...i'm sure you'll love them, especially so coz you're a guitarist...for me, playing petrucci is really demanding & tests the limits of both your finger dexterity & your ear's perfect pitch...& of course, their songs are killer tunes man...i highly recommend them to you...

yjm...yah, i remember the time when i listened to nothing but yjm...he really shocked the world when he came out...he's a real guitar god, no doubt...a real guitar virtuoso...heaven tonight - great video...

hey! how come i never heard that story about that manager beating? if that is true, well, i never heard about that, only now...what i know is that diamond dave was entertaining thoughts of hollywood at about that time, & evh thought otherwise...& so they split...

trivia : evh composed the entire spanish guitar piece in 1 sitting, in the bathroom while he was taking a dump...believe it or not...

of course your friend should get mad...cavazo can't even come close to being an evh... you can't equate battleaxe to eruption...compared to evh, cavazo is a joke...hehe...don't you agree bro?...

[james_mustaine]

i like carlos cavazo. i got 3 quiet riot albums (rest in peace kevin dubrow). battle axe is a killer but i still wonder if it was originally by randy rhoads. ive seen in youtube dime was playing revolution mother earth solo and then some parts of battle axe. dime was a randy rhoads follower. got here also blizzard and diary albums by randy and ozzy. dime also mentioned that theres no question to guitar playing if randy was still with us. i agree.
about that story on eddie beats up ted templeman, im not sure if that happened. high school rumors you know how stupid it sounds. how bout that "youre no good" it got nice intro and solo as well. yes take your whiskey home is kinda bluesy. got here by the way the march 2007 guitar world issue features eddie on replica of his frankenstein. wayne charvel did the 300 copy of eddies frankenstein signature guitar. how i wish i had one. i guess you know the history of evh, let me share some. eddie do the singing and rent some PA from dave. then they finally recruited dave because eddie got fed up of the expense. then they go i live my life like theres no tomorrow...by the way bro the intro of runnin with the devil was the recorded sound of their car horn played backwards. and evh also wondered why kramer didnt create a signature guitar of him unlike richie sambora and the guitarist of loverboy.
il take your advice bout dream theatre. i will listen to them and of course john petrucci got the amazing licks. not to mention his changing-color peavey guitar.
i believe you play 7 string am i correct man.. ive not seen eddie playing 7 string. i like that voicing happy trails and the song in a simple rhyme.. wolfgang van halen is now their bassist i think you know that already. (the acoustic 316 also means march 16, eddie's wolfgang was born). michael anthony and sammy reunited with joe satch and drummer of red hot chili peppers. they call themselves chickenfoot but i had not heared yet from their music... sail away with someone's daughter, better save the women and children first...

[jamespegarido]

you're no good is another fave...volume pot fade in chords for the intro...some string panning & bent note right hand hammering done in the solo...typical evh sounds...

i dig quiet riot too bro...they're a cool band that wrote a few catchy tunes...& so's twisted sister...these two bands practically ushered in a new deviant sub-group class of glam metal...they had their share of glory...so ok, cavaso had his day...but he never reached guitar legend status...i mean, hey come on man...cavasso better than evh?...no way!.. so chill dude...hehe...

i wonder what would have become of the band if randy rhoads hadn't left for ozzy...

nope...don't play sevens...never had, never will man...got my hands full enough with six...hehe...oh, but do you?...petrucci plays sevens...i'll leave him to that, he sure can use the extra mileage...hehe...

chubby wolfgang the great...riding on the wings of daddy...hehe...but the guy's got balls too though...rumor has it that it was pamela bertinelli who rooted for her son to join the band so he can keep an eye on pops & his drinking problem...what with 3 confirmed admittances into rehab...& that sorry scene during 1 AA session...

i haven't heard that 1 about chickenfoot...anthony-hagar-satch?!! whatta line-up! i wonder how sammy's high pitch vocal bravado would blend in with joe's blues based pentatonic charisma...now that's something to look forward to...

satch is another fav of mine...he never fails to astonish me at how he squeezes the coolest licks & riffs using only the blues pentatonic scale...

trivia : it was eddie's pops who played the clarinet for the song big bad bill is sweet william now...

[james_mustaine]

i dig twisted sister too. jay jay french and eddie ojeda are great tandem during their glamorous days. i remember also def leppard, krokus during my teen age years. got many of their bands album. yes i agree carlos is not as good as evh. ive heared that big bad bill song. sounds like from a cartoons show. how bout that hang em high, light up the sky, somebody get me a doctor.. cool evh classic riffs.
i dont know how to play 7 strings. not interested though. im just influenced to riffs like iommi, evh, judas priest and even schenker and jabs team up. none of them played 7 strings.. i think doing 7 cannot rock you like a hurricane..
during my early years, i never had the chance to have guitar lessons which was my desire. i was enrolled in piano lessons instead. but to this day, all those piano lessons were forgotten. not a single note remembered. i could had played van halen's right now if i was a piano master.but unlike the guitar we can find chord charts in song hits. on my spare time i studied them. major and minor notes only. but what i regreted most was i never tried to pursue advance guitar lessons. thats why im still stuck to this basic riffs. tabs just helped me improved. got an andy aledort lesson here and watched it some time. i guess your my ultimate teacher bro..you should know by now..
i got here a replica of gibson flying V. its a rudolf schenker influence. planning to place white round stickers to it so that it will look like randy rhoads playing suicide solution. but eddies white strat is what ive been dreaming of.. even just a copy of it.. i call it best part of a man..

[dieseldust]

nice thread here. Very informative

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By the way, i recently donwloaded some MSG stuff kay nawagtang na akong tape . It brings a lot of memories from my elementary days. Sige nako ni i-play ig human sa class, mura'g ako ra'y maminaw ani sauna kay my classmates were into Nirvana, Soundgarden and Blind Melon. Ig mention gyud nako sa akong MSG nga tape, moingon daun sila, "kinsa man na sya bay"?

[jamespegarido]

yah, & dee snider sawed his teeth sharp just to draw in more fanfare for the come out & play album...hehe...they really were a twisted bunch...& snider having to face a congressional panel courtesy of the pmrc...1 hell of a ride...we're not gonna take it...so they sang...hehe...

diver down was a vh cover album so to speak...with van halenized renderings of old tunes by various artists : where have all the good times gone, happy trails, dancing in the street, pretty woman...though they infused some of their own...hang' em high has a gritty western theme to it...the song's tempo makes after a horse's gait...in the solo evh pulls out 1 of his best tricks - the full note bend right hand tapped harmonic...where he bends a string a whole note up & taps the same string an octave higher (or 12 frets upper on the neck) to sound the harmonic...great!...

hey, don't be so hard on yourself man...you think you had it tough? you're lucky enough to have had piano lessons...i never had any formal (or informal for that matter) training or lessons for guitar...i learned all that i know from actual sepra, & the little music theory i know from reading the guitar clinics in guitar player mag...speaking for myself, i find no need for music literacy to play my kind of music...in the past i thirsted so much to learn to read music...i know how to read music but very slowly, it cannot be of any use...

in my time, there was very little material to draw from...i had to borrow guitar player mags from a friend & just had pages xeroxed for myself...there were no cds...i seprad off 33s (lp records) meaning that i had to constantly pick up the stylus to play a passage over & over until i finally got it...yes we had casettes, but most of the time they were damaged if not stuck...i remember a time when i couldn't afford to buy git effects...what i did was build my own distortion from schematic diagrams of sine-to-square wave converters i found in electronics books from our school library...& playing that cheap locally made guitar with the crappy pickups made of tin & with rusted screws as posts...yeah, those were the days...

yet i never let any of those stop me from pursuing my passion for my music & my guitar playing...in fact, it was with those limitations that my interest grew even stronger...

i often find myself envying young guitarists of today...they have all the facilities & resources...everything is available...they can choose from a wide range of effects & amps...they can get tabs for songs they want to sepra...cds, mp3, vcd, dvd...boy! if only i had all of these in my time...

so if somehow you feel stuck bro, get out of that rut...listen to some new material to learn...& keep right on SEPRAing...but you've got to love what you're doing to enjoy yourself all the while...& that's what's important...

a flying v! cool axe man! rudolf schenker crossed with randy rhoads?!... how can you miss... hehe... rock on man...

trivia : rudolf schenker's brother - michael (msg) suffered from a mental breakdown & had to be institutionalized...after 1 & a half years in a mental facility, he was released with a clean bill of health...a month after, he formed msg...& the rest is history...attack of the mad axeman?...hehe...

[jamespegarido]

dieseldust bro!!! nice of you to drop by...it's good to have someone else in this thread...seems like forever that it had only been me & james_mustaine trading insights & keeping this thread alive...

the german mad axeman...formerly of ufo, was an axemaster in his own right...with a sound unmistakably their own, they harvested their very own legion of fans & carved their own nitche as 1 of hard rock's most influential bands to come out of the 80s...

schenker's exotic guitar playing style runs very congruent to his contemporary - german axe legend uli jon roth of scorpions fame...fave tunes include rock you to the ground, into the arena, attack of the mad axeman, captain nemo, rock will never die...among others...