How do you obtain Salvation?

[sanggano_boy]

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1 Peter 1:7 this verse is saying that FAITH should be proven genuine. And how can we know that it is genuine? James gave the category. Faith must be proven by Good WORKS.

Hebrews 10:39 this verse tells us that faith will lead us to salvation. But again James tells us that Faith w/o work is dead.


As ive learned you dont conclude a certain subject by means of getting all the verse that supports the same subject but also get those verses that seem to oppose the idea as well.

you have verses that seemingly support Salvation by faith alone but on the other hand you also have a verse that suggest: to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" and "faith must be proven by good deeds."

pull them together and what do you have? Remember the rule. What do you have? Faith will save us but it must be a kind of Faith proven by Good deeds.Let me give it a different angle--- Good works is needed for that Faith to work and be a saving faith.

In simple term saving faith is define as faith plus good works.


You didnt explain Philippians instead you asked me a question.

yeah sure philippians was intended for the Christians and Paul is telling them to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Meaning he was telling them to work for their salvation,how? by faith proven by Good works.

Faith alone can not save you.

How would you know that some words from JOhn 3:16 is not from Jesus? I study the bible sir w/ external sources. Thats why i know that the word "begotten" was striken out from other versions of the bible because it was found to be inaccurate. then there are other reasons why some words found in that verse and in the following verses are not of Jesus.

The book 1 peter, whom Peter wrote is again address to Christians in our common language today,

1 Peter 1

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Now, can anyone be called a Christian even if he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day? Or not being saved? Not at all, The next question is "What now after we've been (baptized by the Holy Spirit) or converted to Christians?"
Are we going to live same life, following our sinfulness? No. And that's what this verses is all about,

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:39 "Darby Translation"
But *we* are not drawers back to perdition, but of faith to saving [the] soul.

And this good works written in the bible is the fruit of the Spirit given to every genuine believer in Christ Jesus.
The apostle Peter and Paul, are giving instructions to other disciples and believer to live a Holy Life to live as a Christian as the LORD Jesus commanded and taught them.

The difference is that:

Salvation = faith
and this faith is being manifested by the fruit of the Spirit (Good works).

And not

Salvation = faith + Good works


I'll give you example:

Abraham as we all know he is the father of faith, father of all nation, God's friend?

Did he know that he's doing the good works that God require, when he obey God to leave his homeland?
how would he know, when there's no Law at that time? (No ten commandments or Bible)
In that case, it's impossible to distinguish the right from the wrong? (In God's Standard of Holiness)

How would he know that obeying God is the right thing to do?
He has always a choice, to just settle down in his homeland or to go the promise Land that God will give him not knowing what will happen?

Therefore, we can conclude that he was justified by his faith.

if faith + Good works is Salvation, how do we know that our good works are enough to save us? considering we have faith in God.
What if we stumble, we fall into sin, are we disqualified from our Salvation?

yes, it's correct that it's face out from other translations like the NIV, but for the KJV version it uses "begotten". But if we focused on this interpretation errors we're really missing alot of what the bible has to say.
But there's a lot of verses that proves that this verse is true?

Example:

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

If you've understood the bible, there's no other book in this planet, that dares to prophecy the events as we've witness happen on this age?

No, other book written, was written by many writers inspired by the holy spirit, and when you read it, it's like written by a sigle person?

No, other book written from about 2000 years ago, survived despite of severe destruction and oppositions. And survey says that the Bible has the most number of copies in the history of literature

[regnauld]

The book 1 peter, whom Peter wrote is again address to Christians in our common language today,

1 Peter 1

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Now, can anyone be called a Christian even if he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day? Or not being saved? Not at all, The next question is "What now after we've been (baptized by the Holy Spirit) or converted to Christians?"
Are we going to live same life, following our sinfulness? No. And that's what this verses is all about,

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:39 "Darby Translation"
But *we* are not drawers back to perdition, but of faith to saving [the] soul.

And this good works written in the bible is the fruit of the Spirit given to every genuine believer in Christ Jesus.
The apostle Peter and Paul, are giving instructions to other disciples and believer to live a Holy Life to live as a Christian as the LORD Jesus commanded and taught them.

The difference is that:

Salvation = faith
and this faith is being manifested by the fruit of the Spirit (Good works).

And not

Salvation = faith + Good works


I'll give you example:

Abraham as we all know he is the father of faith, father of all nation, God's friend?

Did he know that he's doing the good works that God require, when he obey God to leave his homeland?
how would he know, when there's no Law at that time? (No ten commandments or Bible)
In that case, it's impossible to distinguish the right from the wrong? (In God's Standard of Holiness)

How would he know that obeying God is the right thing to do?
He has always a choice, to just settle down in his homeland or to go the promise Land that God will give him not knowing what will happen?

Therefore, we can conclude that he was justified by his faith.

if faith + Good works is Salvation, how do we know that our good works are enough to save us? considering we have faith in God.
What if we stumble, we fall into sin, are we disqualified from our Salvation?

yes, it's correct that it's face out from other translations like the NIV, but for the KJV version it uses "begotten". But if we focused on this interpretation errors we're really missing alot of what the bible has to say.
But there's a lot of verses that proves that this verse is true?

Example:

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

If you've understood the bible, there's no other book in this planet, that dares to prophecy the events as we've witness happen on this age?

No, other book written, was written by many writers inspired by the holy spirit, and when you read it, it's like written by a sigle person?

No, other book written from about 2000 years ago, survived despite of severe destruction and oppositions. And survey says that the Bible has the most number of copies in the history of literature

Have you read Misquoting Jesus? By Bart Ehrman, world famous bible scholar

[sanggano_boy]

Have you read Misquoting Jesus? By Bart Ehrman, world famous bible scholar

Nope? why?

[regnauld]

Nope? why?

You will know the bible has full of errors and mistranslation if your read "Misquoting Jesus"

[sanggano_boy]

You will know the bible has full of errors and mistranslation if your read "Misquoting Jesus"

I'm sure you read Evolution Books or Science books. Is it perfectly written? Do you know how many typographical errors it has? Some written 400 years ago?
And do you know that some Science facts before are not true today?

The Bible was written 2000+ years, from a variety of authors and writers and with so many translation almost in any language or dialects, so possible of that it's not perfect?

But as Christians born of the Spirit, We believe it's perfect!. Why? Since before, it can change lives up until now and most specially can save your soul by God's grace!. It's facts remain true today. No other book in this earth surpasses what the bible has been through despite of the unbelieving generation's effort to extinct it. Popes burn every piece of it, but they fail! why? because their is a great and mighty God protecting it! If it's not God's word it would have been extinct long ago.

Such unbelieving generations that even though the scientist dug-up a 2000+ years old scrolls containing the old testaments of the Bible also known as the "Dead Sea Scrolls"? But they still prefer Evolution! written in what? 400, 300, 200 years old?

I thank and Praise the LORD for his goodness that he enable me to see the TRUTH out of billions of people in this earth, and I pray also even to who ever read this, that God might convict their hearts, and change it, and be brought to saving knowledge through Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior.

ask lang ko, I've read some of your posts. Asa mn jud ka mo stand in your faith? God knows this and we will be accountable even in this.

[sanggano_boy]

You will know the bible has full of errors and mistranslation if your read "Misquoting Jesus"

Skeptics judge the bible because of it's imperfections and yet nobody is perfect!.
Even Computer Servers Crashes sometimes.


As the old saying goes "Do not judge a book by it's cover"?

Same as with the Bible, do not judge it by it's imperfections read it's contents!
else, we're missing a lot? we will missed eternity!!

Believe in the LORD Jesus Christ and you will be saved!

[Malic]

The book 1 peter, whom Peter wrote is again address to Christians in our common language today,

1 Peter 1

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Now, can anyone be called a Christian even if he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day? Or not being saved? Not at all, The next question is "What now after we've been (baptized by the Holy Spirit) or converted to Christians?"
Are we going to live same life, following our sinfulness? No. And that's what this verses is all about,

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:39 "Darby Translation"
But *we* are not drawers back to perdition, but of faith to saving [the] soul.

And this good works written in the bible is the fruit of the Spirit given to every genuine believer in Christ Jesus.
The apostle Peter and Paul, are giving instructions to other disciples and believer to live a Holy Life to live as a Christian as the LORD Jesus commanded and taught them.

The difference is that:

Salvation = faith
and this faith is being manifested by the fruit of the Spirit (Good works).

And not

Salvation = faith + Good works


I'll give you example:

Abraham as we all know he is the father of faith, father of all nation, God's friend?

Did he know that he's doing the good works that God require, when he obey God to leave his homeland?
how would he know, when there's no Law at that time? (No ten commandments or Bible)
In that case, it's impossible to distinguish the right from the wrong? (In God's Standard of Holiness)

How would he know that obeying God is the right thing to do?
He has always a choice, to just settle down in his homeland or to go the promise Land that God will give him not knowing what will happen?

Therefore, we can conclude that he was justified by his faith.

if faith + Good works is Salvation, how do we know that our good works are enough to save us? considering we have faith in God.
What if we stumble, we fall into sin, are we disqualified from our Salvation?

yes, it's correct that it's face out from other translations like the NIV, but for the KJV version it uses "begotten". But if we focused on this interpretation errors we're really missing alot of what the bible has to say.
But there's a lot of verses that proves that this verse is true?

Example:

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

If you've understood the bible, there's no other book in this planet, that dares to prophecy the events as we've witness happen on this age?

No, other book written, was written by many writers inspired by the holy spirit, and when you read it, it's like written by a sigle person?

No, other book written from about 2000 years ago, survived despite of severe destruction and oppositions. And survey says that the Bible has the most number of copies in the history of literature

Sir you are out of the way.

you are not following the trail of our discussion. You simply rehashed your explanation w/c i already answered.


on Abraham's case...

Of course he knew that obeying God is the right thing to do. Conscience was his guiding light. Even before the Mosaic law Man has already a concept of what is right and wrong. Remember Cain and Abel? One of them knew whats the Right sacrifice was.

on Ephesians 2:10---this verse is telling us to do good works. Read it again this time do it carefully.


and much of what you posted are simply a rehash. Pls follow the trail of our discussion and pls give me a CLEAR rebuttal of what is written in Philippians and my previous argument.


The KJV versions has a lot of errors and it is so serious, that is why they came up a different version of the bible. Do you know that?

The claim of bible inerrancy and inspiration is too much to neglect interpretation errors.

on John 20:31-- it says son of God and not only begotten son of God. by the way the word son is not in capital in ancient manuscript. correct me if im wrong tho.


I have my own study of the bible and i found out that not all prophecies were accurate.

In my study i also found out that its NOT like written at all by one single person. But rather the Bishops influenced by the work of a single church father chose the manuscripts that seem to agree to each other and reject the others even if it was more reliable than the canonical books that you Christians have today.

The number one religion is Christianity so it follows that many people are using it therefore it is the bestselling book in history that includes the catholic bible that has the apocryphal book. Thats nothing to be surprised of.

[Malic]

Skeptics judge the bible because of it's imperfections and yet nobody is perfect!.
Even Computer Servers Crashes sometimes.


As the old saying goes "Do not judge a book by it's cover"?

Same as with the Bible, do not judge it by it's imperfections read it's contents!
else, we're missing a lot? we will missed eternity!!

Believe in the LORD Jesus Christ and you will be saved!

Computer servers never claimed to be perfect.

Other books give no claim to be inspired by GOD and free from errors.

Thats the reason why the bible should not be treated like any other book,do you agree?

[sanggano_boy]

Sir you are out of the way.

you are not following the trail of our discussion. You simply rehashed your explanation w/c i already answered.


on Abraham's case...

Of course he knew that obeying God is the right thing to do. Conscience was his guiding light. Even before the Mosaic law Man has already a concept of what is right and wrong. Remember Cain and Abel? One of them knew whats the Right sacrifice was.

on Ephesians 2:10---this verse is telling us to do good works. Read it again this time do it carefully.


and much of what you posted are simply a rehash. Pls follow the trail of our discussion and pls give me a CLEAR rebuttal of what is written in Philippians and my previous argument.


The KJV versions has a lot of errors and it is so serious, that is why they came up a different version of the bible. Do you know that?

The claim of bible inerrancy and inspiration is too much to neglect interpretation errors.

on John 20:31-- it says son of God and not only begotten son of God. by the way the word son is not in capital in ancient manuscript. correct me if im wrong tho.


I have my own study of the bible and i found out that not all prophecies were accurate.

In my study i also found out that its NOT like written at all by one single person. But rather the Bishops influenced by the work of a single church father chose the manuscripts that seem to agree to each other and reject the others even if it was more reliable than the canonical books that you Christians have today.

The number one religion is Christianity so it follows that many people are using it therefore it is the bestselling book in history that includes the catholic bible that has the apocryphal book. Thats nothing to be surprised of.

I'll make this simple, the writer of Philipians same as the book of 1 peter, addresses this to the ministry or to the believers (Christians).
Now, if they are called Christians or Believer are they not Saved? of couse some of them are Saved! Because that's the first step of being a Christians.

Now for this verse,
Philippians 2:12
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

if you're going to read it to the top by it's context, you will understand that this verse was to encourage Christians to live by faith, bearing the fruit of the Spirit (Which is the good work found in the bible).
Because in this way unbelievers will know that they bare the testimony of Jesus Christ. Because they are different, that is why Peter branded the believer "strangers in the world"

What's my basis for this?

Because Paul said in Ephesians 2:8-9 "
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. "
Very Clear that it's only grace through faith!

would this contradict his writings on Philippians 2:12 which talks " work out your salvation"? of course not!. It's to encourage the believers to be Christ-Like in Character.

That's why I wrote this,

Salvation = faith
and this faith is being manifested by the fruit of the Spirit (Good works).

The Basis is this verses:
Ephesians 2:8-10 (New International Version)
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Salvation first before good works!

Not!

Salvation = faith + Good works

if faith + Good works is Salvation, how do we know that our good works are enough to save us? considering we have faith in God.
What if we stumble, we fall into sin, are we disqualified from our Salvation?

Yes, I agree with you about KJV, it has errors
yes, and they came up with other translation like "NIV", which are based from 1,000 plus references if i'm not mistaken.

About John 20:31, I did'nt say that it has "begotten" words on it?
I only said "But there's a lot of verses that proves that this verse is true?" base from JOhn 3:16

Even how many error, and translations as they say, but my question is this,
Did the message of God was Changed?
The Good news of his Salvation?

The Attackers of the Bible are really busy scrutinizing, every details or words in it, finding fault, forgetting what's really the message of it.

There just busy finding the pieces of the puzzle, but they don't figure what's really all about, what message it brings.

[sanggano_boy]

Computer servers never claimed to be perfect.

Other books give no claim to be inspired by GOD and free from errors.

Thats the reason why the bible should not be treated like any other book,do you agree?

Nope,
It is inspired by God, compare it to other books, no one dares to prophecy like the bible

2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,