How do you obtain Salvation?

[sanggano_boy]

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OT: see next post. (this one is a mistake).

John 3:19-21

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[a]

[alucardxiiv]

sal·va·tion (sāl-vā'shən) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. 
   
   1. Preservation or deliverance from destruction, difficulty, or evil.
   2. A source, means, or cause of such preservation or deliverance.
   3. Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption.
   4. The agent or means that brings about such deliverance.
   
   
2. Christianity
   
   1. Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption.
   2. The agent or means that brings about such deliverance
   
   

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just be good and you'll be saved

[baliguat]

For me, through faith and doing God's will.

I agree, pero lisod buhaton!

[sanggano_boy]

sal·va·tion (sāl-vā'shən) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. 
   
   1. Preservation or deliverance from destruction, difficulty, or evil.
   2. A source, means, or cause of such preservation or deliverance.
   3. Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption.
   4. The agent or means that brings about such deliverance.
   
   
2. Christianity
   
   1. Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption.
   2. The agent or means that brings about such deliverance
   
   

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just be good and you'll be saved

Dictionary = worldly knowledge and perspective.


Bible = God's revelation to man. All writings are inspired by God
2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Dictionary or Bible?

[alucardxiiv]

Dictionary = worldly knowledge and perspective.


Bible = God's revelation to man. All writings are inspired by God
2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Dictionary or Bible?

Sorry, what i mean, i got that from dictionary dot com.

i don't care what's the source. i'm just stating it.

[regnauld]

Dictionary = worldly knowledge and perspective.


Bible = God's revelation to man. All writings are inspired by God
2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Dictionary or Bible?

So, if people don't read the bible, will they go to hell?

[Malic]

Saving Faith(Genuine Faith) will cause us to obey what Jesus Christ has commanded us to do so. Will cause us to repent our sins.

John 3:16-18
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[b]

After we are saved? what now? What will do?

Ephesians 2:8-10
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

I've explain Philippians 2:12 in my previous posts.

Dont play words my friend.

Show me a verse that says there is "saving faith,genuine faith"...or these words exist only in the minds of the christian apologists.

As far as i know the bible only says 'faith' and faith w/o work is dead. You can always prove me wrong tho but i need a verse. Not some semantics done by christian apologists.

Even the devil believe in God...but only lacks good deeds. Faith in God is not enough it must be accompanied by Good deeds.

and...you didnt explain James and and i cant find philippians can you give me the post number?


and john 3:16 is a highly questionable verse. why? some words are found to be not from Jesus.

[sanggano_boy]

Dont play words my friend.

Show me a verse that says there is "saving faith,genuine faith"...or these words exist only in the minds of the christian apologists.

As far as i know the bible only says 'faith' and faith w/o work is dead. You can always prove me wrong tho but i need a verse. Not some semantics done by christian apologists.

Even the devil believe in God...but only lacks good deeds. Faith in God is not enough it must be accompanied by Good deeds.

and...you didnt explain James and and i cant find philippians can you give me the post number?


and john 3:16 is a highly questionable verse. why? some words are found to be not from Jesus.

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:39 "Darby Translation"
But *we* are not drawers back to perdition, but of faith to saving [the] soul.

As I've learned, when interpreting the bible you should understand it by context not verbatimly! of couse with the help of the Holy Spirit.


Sorry it's my mistake. I thought I explained already Philippians, but it's only the context from the book of James. But anyway I'll explain Philippians briefly.

If you will read the context of Philippians, Paul addresses it to the ministry (the saints, oversears, and deacons) this people are already Christians?. You may wonder
Paul the same writer of the book of "Ephesians" clearly states that
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2:8-10. And now in the book of Philippians he turn it to "faith and works or good works"?

Wrong, it's not right that you only quote verses from the bible, you have to understand the context of it. The Bible says in James 2:21-26
" 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,"[a] and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."


Two kinds of Faith

Dead Faith (Not Faith at all)= A Lot of People are knowledgeable about Jesus Christ , But!, Did they really know Jesus by heart? Did they truely love him, the way he wants? Did they worship him the way he wants?
Is Jesus their only LORD and GOD? Did they have personal relationship with Jesus? Did they accept the FREE gift of Salvation that he offers to anybody? Did they

Genuine Faith (Faith) = Answers all of that questions by heart


Faith is a verb because it means we must act on what we believe. Faith, as we have seen, is the theological virtue of being secure in our belief that God is real and that His Son died on the cross for our sins.

We can illustrate salvation in simple way:

1. If I will give you a surprise gift(salvation is a free gift),

Is there any effort you make to create that gift? Did we participate in it?
Not at all,

Same as with Salvation , We did not participate in it, we did not plan it, and only God can accomplish it.
even if we participate we are disqualified since we all have sinned as Romans 3:23
says "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". and the penalty of sin is death(spiritual and physical death) as Romans 6:23
says "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

what will you do to receive it?
accepting the gift.
accepting Jesus Christ as our personal LORD and Saviour (cause that's who he is)


2. Another perfect illustration is written in the Bible Luke 23:40-45

But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."

Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[c]"

Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

The question is:
Did the criminal mentioned, live doing good things (e.g. touching other peoples lives)? I don't think so, that's why he was sentenced to die, for his wrong doings. But because of his faith in Jesus Christ he was saved

Anything that discredit what Jesus Christ has done, is not salvation. Sad to say is that a lot of people are creating their way to salvation. The Bible is reall clear that there's only ONE WAY Jesus Christ (John 14:6). We can have repentance because God's holy spirit will convict us that we are sinners. After you obtain salvation then you can live a Holy life (set apart from the world).
And living by faith doing what God pleases all for his Glory, because it's God's commandments, John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command". This is a testimony to world that you are genuinely save and now connected to God.
and are justified by faith.

How would you know that some words from JOhn 3:16 is not from Jesus?


Read the book of "Romans" and "John" it has some explaination why it's by grace through faith alone. I pray that God will enable you to understand deeper his words in Christ Jesus our LORD!

[sanggano_boy]

So, if people don't read the bible, will they go to hell?

No, But the bible will help you understand and teach you about who is God and his will for us. The Bible is God's revelation to man.

As we all know that Abraham was credited as righteous because of his faith. The question is Did Abraham read the bible? Certainly not! and there was no bible at that time.

[Malic]

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:39 "Darby Translation"
But *we* are not drawers back to perdition, but of faith to saving [the] soul.

As I've learned, when interpreting the bible you should understand it by context not verbatimly! of couse with the help of the Holy Spirit.


Sorry it's my mistake. I thought I explained already Philippians, but it's only the context from the book of James. But anyway I'll explain Philippians briefly.

If you will read the context of Philippians, Paul addresses it to the ministry (the saints, oversears, and deacons) this people are already Christians?. You may wonder
Paul the same writer of the book of "Ephesians" clearly states that
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2:8-10. And now in the book of Philippians he turn it to "faith and works or good works"?

1 Peter 1:7 this verse is saying that FAITH should be proven genuine. And how can we know that it is genuine? James gave the category. Faith must be proven by Good WORKS.

Hebrews 10:39 this verse tells us that faith will lead us to salvation. But again James tells us that Faith w/o work is dead.


As ive learned you dont conclude a certain subject by means of getting all the verse that supports the same subject but also get those verses that seem to oppose the idea as well.

you have verses that seemingly support Salvation by faith alone but on the other hand you also have a verse that suggest: to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" and "faith must be proven by good deeds."

pull them together and what do you have? Remember the rule. What do you have? Faith will save us but it must be a kind of Faith proven by Good deeds.Let me give it a different angle--- Good works is needed for that Faith to work and be a saving faith.

In simple term saving faith is define as faith plus good works.


You didnt explain Philippians instead you asked me a question.

yeah sure philippians was intended for the Christians and Paul is telling them to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Meaning he was telling them to work for their salvation,how? by faith proven by Good works.

Faith alone can not save you.




How would you know that some words from JOhn 3:16 is not from Jesus? I study the bible sir w/ external sources. Thats why i know that the word "begotten" was striken out from other versions of the bible because it was found to be inaccurate. then there are other reasons why some words found in that verse and in the following verses are not of Jesus.