Cebu City = murder city ??

[bfg9000]

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these criminals were treated humanely and Christianly when justice were served to them on their first or nth offenses..but it seems they like going in and out of prison instead of renewing their life for good...now bfg9000, how will you suppose to deal with that?..do you want another inoccent people to be another victim of these crooks you protected?

Then imprison them again. and again. Because thats what our law says. And no one is above the law. If you don't like it... then have congress replace it with something like a "three strikes" law. Or like I said, abolish all prisons and just execute every convict.

in the eyes of law makers it is indeed ILLEGAL, of course they will not allow another attorneys pay to banish in thin air [lolz..pun intended]..but in the victims or other peoples perspective, justice is definityle served!

Yes, but the law maybe harsh, but it is the law. Again, if majority of people believe the law to be inadequate, then have it changed by congress. Don't take the law into your own hands, that'll just result in anarchy.

we can say that these vigilanties indeed stoop down to the level of the criminals if there acts contributed another atrocities to the community..but NO!..they are in reverse..they are here to eliminate the criminals, the lawless people who sow atrocities to innocent civilians.

You can not correct a wrong by committing another wrong. What they are doing is murder, they are every bit as criminal as the "lawless" people they execute. Like I said, we live in a society of laws. They should not take the law into their own hands. Doing so makes them criminals, and in the eyes of our laws, they are just as low as the criminals they've executed. Remember that our laws were enacted by congress which represents the people.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Well, do you?

Â*Now were talking . What if I said YES ?

They already did? So they'll commit one again? Hahaha. You don't understand past and future. Unacceptable to society? If they were unacceptable to society, they would have been given the death penalty. Again, amend the law first before you take it into your own hands.

They already did AFTER theygot out and will do it over and over again . Unsay lisod sabton sa PAST and FUTURE na atong gi storyahan diri is PRESENT ra man ?? Hehehe .... DEATH PENALTY by the V's that is .

Look up the meaning of "preventive" in your dictionary, if you have one.

Kalain ngaway ug gwapo .

Killing someone because you believe they will commit a crime, but not in the act, is preventive. Ok, if I believe you're a bad person, I'll shoot you even if you're not doing anything wrong because I believe you'll do something in the future.

Â* LOLZ ... u are right in ur definition and stand of PREVENTIVE MURDER . The thing is ang gi buhat sa V's dili PREVENTION but SILOT kay gi buhat na sa KRIMINAL ang KABUANG nila , it may not be on the ACT . Masakpan lage ang hero nato GINUS kung kinahanglan on the ACT sila katayon . Kuhaa imong diksyunary na English - Visayan ha aron kabalo ka sa buot ipasabot sa SILOT .

The victims of the crime, already got their justice ACCORDING TO OUR LAWS when these criminals were convicted. After they were released, they had already paid their dues to society.

Â*Yes they did , but they died because of something else and not the crimes they commited why they were in jail . Naa silay gibuhat na pod na kabuang after getting out aside from the crimes that was paid in full already .... interest na lang gi kolekta sa V's .

When you kill them before they even committed another crime, without even knowing if they will actually commit one, that is no longer justice, but murder.

Â*And who said about V's Â*PREDICTING their HITS Ikaw ra man cguro ni open ana .

Again, how do you know nga wala pa siya nitagam? Why kill him?

Â*Na priso na gani who knows gi lobot na sa sulod but pag gawas padayon man gihapon sa kabuang . SOme went to the old ways , some went worst .

They already did, and they were already convicted and imprisoned for it.

Â*You still dont get it do you or you refused to comprehend it ? Ni commit na sila ug bag-ong KRIMEN after sila ni serve ug time . Style gyud nimo murag LADY ARTURA cge ug Na Hala !! Murag guba na plaka .

That's the limit of their punishment according to OUR LAWS. If you believe that's insufficient, then write your congressman.

Â*Make it more realistic , have ur LEADER organized a functional and effective LAW ENFORCEMENT aron sila ang mo implement sa law . Cge lang ka ug PANTASYA tawn na mga scenarios .

Again wala kay ikatubag? Ikaw ra cgeg balikbalik nga ok ra to kill someone outside the law.

LOLZ ... mga taong gahi pasabton . That was meant for ur hard headedness na INOSENTE ang mga gipatay kay GOOD BOY na sila after they got out of PRISON . Not the issue of killing someone outside the law .

If they already committed a crime, arrest them and prosecute them and execute them by lethal injection since that's what's prescribed by the law. Otherwise, you have no right to murder them unless they are in the act of endangering someone, which clearly is not the case. Lisod sabton para nimo dodong jhurdz?

Â*Aguy nerz .... i love you GINUS ! There is no DEATH PENALTY for the crimes they commited but hantod na cge sila ug buhat ana , they need to stop . Ikaw na man karon ang nag imagine na dekorasyon ra ang LAW kay mo lethal injection ka sa crime na mugging .

Again, if you don't believe in the justice system, then have it abolished and replaced by death squads. Call your congressman.

Â* Lets talk about Panday , Darna , Zuma or Volta ... hilig man ka ug FANTASY . Make it realistic mahal kong GINUS ..... tell ur CONGRESSMAN to make sure that his LAW ENFORCERS are doing their jobs properly .

Haha... keep saying that to yourself... mao ra cguro na imong kalipay... feeling nimo nasupalpal ko nimo when it's really the other way around.... have fun!

Â*Mao bitaw na develop nako niom yadz ! Kalipay ko na syooo ... fagka imoral !!!

- Empress of Drac

[bfg9000]

Now were talking . What if I said YES ?

Then why don't you do something about it?

They already did AFTER theygot out and will do it over and over again . Unsay lisod sabton sa PAST and FUTURE na atong gi storyahan diri is PRESENT ra man ?? Hehehe .... DEATH PENALTY by the V's that is .

Like I said if you had read my whole post, if they committed a crime AFTER being released, then they should be arrested and prosecuted and executed if prescribed by the law.

Kalain ngaway ug gwapo .

Gwapo? Ikaw?

LOLZ ... u are right in ur definition and stand of PREVENTIVE MURDER . The thing is ang gi buhat sa V's dili PREVENTION but SILOT kay gi buhat na sa KRIMINAL ang KABUANG nila , it may not be on the ACT . Masakpan lage ang hero nato GINUS kung kinahanglan on the ACT sila katayon . Kuhaa imong diksyunary na English - Visayan ha aron kabalo ka sa buot ipasabot sa SILOT .

Dong jhurdz, if they were NOT caught in the act of endangering someone, they should be ARRESTED, not killed. If the vigilantes know about what they did, they should inform a policeman, not take the law into their own hands. Follow the law! Klaro nimo dong?

Yes they did , but they died because of something else and not the crimes they commited why they were in jail . Naa silay gibuhat na pod na kabuang after getting out aside from the crimes that was paid in full already .... interest na lang gi kolekta sa V's .

Again, they should be arrested, not killed. That's illegal.

And who said about V's PREDICTING their HITS Ikaw ra man cguro ni open ana .

If they had committed no crime after being released, then were killed, that's murder. If they HAD committed a crime but were not in the act of endangering someone, then were killed, that's STILL murder. They should be arrested; that's what the law says. Doing otherwise is breaking the law and makes you a criminal.

Na priso na gani who knows gi lobot na sa sulod but pag gawas padayon man gihapon sa kabuang . SOme went to the old ways , some went worst .

Then arrest them again, prosecute them again!

You still dont get it do you or you refused to comprehend it ? Ni commit na sila ug bag-ong KRIMEN after sila ni serve ug time . Style gyud nimo murag LADY ARTURA cge ug Na Hala !! Murag guba na plaka .

You still don't get it either, mas guba pa ka nga plaka. Killing anyone outside of what is prescribed in the law, is MURDER.

Make it more realistic , have ur LEADER organized a functional and effective LAW ENFORCEMENT aron sila ang mo implement sa law . Cge lang ka ug PANTASYA tawn na mga scenarios .

Again, if law enforcement is inefficient, then assist them by giving them information. Taking the law into your own hands is simply WRONG. It's not fantasy, it's reality. You're the one living in a fantasy world where some vigilante hero goes around murdering "criminals", ala "The Punisher".

LOLZ ... mga taong gahi pasabton . That was meant for ur hard headedness na INOSENTE ang mga gipatay kay GOOD BOY na sila after they got out of PRISON . Not the issue of killing someone outside the law .

That's not the point, the point is people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I'd understand if you've never heard of that though, given your obviously limited education and intelligence.

Aguy nerz .... i love you GINUS ! There is no DEATH PENALTY for the crimes they commited but hantod na cge sila ug buhat ana , they need to stop . Ikaw na man karon ang nag imagine na dekorasyon ra ang LAW kay mo lethal injection ka sa crime na mugging .

Wala man diay death penalty, so why kill them? If society did not decree a death penalty for whatever crime they committed, who are you to kill them? So you presume to know better than the society which crafted the law? Again you show your lack of respect for the law.

Lets talk about Panday , Darna , Zuma or Volta ... hilig man ka ug FANTASY . Make it realistic mahal kong GINUS ..... tell ur CONGRESSMAN to make sure that his LAW ENFORCERS are doing their jobs properly .

Yes, they're not doing their jobs properly because they can't arrest the vigilantes, who are CRIMINALS. Like I said, you're the one in a fantasy world where a vigilante hero walks around executing criminals on sight... like "The Punisher", Dirty Harry, or Charles Bronson. In the real world, we have laws, police, courts, and judges. Wake up!

[tolstoi]

Then imprison them again. and again. Because thats what our law says. And no one is above the law. If you don't like it... then have congress replace it with something like a "three strikes" law. Or like I said, abolish all prisons and just execute every convict.

this vigilantism is setting up example to those who are still planning to sow criminality in the city..if you can notice, the petty crime rates is low compared to last year before vigilantism, therefore it served as signal to thwart would-be criminals not to pursue their wicked doings..

seems like you are ubiquitously infusing here to make a law regarding vigilantism, but little you didn't know that though unwritten, people behind this group is actually enforcing the law..if congress will write a law on this then it will defeat the main concept of v-i-g-i-l-a-n-t-i-s-m

[bfg9000]

this vigilantism is setting up example to those who are still planning to sow criminality in the city..if you can notice, the petty crime rates is low compared to last year before vigilantism, therefore it served as signal to thwart would-be criminals not to pursue their wicked doings..

"The end does not justify the means" ... "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"

seems like you are ubiquitously infusing here to make a law regarding vigilantism, but little you didn't know that though unwritten, people behind this group is actually enforcing the law..if congress will write a law on this then it will defeat the main concept of v-i-g-i-l-a-n-t-i-s-m

If it's not yet a law, it can't be enforced, can it? The vigilantes should follow the law, if they're so law-abiding. If there's no law that says "kill all petty criminals" then they shouldn't do it, otherwise they are just as criminal. Breaking the present law to enforce a "future" law doesn't make sense.

[tolstoi]

If it's not yet a law, it can't be enforced, can it? The vigilantes should follow the law, if they're so law-abiding. If there's no law that says "kill all petty criminals" then they shouldn't do it, otherwise they are just as criminal. Breaking the present law to enforce a "future" law doesn't make sense.

these crooks you protected don't read laws or even recognize one..they've been in and out of jail countless of times and still do the same wickedness..like i said this vigilantism has its postive effects like thwarting future criminalitites, few of them may had been liquidated but more of their kind will be save in the process..and that is if they will heed the warnings or lessons the vigilantes infused in them.

[bfg9000]

these crooks you protected don't read laws or even recognize one..they've been in and out of jail countless of times and still do the same wickedness..like i said this vigilantism has its postive effects like thwarting future criminalitites, few of them may had been liquidated but more of their kind will be save in the process..and that is if they will heed the warnings or lessons the vigilantes infused in them.

I'm not protecting "those crooks". I'm protecting the rule of law. Breaking laws, even if you feel its justified, just leads you down a slippery slope to anarchy. I despise these criminals as much as anyone else, but I still would prefer than they be dealt with through lawful means rather than through "vigilante" killings. Who gave these "vigilantes" the right to determine who lives and who dies? We already have a justice system, it's not perfect, but it's what the majority of our society has chosen.

As for "lessons"... doesn't vigilante action also give the lesson that "it's ok to take the law into your own hands" and "if you believe someone has committed a crime, don't call the cops, just salvage him".... Are those lessons you want your kids to learn?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Then why don't you do something about it?

Â* Are we on the same page ??

Gwapo? Ikaw?

DOnt take it LITERALLY again for the NTH time . Marami ang namatay sa maling akala , sa english pa " many died because of I thought " LOLZ !!

Dong jhurdz, if they were NOT caught in the act of endangering someone, they should be ARRESTED, not killed. If the vigilantes know about what they did, they should inform a policeman, not take the law into their own hands. Follow the law! Klaro nimo dong?

Â* Inform the policeman ? LOLZ .. thats what we did for the past years right and still experienced the crimes from the people we reported . They want to learn their lesson the hard way dodong .

If they had committed no crime after being released, then were killed, that's murder. If they HAD committed a crime but were not in the act of endangering someone, then were killed, that's STILL murder. They should be arrested; that's what the law says. Doing otherwise is breaking the law and makes you a criminal.

Â* How did you know that gi patay sila as innocent EX CONVICTS ?

Then arrest them again, prosecute them again!

Â* Ikaw na lang pag PULIS PATOLA dodong GINUS . Easily said than done .

You still don't get it either, mas guba pa ka nga plaka. Killing anyone outside of what is prescribed in the law, is MURDER.

Â* Mura man ug kugmo i pahid .

Again, if law enforcement is inefficient, then assist them by giving them information. Taking the law into your own hands is simply WRONG. It's not fantasy, it's reality. You're the one living in a fantasy world where some vigilante hero goes around murdering "criminals", ala "The Punisher".

Â* Like you giving out tips to policemens in order to have a LIVEABLE Cebu City ? Yeah right !! Mas mo tuo pa ko niom ug mo sulti ka ug " TELL it to the MARINES !! " .

That's not the point, the point is people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I'd understand if you've never heard of that though, given your obviously limited education and intelligence.

Â* LOLZ ... i'd trade in EDUCATION and INTELLIGENCE with STREET SMARTS and COMMONSENSE and I can guarantee you of who will be living a better life POSITIVELY and with clean conscience . Get the drift first ha , ayaw ug react dayon na murag guba na plaka .

Wala man diay death penalty, so why kill them? If society did not decree a death penalty for whatever crime they committed, who are you to kill them? So you presume to know better than the society which crafted the law? Again you show your lack of respect for the law.

Â* It is not a matter of RESPECT or DISRESPECT . It is a matter of what is best for the rest . Asa na man na beh ang DECREE na gipanghambog nimo ?

Yes, they're not doing their jobs properly because they can't arrest the vigilantes, who are CRIMINALS. Like I said, you're the one in a fantasy world where a vigilante hero walks around executing criminals on sight... like "The Punisher", Dirty Harry, or Charles Bronson. In the real world, we have laws, police, courts, and judges. Wake up!

Â* I am wide awake.... fact is I even know one of them personally and fact is they really did existed so I dont need to wake up . Ikaw .... have you been still dreaming of ur CONSISTENT and UPHOLDING law for the common good ? Ayaw katulog ug busog , UROM gawas ana yadz .


Â* BTW .. chaser lang ni ha .... ang mga gipang hipos dodong are not ur suking PETTY CRIMINALS .

[giver_bert]

"sometimes u have to do a lil evil to achieve greater good"

from the movie "Kingdom of Heaven"

no pun intented.. but bro, you seriously think killing over a hundred of people out of cold blood is still little/immaterial?

where do you specifically draw the line between what you consider little and what is no longer one? a thousan perhaps?

and if we are to correlate this cost with the 'benefits' it is expected to yeild, did it meet predertermined ends?

were crimes rates significantly abridged since these vigilantees came out of the picture?

or do you, with neutrality (i hope), ever realized that they could be even adding up to the very problem that they're supposed to solve? (i'm referring to crime rates)

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I rest my case .... hehehe naa na si BERTO mabuking unya !!!

Basta ako pro CIVILIANS ko HUNTING down pod the V's !!!