50 killed in Florida nightclub, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance

[Kenshiro]

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awa ra ang reaction sa mga tao, daghan ignorante na mga comments, well, not here in istorya. first they condemn islam, generalized that all muslims are crazy, yes, a big majority of them are crazy as sheyt. and next is, people give negative comments towards the gay community ....


question :: why are people so judgemental and self-righteous ??

Simple, the answer is in Christ character and his disposition towards sin.

Love the sinner but hate sin

while hypocrisy Loves sin but hate the sinner as characterized by the Pharisees during his time.

[Kenshiro]

i think being a good person one doesn't need religion, don't need christ nor allah nor buddha.

it's in our essence that we should do good for our brethren ... it's innate in humans. it's religion that gives division to the people .....

in older times, it was the christians who were violent and in our time, it's this stupid isis who claims to be islam. either way, both are using religion to hurt ... such a shame ..

That source of innate Goodness in us remains a mystery but we have the answer and that is Christ which is the creator of humanity.
Any human person has a propensity to fail, and to become selfish. Humanity by nature is fallen. We can't rely on ourselves for goodness but only through Christ embodiment in ourselves can we be truly good.
We may have unknowingly adhered to what you call "inate goodness" which based its foundation on the Moral law.
Well if you are saying that we don't need any bit of biblical principles in order to attain goodness this will make the term "good" relative this is a downward path, many ideologist terrorist like isis think they are doing good for their god.

Religion creates division from its perceived Good from evil unity doesn't necessarily means goodness.
Unity if possible but truth at all cost. again disagreement doesn't mean hate.

It seems we need to identify those religion that instigated violence as you mentioned we cannot generalize.
Its like generalizing the victim and the murderer are all the same.
When you look at the time of inquisition this where the most horrendous murder and torture committed by a religion.
most of their victims are the protestants and those who defy or disagree the dictates of the pope. Same with isis.

Don't loose sight or walk in the dark Christ is the light of men.
"In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

I'm not trying to give you these conversation just for the sake of it I am hoping in you and any of those who gladly receive.

[salbahis]

I cannot lie, although I have nothing against the LGBT, I do not support their struggles (inclusive na ani ang extreme feminists).

how far would go on "I do not support their struggles"? i always hear this reason sa mga kaila nako nga relihiyoso (including ISIS and some known terrorist), some people dont support it and they just ingore it, some people go the extend of assaulting or coercing physicaly this people... thats why i ask...

PS: i dont like extreme feminism either, thats why i just ignore them?

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That source of innate Goodness in us remains a mystery but we have the answer and that is Christ which is the creator of humanity.
Any human person has a propensity to fail, and to become selfish. Humanity by nature is fallen. We can't rely on ourselves for goodness but only through Christ embodiment in ourselves can we be truly good.
We may have unknowingly adhered to what you call "inate goodness" which based its foundation on the Moral law.
Well if you are saying that we don't need any bit of biblical principles in order to attain goodness this will make the term "good" relative this is a downward path, many ideologist terrorist like isis think they are doing good for their god.

Religion creates division from its perceived Good from evil unity doesn't necessarily means goodness.
Unity if possible but truth at all cost. again disagreement doesn't mean hate.

It seems we need to identify those religion that instigated violence as you mentioned we cannot generalize.
Its like generalizing the victim and the murderer are all the same.
When you look at the time of inquisition this where the most horrendous murder and torture committed by a religion.
most of their victims are the protestants and those who defy or disagree the dictates of the pope. Same with isis.

Don't loose sight or walk in the dark Christ is the light of men.
"In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

I'm not trying to give you these conversation just for the sake of it I am hoping in you and any of those who gladly receive.

some people opt to have control on their life, opinion and not tied to a dogma, i for one, not a believer.... why cant theist (an aetheist alike) respect that, by not insisting on their belief/opinion, most of us... we just ignore people like you, because thats how we respect... we choose to believe on facts...

[salbahis]

this thread is turning into a religion discussion... why cant we focus on there is something wrong on how people threat other people because they are different preference.... the problem is hate... and yet some people just ok... they are doing against our faith so serves them right...

*facepalm*

wa ra moy kalahian sa namusil...

naypa qrx sako... 73

[boyq]

So much hypocrisy here. There's no such thing as "divine" plan or fate. A criminal killed 50 innocent civilians and injured more, period. In a modern and civilized society, we should judge according to the rules of the land and not by some archaic belief or personal opinion.

[Bears Grill]

Would it be a generalization to criticize the ideology of political Islam? Islam, if you ask any Muslim, is not just a religion; it's a comprehensive civilizational ideology. The religious aspect of it is okay with me. It's the political aspect that needs to be challenged. It's the doctrines that say kafirs (infidels) cannot rule any part of Allah's earth, adulterers be stoned to death, apostates be killed, gays/lesbians be thrown off buildings, that Jews are treachearous and the testimony of woman is half of that of a man, etc. Those things are found in Islamic foundational texts (the Sunnah and the Hadiths). Just take a look and see. ISIS, Al Quaeda, Boko Haram in Africa, Lashkar-e-jhangvi in Pakistan, Hizbul Mujahideen in Kashmir, our own Abu Sayyaf, etc...how did they all end up with the same violent interpretation? A coincidence?

Like I said, Islam needs a major reform. That's why I support the reformist Muslims like Maajid Nawaz, Zuhdi Jasser, and Irshad Manji who are currently violently opposed and (sometimes condemned) by influential Imams and Islamic scholars.This "don't generalize" tactic is a deception and serves no purpose than to perpetuate the growing extremism. It's right out of the playbook of the Muslim Brotherhood's "The Project". Just remember what Mohammed said: "War is deceit". Let us all be cognizant of the deception that is always at play whenever Islamic terrorism strikes.

[dodong69]

sa dili christian or motuo ug Ginoo mao nay masulti pero sa christiano lahi pud ug panlantaw mao aron walay daghan storya balik ta sa issue ngano gipang patay man ang 50 ka tawu?
unsa may rason or motibo sa nag patay?

[jamesgalejames]

tinood ning estoryaha nga maong gipamatay ni kay gilood ang suspects sa kahilayan sakalibutan labi na sa mga pulos lalaki mag chula? faeta .. og ingon ani ni sa pinas mahurot gyud mga bayot mga bisexual sa pinas.. makaayo kaha na sa relihiyon nato?

[dodong69]

tinood ning estoryaha nga maong gipamatay ni kay gilood ang suspects sa kahilayan sakalibutan labi na sa mga pulos lalaki mag chula? faeta .. og ingon ani ni sa pinas mahurot gyud mga bayot mga bisexual sa pinas.. makaayo kaha na sa relihiyon nato?

mao gyud bai. hehe dili kalikayan maapil gyud ang imong faith ani kay ug nahibalo ka or strong ka sa pagtou na gaay Ginoo dli nimo mabuhat ang ingana na kahilayan makig chula ug sig ka lalaki ug babaye sa babaye.
pero balik sa issue,ang iyaha nag lagot ra siya sa nakita niya nga dili mao?

[Scott Bernard]

how far would go on "I do not support their struggles"? i always hear this reason sa mga kaila nako nga relihiyoso (including ISIS and some known terrorist), some people dont support it and they just ingore it, some people go the extend of assaulting or coercing physicaly this people... thats why i ask...

PS: i dont like extreme feminism either, thats why i just ignore them?

I'm not talking about religion... I know naa sa Bible God does not want man to man or woman to woman relationship... But as far as I have observed, God allowed LGBT to go forth and multiply around the world... So let Him decide what he wants to do with them.

Sa akoa lang, although I have LGBT friends... I do not agree with some of their lustful activities, it's their choice not mine.

We clean up our own mess... If due to their mess, they get killed... then it's not blood on my hands.