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    Default Re: Erap's Trial: ERAP PARDONED!


    Quote Originally Posted by misericordaliter_everto
    What can Erap to @70?


    mag tudlo ug corruption sa mga batan-ong politiko!
    sama nila ni Escudero., Cayetano., etc...
    he will make a great mentor!
    come 2010 election, si Escudero for President na lansaran.

    there is nothing Erap's money can't buy...

    tsk-tsk-tsk...

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    Para nako, I AGREE to this Erap pardon. This is a well calculated decision. PGMA is not stupid. She is a political genius. She knows very well what the consequences are and she knows it will only be minimal as compared to the pros she will get. From this, she has even gained support from the Catholic church (a big political influence in this country!).

    What is more important for this present administration (and for any past & future administration) is POLITICAL SURVIVABILITY (unsa pa man diay?). From the legal point of view, there is no violation. And everybody can still contest the decision.

    We are well aware that former Pres Fidel Ramos is somehow against some of her decisions and even said that her political career will not even last till 2010. He's still very much influential in the political arena and we don't know what his motives are. To add, JDV's son has allegged about the ZTE anomalies. This will link JDV directly somehow. So meaning, nakuhaan na si PGMA ug major political supporters and is now trying to get the hearts & minds of the Erap faction to maintain the game.

    POLITICS IS ALWAYS DIRTY BUSINESS. Political pressure from all sides, not to mention all the dirty tactics possibly being thrown at the administration. Be it admin or opposition, let the spinmasters do their job.
    From the alleged bribery, the alleged Glorietta cover-up, to the Erap pardon, we can not blame MalacaƱang to do all these things.
    As they say,"What are we in powder form?"(What are we in power for?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FK
    sabak jud sa driver bai.

    everyday... nagkabati... wala jud time nga nagbasol ko sa ako gibutaran.
    mao na'y giingon saon ta man.
    pero wa pud ko nagbasol kay wa man ko nagpangayo ug kunsomo ni GMA, bisan wala pa siya sa pwesto buhi ra man ko ug akoa. and voting for the person whom you think is the right one to do the job is not a crime or a malicious act. so in this respect, 'nagbasol' is not in my vocabulary, 'naminghoy' nuon naa. and 'move on' is the most important entry in my vocabulary.

    read post #571 of giddyboy, do you think your 'gibutaran' can escape that blackhole reality of Philippine politics? replace every name of GMA in that post with the name of your 'gibutaran' or any other candidate, and see that it doesn't make much difference. just not yet. it's not all about whoever the people put there in the top place that makes a big difference right now. it's the political culture, or more generally, the Filipino culture (that includes education, economy, etc.,). kung hugaw ang usa ka lugar daghan jud langaw.
    Like if Jesus Christ were a Filipino, He would have been crucified three times already (Crucifixion I, Crucifixion II, and Crucifixion III) and yet humanity is still far from being saved. Salvation would have been still an ongoing process.
    same with our situation, the big sweeping change that we always dreamed of about our country can only be achieved through each one of us. and that's big sweeping 80 million plus Filipinos. to think about it, it's mind boggling, painstaking, and seemingly impossible that most of us can't help but resign to reality. so, expecting instant results is simply unrealistic.




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    " Why would someone who only stole a pair of jeans be placed behind bars when a person who stole billions of pesos from the government is granted freedom ? This reinforces the perception of many that the criminal justice system in the Philippines doesn't work. If Estrada is granted pardon, the system will no longer be about the law but about who you know and who you are. "

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    GMA is just showing her true colors after all. garapalan. GMA is showing to the whole wide world that there is no real justice in the Philippines. she has no moral ascendancy. she should order a stop to the agency who investigate anti-graft and corrupt practices in the Bureau of Custom and in the BIR. she gave Erap a pardon because she far surpassed Erap's talent in graft and corruption. kalooy sa mga na priso and convicted of graft and corruption who only stole minimal amount than Erap. what a shame GMA!

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    GMA, you do not make the Filipino whereever in the world proud. you make the Filipino a laughing stock before the eyes of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by potterboy
    " Why would someone who only stole a pair of jeans be placed behind bars when a person who stole billions of pesos from the government is granted freedom ? This reinforces the perception of many that the criminal justice system in the Philippines doesn't work. If Estrada is granted pardon, the system will no longer be about the law but about who you know and who you are. "

    Mayor Tomas Osmena

    repost lang nako giingon ni Tomas.
    mao ni giingon wala nay pag-asa ang pilipinas

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    Quote Originally Posted by tru^norf
    mao na'y giingon saon ta man.
    pero wa pud ko nagbasol kay wa man ko nagpangayo ug kunsomo ni GMA, bisan wala pa siya sa pwesto buhi ra man ko ug akoa. and voting for the person whom you think is the right one to do the job is not a crime or a malicious act. so in this respect, 'nagbasol' is not in my vocabulary, 'naminghoy' nuon naa. and 'move on' is the most important entry in my vocabulary.

    read post #571 of giddyboy, do you think your 'gibutaran' can escape that blackhole reality of Philippine politics? replace every name of GMA in that post with the name of your 'gibutaran' or any other candidate, and see that it doesn't make much difference. just not yet. it's not all about whoever the people put there in the top place that makes a big difference right now. it's the political culture, or more generally, the Filipino culture (that includes education, economy, etc.,). kung hugaw ang usa ka lugar daghan jud langaw.
    Like if Jesus Christ were a Filipino, He would have been crucified three times already (Crucifixion I, Crucifixion II, and Crucifixion III) and yet humanity is still far from being saved. Salvation would have been still an ongoing process.
    same with our situation, the big sweeping change that we always dreamed of about our country can only be achieved through each one of us. and that's big sweeping 80 million plus Filipinos. to think about it, it's mind boggling, painstaking, and seemingly impossible that most of us can't help but resign to reality. so, expecting instant results is simply unrealistic.



    thanks, that's a good quote from your end. those are my opinions man sab. sad to say, you are on the idealist side. pwede baya na but ang culture is lisod ug dugay pa kaayo usbon. pila pa kha ka presidente ang muagi para mausab ta tanan significantly. bsan pa cguro mag coup de tat pa or a change in form of gov't.

    sorry but sa atong nasud, hugaw gyud ang dinauwaan sa politika. u have to get ur hands dirty sometimes to survive and for the good of the majority. not only in da phils but sa uban nasud pud. for example, if you somehow watch 24 tv series, ingon ana pareho ang mga sitwasyon sa presidente: compromise deals, presidential pardons, dilemmas & hard decisions, questioned principles, cover-ups, espionage, loyalty checks, sometimes blackmailing. all for NATIONAL SECURITY.

    ANG IMPORTANTE is naay good & concrete changes nga ila gibuhat plus vigilance sa atoang side as a common citizen. like what this admin did and is doing for the taxes, infrastructure, business, poverty alleviation and new laws that would put our economy stronger for the years to come. and our children, and our children's children will reap the rewards of our efforts to make the phils a brighter place to live in...Cebu and the rest of the country will continue to prosper and there's nothing that could stop it...except war or large-scale calamity.. and we hope it doesn't happen...we just pray...

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    mabuhay c ERAP!!!

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    samut gyud ni ang pangurakot kay pwede ra man ma-pardon...

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