Cebu City = murder city ??

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"sometimes u have to do a lil evil to achieve greater good"

I don't know about you, but 100+ murders isn't a "little evil" to me. And just because a Hollywood scriptwriter said it doesn't make it right.

Those men had families. Yes, they were ex-convicts, but everyone deserves a second chance. If you don't agree, then like I said, make vigilantism legal first. We have a constitution AND a bill of rights AND a set of laws. We do not live in a lawless society, we don't live in the Wild West.

By committing murder, you'll become just as criminal as the "evil men" you kill.

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary.
- Mahatma Gandhi

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I don't know about you, but 100+ murders isn't a "little evil" to me. And just because a Hollywood scriptwriter said it doesn't make it right.

Maayong gabie nimo diha dong GINUS .... 100+ is a little evil compared to what those 100 + criminals are about to commit . Ibutang ta lang 5 of each sila .

Those men had families. Yes, they were ex-convicts, but everyone deserves a second chance.

Their victims has families too just like them who deserves to live just like anyone else specially you . How could we give them 2nd chance when they are still into their criminal activities ? Second chance are reserve for people who are sincere of embracing back whats not evil .

If you don't agree, then like I said, make vigilantism legal first. We have a constitution AND a bill of rights AND a set of laws. We do not live in a lawless society, we don't live in the Wild West.

Oh we do live in a LAWLESS society literally. If we are living in a society bound by laws that are always implemented then logically walay VIGILANTE ni exist ug biktimhaon .

By committing murder, you'll become just as criminal as the "evil men" you kill.

Refer to Bai TOLSTOI'S phrase .

[tolstoi]

@bfg9000:

the word "MURDER" is relative..to those people who were victims of these 100 lawless criminals, killing these crooks means vengeance and vindication, but to those who are not victims [mga pro-life kuno], it means injustice.

wether you like it or not this means of purging criminals has a nod of approval from the public/majority, either from the cebuanos or the davaoenos..what can you do then if the public likes how vigilantism works in the community?..of course the leader of the cebu and davao vigilantes don't have any business to pursue their works if many will dissent it..

sometimes you have to kill the wicked in order for the good people to live freely..

[bfg9000]

Maayong gabie nimo diha dong GINUS .... 100+ is a little evil compared to what those 100 + criminals are about to commit . Ibutang ta lang 5 of each sila .

Why do you call me GINUS? Do you mean BFGINUS? He/She's a different member. What do you hope to gain by associating me with him/her?

Killing people because you assume they will commit a crime is WRONG. The law does not allow "preventive" murder. How sure are you that your assumption that they will commit more crime is correct?

Their victims has families too just like them who deserves to live just like anyone else specially you . How could we give them 2nd chance when they are still into their criminal activities ? Second chance are reserve for people who are sincere of embracing back whats not evil .

Again, how do you know that they were in fact still into crime? Are you God? If they were killed while committing or clearly about to commit another crime, then MAYBE I'll have no problem with that, if they were putting the lives of people in danger.

Those people were killed not during the commission of a crime. That's murder, and that makes the killers criminals, just as bad as the people they've killed.

Oh we do live in a LAWLESS society literally. If we are living in a society bound by laws that are always implemented then logically walay VIGILANTE ni exist ug biktimhaon .

So what do you call the Philippine Constitution and the criminal code? Vigilantes IGNORE the law. That doesn't mean we live in a lawless society. Lawless means "without laws" but we DO have laws, it's just that vigilantes and other criminals don't follow them.

Your logic is once again flawed... if someone doesn't follow the law, does that mean society is lawless na? Does the existence of vigilantes means wala nay law? Vigilantes take the LAW into their own hands... by doing that they break the law, but that doesn't mean that the society they live in is lawless.

Refer to Bai TOLSTOI'S phrase .

Oh, the one from the Hollywood movie? Refer to the quote I posted from Mahatma Gandhi.

[bfg9000]

the word "MURDER" is relative..to those people who were victims of these 100 lawless criminals, killing these crooks means vengeance and vindication, but to those who are not victims [mga pro-life kuno], it means injustice.

Our laws are based on Christian ideals, which means forgiveness and redemption, not vengeance and retribution. If the person is beyond redemption, sure, kill him, BUT DO IT IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW. No one is above the law. Again, we do not live in a lawless society.

wether you like it or not this means of purging criminals has a nod of approval from the public/majority, either from the cebuanos or the davaoenos..what can you do then if the public likes how vigilantism works in the community?..of course the leader of the cebu and davao vigilantes don't have any business to pursue their works if many will dissent it..

If it's true that the majority prefer the vigilante style of acting as judge, jury, and executioner, then like I said, write your congressmen to pass a bill to make it legal. As of now, it is ILLEGAL, and the people who do it are just as criminal as those they execute.

sometimes you have to kill the wicked in order for the good people to live freely..

Yes, but do it in a manner consistent with the law. Don't stoop down to their level.

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Why do you call me GINUS? Do you mean BFGINUS? He/She's a different member.

Â*LOLZ ....

Killing people because you assume they will commit a crime is WRONG. The law does not allow "preventive" murder. How sure are you that your assumption that they will commit more crime is correct?

Â*If I were you , edit ur words " ASSUME " and " ASSUMPTION " to facts and figures . Like you know these criminal elements personally . Personally wala sad ko kaila ana nila , unhan na lang tika basin mo ingon ka kaila pod ba ko nila LOLZ .

Again, how do you know that they were in fact still into crime? Are you God? If they were killed while committing or clearly about to commit another crime, then MAYBE I'll have no problem with that, if they were putting the lives of people in danger.

Â*I dont have to be GOD to know what they are doing . Magbuot ka ug hiposon sila sa V while resting or enjoying something kay di na sila maka-usab sa gibuhat nila na pahayahay ?? What you are trying to say is the LAW ENFORCEMENTS job and not the V's . Di mailhan ang V's ana kalakiha , wala na tay hero .

eople were killed not during the commission of a crime. That's murder, and that makes the killers criminals, just as bad as the people they've killed.

Â* After the COMMISION of a crime lang ? Hehehe .... being a killer and a criminal doesnt all the time make you a bad person .

do you call the Philippine Constitution and the criminal code? Vigilantes IGNORE the law. That doesn't mean we live in a lawless society. Lawless means "without laws" but we DO have laws, it's just that vigilantes and other criminals don't follow them.

Â* WHat would be the BIG difference kung DEKORASYON ra na ? Tell me one BIG GOOD DIFFERENCE then maybe I wont have a problem with that ... LOLZ !

gic is once again flawed... if someone doesn't follow the law, does that mean society is lawless na? Does the existence of vigilantes means wala nay law? Vigilantes take the LAW into their own hands... by doing that they break the law, but that doesn't mean that the society they live in is lawless.

Â*Refer to my post above , dili kang Gandhi or sa kadtong Hollywood script writer but kang ISPRINGPILD .

[bfg9000]

LOLZ ....

Whats so funny?

If I were you , edit ur words " ASSUME " and " ASSUMPTION " to facts and figures . Like you know these criminal elements personally . Personally wala sad ko kaila ana nila , unhan na lang tika basin mo ingon ka kaila pod ba ko nila LOLZ .

You should really read your own posts. Wala kay ikatubag so you answer with semantics.

I dont have to be GOD to know what they are doing . Magbuot ka ug hiposon sila sa V while resting or enjoying something kay di na sila maka-usab sa gibuhat nila na pahayahay ?? What you are trying to say is the LAW ENFORCEMENTS job and not the V's . Di mailhan ang V's ana kalakiha , wala na tay hero .

Again, how do you know that they will commit a crime? So you believe "preventive" murder is correct? What if I decide to shoot you because I believe in the future you'll commit a crime? Is that fair?

Vigilantes have no place in a civilized, lawful society. The fact that your heros are lawless criminals who believe they have the right to take the law into their own hands speaks volumes about you.

After the COMMISION of a crime lang ? Hehehe .... being a killer and a criminal doesnt all the time make you a bad person .

Exactly. So why kill him? How do you know he'll commit a crime? You believe its right to kill someone because YOU'RE sure that he'll commit a crime in the future? Again, "preemptive" murder is illegal. How would you feel if someone shot your relative and said "I killed him because I know he'll commit a crime in the future"? Nobody can foresee what the future holds, which is why the law doesnt allow preemptive executions.

WHat would be the BIG difference kung DEKORASYON ra na ? Tell me one BIG GOOD DIFFERENCE then maybe I wont have a problem with that ... LOLZ !

So you think the law is just "decoration"? Then why do we have courts, police, lawyers, etc.? Are they all for decoration?

Refer to my post above , dili kang Gandhi or sa kadtong Hollywood script writer but kang ISPRINGPILD .

I quoted your post, didn't I? Ingna lang wala kay ikatubag.

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Whats so funny?

Secret yadz !

You should really read your own posts. Wala kay ikatubag so you answer with semantics.

Kung wala koy ikatubag , its because wala kay comprehension . You were shelling out ur personal opinions and thinks its the FACT and FIGURES . Like I said , do you know the facts and figures of the V's and the criminal victims ?

Again, how do you know that they will commit a crime?

They already did ! Mao lage na ako gi ingon nimo , wala ra kai kalibutan because you just tend to utilized someone else's cents like the news reports . Aga in ... they already did commited crimes unacceptable enough to the society they try not to embrace for good .

So you believe "preventive" murder is correct? What if I decide to shoot you because I believe in the future you'll commit a crime? Is that fair?

WHo said about PREVENTIVE na ikaw ra man ?? Hehehe mao na kadaot nimo , tuga tuga ka ug imbento ug sulti na ipasa nimo sa lain . Shoot me to prevent a crime I might commit in the future ? Doesnt make any sense , kinahanglan justifiable gyud na na bad element ang hiposon . WHAT IF ra man kaha ? So ok ra ko hihihi .

Vigilantes have no place in a civilized, lawful society. The fact that your heros are lawless criminals who believe they have the right to take the law into their own hands speaks volumes about you.

LOLZ .. personal attacks again .. ga warm ra gani ta diri yadz .. bukal dayon ka . Reciprocal ra lage na ... the CRIMINAL VICTIMS thinks also that they do have a place in ur so called LAWFUL SOCIETY .

Exactly. So why kill him?

In short aron MATAGAM . Meaning di mo hunong sa kabuang .

How do you know he'll commit a crime?

How did I know he'll commit a crime ? LOLZ ... tawn yadz they already DID !! Ikaw behind kaau ka oist ... na stuck ka sa PREVENTION lang gihapon .

You believe its right to kill someone because YOU'RE sure that he'll commit a crime in the future?

Blah ...blah ...blah ...blah... guba^ na plaka .

Again, "preemptive" murder is illegal. How would you feel if someone shot your relative and said "I killed him because I know he'll commit a crime in the future"? Nobody can foresee what the future holds, which is why the law doesnt allow preemptive executions.

Who said about PREVENTION and PREEMPTIVE but ikaw lang dodong GINUS ?? WHat I was telling you , gi patay ang mga BIKTIMA s amga V's tungod kay laya na gani , padayon lang gihapon sa kabuang . Meaning they already commited a crime and not as to what ur understanding states na BUHATOTON pa lang and gi TAG-AN ra sa V's . Nindot pod !! Ig-agaw ni MAYSAD .... hahahaha !!

think the law is just "decoration"? Then why do we have courts, police, lawyers, etc.? Are they all for decoration?

When something existed but not implemented then DEKORASYON ra na . Where were the COURTS , POLICE , LAWYERS when the people needs them the most kadtong mga biktima pa sila sa mga gipanghipos sa mga V's ??

d your post, didn't I? Ingna lang wala kay ikatubag.

Kalain masuko nyahahaha ...... ingna lang supalpalon na pod tika diri .

[tolstoi]

@BFG9000

Our laws are based on Christian ideals, which means forgiveness and redemption, not vengeance and retribution. If the person is beyond redemption, sure, kill him, BUT DO IT IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW. No one is above the law. Again, we do not live in a lawless society.

these criminals were treated humanely and Christianly when justice were served to them on their first or nth offenses..but it seems they like going in and out of prison instead of renewing their life for good...now bfg9000, how will you suppose to deal with that?..do you want another inoccent people to be another victim of these crooks you protected?

If it's true that the majority prefer the vigilante style of acting as judge, jury, and executioner, then like I said, write your congressmen to pass a bill to make it legal. As of now, it is ILLEGAL, and the people who do it are just as criminal as those they execute.

in the eyes of law makers it is indeed ILLEGAL, of course they will not allow another attorneys pay to banish in thin air [lolz..pun intended]..but in the victims or other peoples perspective, justice is definityle served!

Yes, but do it in a manner consistent with the law. Don't stoop down to their level.

we can say that these vigilanties indeed stoop down to the level of the criminals if there acts contributed another atrocities to the community..but NO!..they are in reverse..they are here to eliminate the criminals, the lawless people who sow atrocities to innocent civilians.

[bfg9000]

Kung wala koy ikatubag , its because wala kay comprehension . You were shelling out ur personal opinions and thinks its the FACT and FIGURES . Like I said , do you know the facts and figures of the V's and the criminal victims ?

Well, do you?

They already did ! Mao lage na ako gi ingon nimo , wala ra kai kalibutan because you just tend to utilized someone else's cents like the news reports . Aga in ... they already did commited crimes unacceptable enough to the society they try not to embrace for good .

They already did? So they'll commit one again? Hahaha. You don't understand past and future. Unacceptable to society? If they were unacceptable to society, they would have been given the death penalty. Again, amend the law first before you take it into your own hands.

WHo said about PREVENTIVE na ikaw ra man ?? Hehehe mao na kadaot nimo , tuga tuga ka ug imbento ug sulti na ipasa nimo sa lain . Shoot me to prevent a crime I might commit in the future ? Doesnt make any sense , kinahanglan justifiable gyud na na bad element ang hiposon . WHAT IF ra man kaha ? So ok ra ko hihihi .

Look up the meaning of "preventive" in your dictionary, if you have one. Killing someone because you believe they will commit a crime, but not in the act, is preventive. Ok, if I believe you're a bad person, I'll shoot you even if you're not doing anything wrong because I believe you'll do something in the future.

LOLZ .. personal attacks again .. ga warm ra gani ta diri yadz .. bukal dayon ka . Reciprocal ra lage na ... the CRIMINAL VICTIMS thinks also that they do have a place in ur so called LAWFUL SOCIETY .

The victims of the crime, already got their justice ACCORDING TO OUR LAWS when these criminals were convicted. After they were released, they had already paid their dues to society. When you kill them before they even committed another crime, without even knowing if they will actually commit one, that is no longer justice, but murder.

In short aron MATAGAM . Meaning di mo hunong sa kabuang .

Again, how do you know nga wala pa siya nitagam? Why kill him?

How did I know he'll commit a crime ? LOLZ ... tawn yadz they already DID !! Ikaw behind kaau ka oist ... na stuck ka sa PREVENTION lang gihapon .

They already did, and they were already convicted and imprisoned for it. That's the limit of their punishment according to OUR LAWS. If you believe that's insufficient, then write your congressman.

Blah ...blah ...blah ...blah... guba^ na plaka .

Again wala kay ikatubag? Ikaw ra cgeg balikbalik nga ok ra to kill someone outside the law.

Who said about PREVENTION and PREEMPTIVE but ikaw lang dodong GINUS ?? WHat I was telling you , gi patay ang mga BIKTIMA s amga V's tungod kay laya na gani , padayon lang gihapon sa kabuang . Meaning they already commited a crime and not as to what ur understanding states na BUHATOTON pa lang and gi TAG-AN ra sa V's . Nindot pod !! Ig-agaw ni MAYSAD .... hahahaha !!

If they already committed a crime, arrest them and prosecute them and execute them by lethal injection since that's what's prescribed by the law. Otherwise, you have no right to murder them unless they are in the act of endangering someone, which clearly is not the case. Lisod sabton para nimo dodong jhurdz?

When something existed but not implemented then DEKORASYON ra na . Where were the COURTS , POLICE , LAWYERS when the people needs them the most kadtong mga biktima pa sila sa mga gipanghipos sa mga V's ??

Again, if you don't believe in the justice system, then have it abolished and replaced by death squads. Call your congressman.

Kalain masuko nyahahaha ...... ingna lang supalpalon na pod tika diri .

Haha... keep saying that to yourself... mao ra cguro na imong kalipay... feeling nimo nasupalpal ko nimo when it's really the other way around.... have fun!