Evolution Original Sin and Everything in Between in Harmony?

[Cardinal Bunal]

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Ditto with Mr. Ho Chia.

God could have prevented the serpent from entering the garden... but he allowed it to happen as not to mess with free will... so just as sin entered the world through one man, through one man also he offered salvation.

I actually don't want to use the term "original sin" as its very Romish in its theology... but think of it lang as our natural tendency to do bad things.

But when God came to earth to save us from this, not only did he cancel our debts, but for those who accept this gift, he also gave the power to overcome sin. (Romans 6 )

[Serene]

This is just my opinion and i hope everyone here would respect it, even if they don't agree with me. :mrgreen:

I agree that God is merciful and just. I pray to him everyday in my own way. I don't need to go to a church to do that. More likely, my relationship with him is more spiritual than fanatical.

nope, but we will inherit our parents legacy.

but wait unlike other inheritance, there is a way out from the original sin. Christ paid for it, isn't it amazing ma'am, instead to be born with it and suffer for eternity, GOD gave a solution from HIS Mega plan. HE thought of us while we were still not. amazing GOD or what?

Indeed Great GOD.

If the God you are mentioning is unjust, then he is not MY god. I don't believe in the bible. So everything that is on the bible, i take it with a grain of salt. I respect others' religion. But i am not Christian so i don't believe in Christ. My relationship with God is more like faith that He exist. God indeed is amazing but for me, his name is not CHRIST. It's not religion that is going to save us. It's how he act.

[Sinyalan]

mura pud cya a mother who tried to abort her baby but failed pag-gawas pungkol, is that fair? it's really unfair to the max ma'am, but we can't do anything, we inherited it.

If I may insert some thought here... What do you mean by "we can't do anything, we inherited it." I surely am don't inherit other poeple's sins or the original sin (if there was any...) and surely am can do anyhting because we have individual emotions, thoughts, and perspective in life. I don't submit to any of those "mentality" WE simply don't have anything else but accept his unjustifiable persona.

kana pud datu sa una ato ancetors but napordoy na kay gi-gamble sa atong lolo sa casino, pagkatao nato pobre ta, is that fair? nope, but we will inherit our parents legacy.

If there are good legacy then I will inherit and accept anyhting that is good. But when there is someting suspicious, why would you follow? This is more sound like a Destiny not choosing your own path.

but wait unlike other inheritance, there is a way out from the original sin. Christ paid for it, isn't it amazing ma'am, instead to be born with it and suffer for eternity, GOD gave a solution from HIS Mega plan. HE thought of us while we were still not. amazing GOD or what?

Indeed Great GOD.

Christ paid for it? then his payment was a waste then.... read all the newpapers, radio every morning, death here, death there, stealing here, stealing there... war, catastrophes, calamities... all of those that jesus paid for it. The mega plan that he presented to the world was a complete disaster.

[mr.ho_chia2]

This is just my opinion and i hope everyone here would respect it, even if they don't agree with me. :mrgreen:

I agree that God is merciful and just. I pray to him everyday in my own way. I don't need to go to a church to do that. More likely, my relationship with him is more spiritual than fanatical.

If the God you are mentioning is unjust, then he is not MY god. I don't believe in the bible. So everything that is on the bible, i take it with a grain of salt. I respect others' religion. But i am not Christian so i don't believe in Christ. My relationship with God is more like faith that He exist. God indeed is amazing but for me, his name is not CHRIST. It's not religion that is going to save us. It's how he act.

ma'am i respect your opinion ha, don't misunderstood me, i am not convincing you, just a mere threaded reaction lang ma'am.
The Judeo-Christian GOD is a just and Holy GOD and HE is the Living GOD of the Bible, which we christians believe. It is ok is you don't believe it for you are not a christian, it is but proper for you to reject it. Choice lang yan ma'am.

our relationship with our GOD is by faith as well and it's all about personal relationship. and He acted on our favor, all that is left for us to do is received. Isn't HE great? Awesome indeed.

[mr.ho_chia2]

yes sinyalan, if inherited no choice, like your genes, if your brown colored or black or white, we don't have any choice, even if we don't like it.

well adam is not other people, He is our ancestor poor us. hehe.

and its not about following, it is about what is in us already, like the blood in our system, nothing we can do, mao na ako thought.

well, for me, Christ payment for our sin, worked for me and to some others. It is the greatest thing a friend can do, to lay HIS life for a friend. and HE did that.
well, again to me HIS mega plan is perfect, it is not HIS fault that the world is faulty, and guess what, who do you think is the prince of the world? yes correct, its satan. blame satan and not GOD. He just provide a solution for us. Great GOD indeed. I am so happy to have known and accepted HIM.

[Sinyalan]

well, for me, Christ payment for our sin, worked for me and to some others. It is the greatest thing a friend can do, to lay HIS life for a friend. and HE did that.
well, again to me HIS mega plan is perfect, it is not HIS fault that the world is faulty, and guess what, who do you think is the prince of the world? yes correct, its satan. blame satan and not GOD. He just provide a solution for us. Great GOD indeed. I am so happy to have known and accepted HIM.
he is god isn't he? he can control satan, isn't he? why let satan took almost half of his creation especially humans into such atrocities? he didn't provide solution, he added more problems because he can't control satan in the first place. Talk about omnipotence.

As for the genes, well it will be a long post if I add to it besides in it will also be an OT. But here's the thing... each one of us is unique... no same thing... even twins aren't the same... and that don't limit to genes.

[anti-christ]

All I'm trying to point out is that it's such a cop-out for an X-tian to say that 'we cannot know God's motives' and in the same breath lay on us a contrived story of original sin and redemption, claiming that this is "God's (stupid) plan".


i mentioned this on the other thread:

Remember this though: It is not 'Christ' or 'God' you are being a fool for, you are being a fool for those people who introduced to you these concepts that you believe in.

That makes you gullible and a fool. Yes, I know you might even find it a compliment to be labelled as a 'fool for Christ'.

But if you do agree with that, you should understand why its perfectly normal for other people to ridicule you. It is not because you are a martyr or persecuted, just that if you are admittedly a fool and ask others to join you in your foolishness, you are, in effect, insulting them.

Science causes us to always question, to not take everything for granted, to not fall into "lazy thinking" and not to make assumptions that are not proveable.

That in essence is what religion is all about. It contributes to "lazy thinking."

God and his Godists hate the call for rationality. Critical thinking digs at the very roots of God's and their power over our minds. Independent thinkers do not make good slaves

=the propagation of empty, useless fear and doubt.

[anti-christ]

well, again to me HIS mega plan is perfect, it is not HIS fault that the world is faulty, and guess what, who do you think is the prince of the world? yes correct, its satan. blame satan and not GOD. He just provide a solution for us. Great GOD indeed. I am so happy to have known and accepted HIM.

when will you ever learn that "SH*T HAPPENS".

sh*t happens not because of some entiy doing the boogie woogie, you might consider the fact that most likely somebody screwed up...and that somebody is probably YOU.

people who blame others for their fault is "unhealthy"....blaming it on a "entity" who does not exist is much more worse. thats just crazy.

[mr.ho_chia2]

well, for me, Christ payment for our sin, worked for me and to some others. It is the greatest thing a friend can do, to lay HIS life for a friend. and HE did that.
well, again to me HIS mega plan is perfect, it is not HIS fault that the world is faulty, and guess what, who do you think is the prince of the world? yes correct, its satan. blame satan and not GOD. He just provide a solution for us. Great GOD indeed. I am so happy to have known and accepted HIM.
he is god isn't he? he can control satan, isn't he? why let satan took almost half of his creation especially humans into such atrocities? he didn't provide solution, he added more problems because he can't control satan in the first place. Talk about omnipotence.

As for the genes, well it will be a long post if I add to it besides in it will also be an OT. But here's the thing... each one of us is unique... no same thing... even twins aren't the same... and that don't limit to genes.

HE is good. GOD is good all the time. He didn't let satan took half of His creation, it was a choice made by the fallen angels, including some of us, talking of free will.
HE provided choices for us sir. GOD wanted us to yield to HIM because we wanted to, speaking of free will, maski ako sir, dili ko ganahan nga my wife and son will love me because i told them to do so, but rather it is sweeter when the people you love, loves you back, for the reason that is very simple and that is choosing to love you. dba mas lami sir? How would you think and feel if you buy a robot to love you, dba walay lami sir? much more with GOD. He long for our love to him, exemplified by our obedience and joy in HIS presence.

Satan can still do His thing because GOD is giving us (humans) all the chances. Si satan have been there since the first man is, would you think satan wouldn't question a just and perfect GOD why HE will judge him now and not yet humans? It is the chance that GOD is giving us that satan is taking advantage of. HE is just, more than the supreme court's chief justice. HIS ways and action should speak of fairness to all, that is why the time has not yet come when we will run out of choices, that's for our sake, that's why satan still moves around because GOD loved us more than you think sir. HE is willing to wait to give everyone the chance and the opportunity to embrace HIS undying love for us, isn't that amazing? the GOD of the universe is so mindful of you, me and all of us? wow, great indeed, great!

but sir all sweet things come to an end though and when judgment comes, it sure does......... [br]Posted on: September 04, 2007, 07:02:46 AM_________________________________________________

when will you ever learn that "SH*T HAPPENS".

sh*t happens not because of some entiy doing the boogie woogie, you might consider the fact that most likely somebody screwed up...and that somebody is probably YOU.

people who blame others for their fault is "unhealthy"....blaming it on a "entity" who does not exist is much more worse. thats just crazy.

Sir anti_c, i know you get pist off if you hear Christain view GOD is good all the time. But really He is to me and to us. some will see it as stupid. but really sir HE is, at least in my life.

you are so right that somebody screwed up and it is not just a probability nor a possibility but definitely i screwed up and i can honestly say that sir. and it is not blaming others of my fault but rather acknowledging that by their fault, me to became an accomplice and as guilty as charged. call that crazy, but you cannot deny in all absolutism that GOD don't exist. but by faith, i stongly declare HIS presence in my life. have a good day sir. thanks.

[kalanrakas]

you are so right that somebody screwed up and it is not just a probability nor a possibility but definitely i screwed up and i can honestly say that sir. and it is not blaming others of my fault but rather acknowledging that by their fault, me to became an accomplice and as guilty as charged. call that crazy, but you cannot deny in all absolutism that GOD don't exist. but by faith, i stongly declare HIS presence in my life. have a good day sir. thanks.

The biblical god also screwed up. He changed his mind quite often although he is supposed to be omniscient. And often at the expense of his creation.

So much for omniscience and love.