to CBCP(Catholic Bishop's Conference of the Philippines)...this is too much...

[cerebus]

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well, everyone cheated during last election. that is according to the archbishop.

Arguelles amplified on that point: “Lahat naman nandaya, e. Natalo lang ’yung iba sa dayaan.” (“Everyone cheated anyway. Some people just lost in the cheating.”)

what if fpj won the election? hmm. . . impeachment sad?

[craz_beautiful_ava]

well, everyone cheated during last election. that is according to the archbishop.

Arguelles amplified on that point: “Lahat naman nandaya, e. Natalo lang ’yung iba sa dayaan.” (“Everyone cheated anyway. Some people just lost in the cheating.”)

what if fpj won the election? hmm. . . impeachment sad?

mao jud!!!

wala man jud nidawat sa ilang kapildihan bisan kinsa ang makadaog engnun dayon nga "nanikas na siya"..
who didn't cheat?
let's face the reality that ngilngig ang cheating basta election..

i'm not saying ok ra ang pagpanikas, dili lang tingali vigilante kaayo ang mga watchers during election kay nalutsan man sila..

and besides everything about PGMA cheating duringthe election puro speculation, accusations..wala pa jud klaro nga evidence that would pin her down..

[Teban2006]

pwede patudlo asa ng link sa gisulti anang bishop?

Basin baya na elaborate rana grabe ninyo, pero para nako kng cheating cheating gyud, and he or she must pay the prize for cheating, ulahi na ang pasaylo ana.

Ug si bishop sakto man ang giingon sa uban kng my sayup man siya nga iya rapud nga own opinion, dili lng nato e judge ang tibouk simbahan, pinaagi sa pipila man nila ka mga membro nga nag ka sayup kay tawo raman sad na sila ug way bisan kinsa iniing kalibutana ang dili masayup, usa pa common sense will tell kng unsay sayup ug dili, kng kitang mga naka desern na sayup to nga part na gikan sa bishop baron, obligasyon na natong mga naka kita sa sayup,to tell and share to others mga wamaka sabot ug nag libug, and not to elaborate the mistake nga mogawas ang tibuok simbahan ang tud-lo na noon cheating is okay.


Kng ga duha duha mos inyong pagtuo sa being Catholics, tungod sa gi sulti adtong bishop, tugraka usa ninyo ang tulomanon or teachings sa catholic church, den pag human kng makaingon ka nga sayup balhin pagka muslim, basin ngadto lng ma kit-an ang kinabuhing tun-hay^_^

[istoryador]

His Excellency
MOST REV. RAMON C. ARGUELLES, D.D.
Archbishop of Lipa
Archdiocese of Lipa
Archbishop's Residence, 4127 Lipa City
Tels. (043) 756-2572/756-2573 Fax (043) 756-0005
e-mail: bparguelles@edsamail.com.ph



PERSONAL

Birth: November 12, 1944
Place of Birth: Batangas City
Sacerdotal Ordination: December 21, 1969 - Manila Cathedral
Episcopal Ordination: January 6, 1994 - St. Peter's Basilica, Rome

EDUCATION

* Batangas South Elementary School
Grade 1 to 4, 1951-1955
* St. Bridget's College
Grade 5 to 2nd Year, 1955-1959
* Our Lady of Guadalupe Minor Seminary
2nd Year to 5th Year, 1959-1963
* San Carlos Seminary
PhB, 1963-1966
Theology, 1966-1970
* Angelicum, Rome
STB & STL, 1972-1976
* Universite d'Ete, Paris
Langue Francaise
1973
* Angelicum, Rome
Sociology, 1974-1976
* Goethe Institute, Passau, Germany
Deutschprache, Summer 1976
* Centre Spirituel Venasque, France
Teresa de Avila, 1981-1982
* Nemi Renewal Institute, Rome
Tertianship, 1988 (July-Dec.)
* Madonna House, Comberemere, Ont.
Poustinia, Dec. 1988-Feb. 1989
* St. Beuno's, North Wales
Apostolic Spirituality, Feb-May 1989

MINISTRY

* 1970-1972- Asst. Priest, San Jose de Navotas
* 1973-1974- SommerVertreter, Hoxter 1 Luchtringen
* 1975- SommerVertreter, Clemenskirche, Hannover
* 1976- SommerVertreter, Grosskollnbach/Isar
* 1977-1978- Prefect & Acting Rector, Guadalupe M. Seminary
* 1977-1986- Professor, Christology, Mother of Life Center
* 1977-1988- Professor, Patrology, San Carlos Seminary
* 1978-1981
* Priest-In-Charge, Fil-Mission Seminary
* Professor, Introduction to the Scriptures
* 1982-1986- Rector, San Carlos Seminary
* 1983-1985- Professor, Spirituality, Summer Institute
* 1986-1988- Parish Priest/Chaplain, University of the Philippines
* 1989-1990- Parish Priest, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Project 6, Quezon City
* 1990-1992- Chaplain of Filipinos, Rome, Italy
* 1990-1994- Rector, Collegio Filippino, Rome
* 1994-1995- Auxiliary Bishop of Manila
* 1995-2005- Military Ordinary of the Military Ordinariate of the Philippines
* 2004- Archbishop of Lipa
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This is the profile of that archbishop. (Tkae note: ARCHBISHOP) And look at his credentials! He is learned and well schooled. He got degrees in universities in Germany, Italy and Paris. He is also a CANON LAWYER. thought his educational training would help him be more intellectual and moral in his views. Well, he might got infected with the virus while serving as chaplain of the AFP.

Lo and behold Archbishop Arguelles went so low with that unfortunate statement. Its a big letdown and its a shame.

[omad]

i'm just comparing the CHEATING issue... was just questioning what's the difference between cheating done by Marcos and the cheating done by GMA. (as the bishop admits)?

I just find it ridiculous hearing this lame excuse about cheating... just like my classmate who made an excuse to my teacher telling her "IMO MAN GUD SALA MAAM KAY NI GAWAS KA".
let me reiterate my position here once more: the church should have issued a more definite stand, "GMA cheated PERIOD" or "GMA did not cheat PERIOD". I know it would be hard on their (CBCP) part to issue such statements but that should've been the right thing to do and not straddle on the line like issuing statements as "GMA cheated but everyone else did", "GMA cheated but she could have won it anyway" or statements to that effect..

and once again FK, the church's stand on Marcos was clearly pro people. they didn't issue "Marcos cheated but so did Cory", "Marcos cheated but he would have won it anyway".. you know what I mean?

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if the Garci conversation ra ang basihan nato... bisan kinsa pa ingnon, naa jud tikas. Pero yep i'm still hoping that the impeachment process will push through para just like ERAP naa jud siya panahon mo tubag sa pasangil.
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how can you compare ERAP's case with Garci's case here? with ERAP's, the people's reaction was "spur of the moment" maybe because there was enough evidence to sway their opinion unlike Garci's. how many "people power", rallies, marches have been summoned by the opposition? a lot, to the point that the people became tired of it. but that wasn't the case with ERAP's, the oppositions call for people power was just like icing on the cake. they didn't have to exert the same effort as the opposition today, do you agree? and that's one hell of a difference..

[pandisal]

hahay... mao ra gihapon ka padulngan as thread... GMA to Garci to cheating... lolz.. abot nalang 2010 mag sige lang gihapon gawas
ni nga klase nga thread...

pls merge this thread to erap vs gma again ....

[FK]

and once again FK, the church's stand on Marcos was clearly pro people. they didn't issue "Marcos cheated but so did Cory", "Marcos cheated but he would have won it anyway".. you know what I mean?

actually bai omad... mura wala man jud onta ta lalisan dinhi... kay again ako question... ngano wala man sila ni make og stand pareho sa panahon ni marcos. did get what i mean regarding the comparison?

O.T.

how can you compare ERAP's case with Garci's case here? with ERAP's, the people's reaction was "spur of the moment" maybe because there was enough evidence to sway their opinion unlike Garci's. how many "people power", rallies, marches have been summoned by the opposition? a lot, to the point that the people became tired of it. but that wasn't the case with ERAP's, the oppositions call for people power was just like icing on the cake. they didn't have to exert the same effort as the opposition today, do you agree? and that's one hell of a difference..

I don't want this thread to become another GMA vs ERAP... but IMHO, ERAP was booted out very fast because he is disliken by the Class A and B, which I believe are the people capable of people power. Unlike GMA... just try to look at Marcos time... when Ninoy was assasinated, how long did it take for the people to move? Why is that so? was it because is so popular? That he is liken by majority of the people? We all know what Marcos did... but it makes me wonder why oh why does it take too long for the people to move? IMO the answer is simple... Marcos is intelligent... knows how to play politics, and we all know how people from Class A and B admire intelligent people regarding on how dirty they are.

That's the same reason why I believe GMA is still there. Because those people who are willing to risk to go to the streets for days without going to work are clinging on to their dreams that GMA is the right one...

[tolstoi]

actually bai omad... mura wala man jud onta ta lalisan dinhi... kay again ako question... ngano wala man sila ni make og stand pareho sa panahon ni marcos. did get what i mean regarding the comparison?

bai FK..super OT naman gud na i-drag pa nato ang past issues nila Marcos ug Erap..unya sa ako na observe sa imo postings halus tanan naa gyud ko makit-an about ERAP and MARCOS

[FK]

bai FK..super OT naman gud na i-drag pa nato ang past issues nila Marcos ug Erap..unya sa ako na observe sa imo postings halus tanan naa gyud ko makit-an about ERAP and MARCOS

og ngano ma super OT man bai? making a comparison out of the past issues is not out of topic. Kay kong out of topic pa na... dili sab pagka gamiton sa korte... sa korte man gani bai i-drag pa man gani ng mga past issues para lang i-present ang ila point. so again onsa man naka SUPER OT ana?

Og ngano ma-apil si ERAP og Marcos... tungod na... kay ako gusto i-point out ang pagka corrupt atong duha ERAP og Marcos, nga sa una we find wrong with what they did... sa mga actions nga atong nabuhat sa una.
Nga sa una ang CBCP ni condemn kay Marcos nga nanikas karon wala na man? Nga karon ni angkon pa gani nga indeed GMA cheated. pero ok ra? Nga sa una ang wala pag abli sa envelope bisan og ni agi na og votation is suppressing the evidence ngano karon ang pag babag sa impeachment bisan man lng pag-abot kong duna bay sakto nga ebidensiya ok ra man?

Kung para nimo super OT na... imoha sab ng opinion, kong nakalapas ko sa rules diri for being super OT in bringing my points then maau onta i-warn lng usa ko.

[iloveyou4ever]

well that's your opinion... then let's have the impeachment shall we? to see once and for all if there are no proof.

but what about the Garci conversation? can you say that they are note discussing about cheating?

Even Poe's side called Garci. A lot of politicians called Garci. Why focus to PGMA? Is it because she won? Maybe Poe's effort to cheat was not enough.