Erap's Trial: For President Again this 2010?

[gareb]

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Is the president facing any scandal now? I don't think so. Even if the senators would like to include her in the broadband deal, it's not working. She has been absolved of any involvement in the issue.

we need not enumerate the kind of malfeasance her administration has done. i find it very daring in your part to use the word 'absolved'. it's as if a mere pronouncement by her very own cabal that she is not involved in any of the scandals automatically translate that as unassailable truth. and to think that she has prior knowledge to the latest scandal even before she approved of the project...

the very fact itself that GMA considers granting Erap pardon shows that justice has always been under the heel of politics in her book.

[mcbernz007]

OT: as i have said in the othear thread. pareha ra na sila corrupt. wa na gyud ta mabuhat ana. maski kinsa pa mopuli, corrupt ra gihapon.

[marc francis]

Erap not going to jail has so many moral implications that theres just no way but for him to freaking go in there and do his time! Erap not going is like saying that gay people could be in the military, its like saying that all murderers are innocent. Its like saying that drug lords are modern mans savior. He simply has to go to jail, why? Because he did a crime thats why! It dont matter whether your the president, heck even god himself paid his dues samantalang diyos na yun ha! And what the **** is this pardon? UP graduate yung asa senado di ba? Ateneo? La Salle? Di ba yung iba sa inyo mga scholar ng bayan meaning na bayan ang nagpaaral sa inyo? Your ass wouldnt be there if it wasnt for juan dela cruz so get your act together and do something! Geeeeeeeesssssuuuuuusss!!!!!! Thats all i can say.

[marc francis]

Pardon for a criminal? Di ba kung pardon din lang mas deserve pa naman siguro nung nagnakaw ng tinapay para mapakain niya si misis dont you think? Siguro naman mas deserve pa nung taong nakulong dahil napilitan siyang pumatay kasi kundi siya ang mamamatay (ala con-air kung baga). Siguro naman mas worthy sila na bigyan ng pardon dont you think? Pero si erap? Si erap na nagnakaw ng milyon milyon at harap harapang tinanga ang mamamayang pilipino para sa sariling ginhawa, bibigyan mo ng pardon? Wow! Mga punyetang politiko! Malapit na kasi ang 2010 kaya nagbubulagbulagan kayo! ****ing assholes di na kayo naawa kay juan dela cruz!

[LytSlpr]

wa gyud ko'y bilib ni GMA ani nga move.

si FG guilty as sin sad sa ZTE deal.

sila na unta to ang "less corrupt" pero wa gyud makapugong, na silaw gyud but nevertheless bisan corrupt sad sila, mas grabe pa gihapon ang nakawat ni Erap ug Marcos. mao na lang ni atong consuelo de bobo. kaluoy gyud natong mga pinoy, LKK kaayo tang daku.

tsk.. tsk.. tsk..

[jonas m]

Pardon me, no pun intended, for creating another thread dealing on Erap pardon.

Most of what I read in the papers and forums are the insistence of the gov't. in offering pardon to Erap. What escapes our common sense is that we completely ignore the fact that Erap was not asking for it and have been very vocal about his condition if ever a pardon is offered. Beggars cannot be choosers. Since that is the situation I felt that there is a need to give the issue a second look and to address the other angle which up to now has not been tackled and focus on the right party, and that is, the government.

Before we agree to pardon Erap, it would be best if we first articulate and express what we think is the reason of the gov’t. in pardoning him. Instead of asking whether Erap deserve it or not, why not ask instead the reason/s for it? There are those who says he deserve to be pardoned. I think we only talk of “deserve� when the convict requests for a pardon. Very clearly, Erap has not requested one so the talk whether he deserve it or not is groundless. Another apt question in place of asking the government’s reason is what did Erap do to deserve an offer of pardon from the gov’t.? So far, nobody has rightfully addressed that one.

If we want to address the issue of who really deserve what, we start from the government’s side. What genuine benefit will accrue the gov’t in pardoning Erap? Unity, national reconciliation, political stability, what? Who will principally benefit in his pardon? Was there a personal agenda? Why the rush?

Again, I’m reiterating my position that Erap should not be pardoned and if pardon unilaterally he should refuse it. He should not be pardoned if the government really believe that he is guilty and is really vent on fighting corruption in public office. I pity those who celebrated and said that Erap’s conviction “sent a message� and “the rule of law was upheld� because they are now in a quandary. They waited for the day Erap will be hang and now all they hear is pardon and worse it is not coming from the Erap's camp but from the government.

On the other hand, if the pardon is offered or unilaterally, if ever, awarded to him he should reject it. Rejecting it will demonstrate his resolve to prove that an injustice was done to him and concretize and highlight his conviction and belief that he is really innocent of the crimes imputed to him.

Bottom line, it is the government who should and must prove that Erap deserve a pardon. Such proposal will naturally put them on the defensive because they demonize, dehumanize and practically convicted Erap even before the start of the trial.

Anything less than that would be another political sarsuela with the participation of Erap.

[baron]

By the looks of it, it is a political sarsuela played by Erap eloquently. After all, Erap wants to continue his previous career even after he holds public office.

Nevertheless, I don't think this is simply a case of Erap being used in a political sarsuela. One of Erap's remedies is to apply for pardon. It seems like Erap wants to avail his alternative remedies cumulatively when he is juggling up between pardon and a motion for reconsideration on the hand.

It is Erap who should be applying for pardon and so, it is only justified that he should prove that he is deserving of such pardon. To throw the ball at the other side of the court is improper.

[jonas m]

By the looks of it, it is a political sarsuela played by Erap eloquently. After all, Erap wants to continue his previous career even after he holds public office.

Nevertheless, I don't think this is simply a case of Erap being used in a political sarsuela. One of Erap's remedies is to apply for pardon. It seems like Erap wants to avail his alternative remedies cumulatively when he is juggling up between pardon and a motion for reconsideration on the hand.

It is Erap who should be applying for pardon and so, it is only justified that he should prove that he is deserving of such pardon. To throw the ball at the other side of the court is improper.

By the looks of it, it is a political sarsuela played by Erap eloquently. After all, Erap wants to continue his previous career even after he holds public office.

Nevertheless, I don't think this is simply a case of Erap being used in a political sarsuela. One of Erap's remedies is to apply for pardon. It seems like Erap wants to avail his alternative remedies cumulatively when he is juggling up between pardon and a motion for reconsideration on the hand.

It is Erap who should be applying for pardon and so, it is only justified that he should prove that he is deserving of such pardon. To throw the ball at the other side of the court is improper.

Yes, he should apply for it but why is the gov't. seems to be rushing him by offering the pardon? Why not wait for Erap first to apply for pardon?

[baron]

The government declared in clear terms that Erap should be the one applying for pardon. Besides, even without such pronouncement, the law is clear that a pardon is only possible if there is a final judgment.

Is it really the government who is rushing Erap to apply for pardon? I first heard of pardon with the Erap camp, contemplating that the administration may pardon Erap if he is adjudged guilty of the crime of plunder. It's simply a mind game, an appeal to have the sympathy of the people.

They can very well make it look like that Erap is not the one asking for pardon, just like when Erap camp was the one who asked that only the dispositive portion be read during the Erap verdict and questioning why would the Sandiganbayan just wanted to read the dispositive portion.

[Serene]

Hopefully. He's a tired old man and he's probably on his way. Let's have mercy on him and let him spend his remaining life with his family. I think he's been punished enough! :mrgreen: