The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[mudskipper77]

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anyways nag organize mi ug LSS every Black Sat and Easter Sun..(Holy week)
PM lang nya nako if you wanna attend. kuyogan tika.

noted bro.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

@jovs



bro, atong hisgutan kanang mga greater experience like demon possession and exorcism...obvious jud nga evil ba, dili na tinuod para nimo? Nakabasa ka sa bible about Jesus Christ performing exorcism?

Sa atong panahon, pwerteng daghanang mga spiritually filled leaders nga maka perform sad ana. Wala lang ka kawitness siguro.

exorcism? pareha ani?

[SuperStar]

[SuperStar]

[mudskipper77]

@superstar: iklaro lang imng pangutana sis. basig makatabang ang mga masters dri.

[JcBoY]

@Brod Noy, alhamdulillah ok lang ko.

Salamat sa imong mga tubag Brod, another follow-up lang...hehehe.

Di ba si Santo Niño is the Holy Child representing the child Jesus nya nganong gitawag man siya ug Señor? Di ba the correct way is Señorito man?

Unya, how can he be a Patron Saint when he is supposed to be Jesus Christ as our Christian brothers and sisters believed as God?

[JcBoY]

@Sister Superstar,

Day, kasakit sa mata anang imong gipang-posts oi. Imo na lang unta na gi-spoiler, no need to post that kind of pictures if you really want to send your message across, just ask lang.

[SioDenz]

ganahan pa unta ko maka acquire anang uban nga gifts bro.hehe...Christian Life Program to akong naapilan sauna pero until now
I'm still a work in progress. mulikoy gihapon sahay. higher level naman daw ng LSS bro?

Padawan pa guro ka bro... joke ra..

Matud pang Noy Gift daw na, so since gift ihatag na sa imu ug di na butang nga imu achieve tru work

[acescream]

@ acescream

by what you posted earlier regarding Jesus not being God and about the books that have been added
during the compilation of the Bible and about misleading teachings of the early church.
basing from your posts, i think you are not confused and searching BUT have already concluded your faith
so techinically maski pag unsa among itubag nimu, i think it wouldn't matter to you.

however, if you STILL consider yourself searching for answers whethre Jesus is God or not
i sugest you search within the Christian Faith Parameters. you may wanna start getting the POVs
of Christians(people who consider Jesus as God), see how we interpret verses in the Bible
then compare it with whatever your faith and belief stands.
this is just an example
an aetheist can boost his claims about God's inexistence if he will only
search from sites that supports his claims.
in the same way a Muslim would always believe that Jesus was talking about the Prophet muhammad (phuh)
when Jesus talked about a Helper if they would never search and study about the Christian's belief of the HOly Spirit
if you search the Bible and study the Catholic or any Christian doctrines about the Trinity and Jesus being God
for counter-argument rather than a searching soul then you would never know why we believe that Jesus is God.

suggestion lang pud ni ako bai.

'cause we may not be able to throw a parallel argument sa imuhang claims
it could be nga di lang jud mi katubag or we are already exhausted with these type of conversations.
esp if we are talking about these things for the sake of knowing whose belief got the edge.
instead of giving light to some confusions about the RCC practice which i believe what the thread is all about

however, i will at least give you somthing to look into to be fair

John 1:1-14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

who do you suppose the word is bai? and what did John mean when He said the Word was WITH God and the word IS God?
what did John mean when he said "the word was made flesh"?


my understanding about the Holy Trinity bai
is that It's like the phases of matter( solid,liquid and gas)

let's take WATER for an example
no matter what we call it (ice,water vapor etc) it would still be water as
though it has taken different form in the phases of matter it will always be water.

solid = ice
liquid = regular water
gas= water vapor

Like God, He can be the God of the Universe, as God of the old testament,God of Abraham etc
and be Jesus the Savior in the New Testament(God is the creator of all things figuratively the Father of all creation, therefore when God the form of a servant(man) He Himself in the Character of the Son(Son) became the Son of God(begotten not made)
and GOd can also be the Holy Spirit given to His disciples on Pentecost or to anyone at any time who ackowledges Him.

Father = God
Son = God
Holy Spirit = God

Same God, just taking different forms and Characteristics because He Love us(John3:16)
Without the sacrifice of His Own, mankind will never see Salvation.

Do you recall the verse you qouted about Blind men leading blind men as well?
Man can never save Men. Only God can. if Jesus is the Savior but not God
Jesus will never be enough, like all the covenants and sin atonements in teh old testament
at the end of the day PEOPLE like you and me would always end up breaking the law and sinning towards God
getting tempted and turning towards God..
Hence Jesus said, this is FINAL Covenant.

Satan tempted Jesus knowing that though God but took the form of a Human Being
thinking that Jesus placed Himself in a very vulnerable situation(which in reality, He did)
but Satan didn't know was FAITH,HOPE and LOVE that Jesus(as the son of man) shared with the Father.
because Satan doesn't have them in the First place

Satan knew about the scriptures and can twist their meanings

there are greater things needed than just understanding and knowing bai,
that's where FAITH comes in.

Godspeed

hello bai noy. hehe, usa ni sa mga nice verses ang kani John 1:1, sadly, tungod sa different translations sa Bible from Greek to English translations, mao dali ra kaayo matwist ang meaning. let's study John 1:1....

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." New International Version

in Greek: John 1:1 - "En archē ēn ho Lógos, kai ho Lógos ēn pros ton Theón, kai Theós ēn ho Lógos."

in the original Greek text, Word here is Logos. What does Logos mean?

Logos(n., greek) - logos: a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech.. (Strong's Greek: 3056.)
-“word,” “reason,” “plan” (Logos definition of Logos in the Free Online Encyclopedia., 2nd definition enclosed in parenthesis)

So the Word here, or Logos in ancient Greek, is nothing more than God's idea, or his plan...let's say a 'blueprint', nothing more, nothing less.

Let's take on every part of that verse, shalle we?

"In the beginning was the Word..."

In this phrase, Jesus was already God's plan, a 'blueprint' before the creation itself:

Colossians 1:15-16 - "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."
^please don't make this another "Jesus-is-God" verse even though it's stated "The Son is the image of the invisible God..". For we men were all created in God's image(Genesis 1:26) and that doesn't even make us all gods..he is the only appropriate sole image of the invisible God for his Godly-living, found with no sin(2 Corinthians 5:21)..lest, the term Godlike!

so yeah in the beginning was the plan for Jesus

"and the Word was with God"
^of course, if it's your plan, it's always with you..not with anyone else. if the Word here is God himself, why would it be with Him? there will be two gods already if that's what you think, "and the God was with God" LOL So what's up with the last phrase:

"and the Word was God"

^now this is the tricky part. In Greek, this is "Theós ēn ho Lógos". In the old times, especially ancient Greek, there were SO FEW words existing, meaning one word can be recycled to be used as long as they are on equal par. When we translate it in our language, we always stick to Theos = God, but in ancient greek, Theos can have multiple meanings, depending on use. In this phrase, this is exactly what we call in English as a 'figure of speech', in this case a METAPHOR. Ever familiar of the saying "Time is gold."? Is time actually gold? Not, right? For time is intangible..so in this figure of speech, it is describing the quality of God's Word, or logos to be exact:

Hebrews 4:12 - "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. "

^God's word, is simply godly too!


Translations by James Moffatt, Hugh J. Schonfield and Edgar Goodspeed render part of the verse as "...and the Word was divine."(John 1:1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), for the readers to avoid confusion. This "Word was God" translation probably started with the King James Version, found by many scholars to having many erroneous translations.

The Bible with the Old and New Testament in them that the scholars acknowledge, are all the same, they just have different English Versions. Bible scholars don't go with those Apocrypha since they were written long after the death of Christ & the Apostles, and of course, we don't go with teachings of man, right?

*also to sir dartzed(just trying to be polite ) who said that different religions might have different Bibles, actually not true, unless you don't use the Old & Testament scriptures. It's just that some religions ADD to the Bible other books(apocryphas, Book of Mormons, etc.) that's why there are some teachings that are contradicting with the Bible, for they are not from the Bible. I'm just sticking to the original, the original words of God from the legit prophets, not those written by false writers without divine intervention.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

-- hehe, here it is, the fulfillment of his plan. Simple analogy bai noy: Let's say naa kay plano nga balay, so naa sa imo mind kung unsa'y dagway og porma, iyang design and materials, pero ni-exist na ba ang balay? Physically wala pa, pero sa imo mind ni-exist na. So in other words, "In the beginning was the plano(balay), and the plano was with noy, and the plano was noy." hehehe
"and the plano was made 'concrete' and delighted noy's sight." weeeeee

that's it, John 1:1.

my understanding about the Holy Trinity bai
is that It's like the phases of matter( solid,liquid and gas)

sadly bai noy, you just said God can't be quantified..you just quantified God in your understanding, as if God exists like matter. God is plainly God, for he is God and never in his thought he planned on becoming man:

Genesis 6:3 - "Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years." New Living Translation (©2007)

and will never share his honor to any idol(statue/rebulto):

Isaiah 48:11 - "I will rescue you for my sake--yes, for my own sake! I will not let my reputation be tarnished, and I will not share my glory with idols!" New Living Translation (©2007)

so God, is God. Jesus, is man, a very-special man for he is already planned even before the creation.

in-ani jud na bai noy, the Bible can't be taken for granted, and it's not open to free interpretation, for free interpretation leads to "twisting" it's meanings. So everyone should stick to what the Bible intends to, not stick to what his own mind interprets it to him.

Matthew 13:10-15 - "The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'"

Good luck pud, bai noy!

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

jovs, kaw nalang research ana ha..as far as i know, ang Ginoo lang jud ang makahatag ug gahum
you can search about Roman Rites of Exorcism and Roman Catholic exorcisms.
ang Evil sa kalibutan gitugot na sa Ginoo tungod kay naa siyay purpose.
ug unsa man gani na, Siya ray nahibaw Jovs ug dili tungod sa mga pari ug uban pa diha nga way gahom.

too ko ana bro, Ginoo ra ang makahatag ug gahum. ang pangutana bro, wala diay mahatagi ug gahum ang simbahan sa Ginoo ky ang evil nga act, wala man na prevent? unsa man ang purpose mo simba kung wala diay mahatagi ug gahum ang simbahan sa Ginoo? Ang simple nga evil act bro, like kawat, wala na prevent, unya ang exorcism na hinoon? tinood kaha ng exorcism?