MERGED: Metro Cebu Road Development: Flyovers or Road Widening?

[emorain]

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guess you almost suggested it all.. i think self-discipline is the best way to reduce the heavy traffic, not just the drivers but the folks itself.. so frustrating coz we cant really stop it

[SioDenz]

without considering the cost siguro:
Road widening, MRT, then Bus transit systems.. just like Singapore...

[diatabz]

- Gradually phase out jeepneys by halting the distribution of franchises. I would like restored Saraos and kalesas to ply the Colon-Parian area. The idea is to transform the entire area into our version of the French Quarter, making it a viable tourist destination. No private and public vehicles are to enter the district (taken from another poster from another thread).

- Implement a BRT system. This is unlike the bus system in Manila, wherein maglumba ang mga driver para kakuha ug pasahero. The BRT will now be the main mass transport option in Metro Cebu, with designated times for arrival and departure of buses. Drivers can be hired as enforcers (see how they like it when drivers break the rules).

- Proper bus stops for pedestrians.

- Strict implementation of rules. If it says 'No Stopping,' then no stopping jud na dapat. Violations must result in the confiscation of licenses. No ifs and no buts.

- Construct a super highway linking Santander and Daanbantayan. This is a better option to an MRT/LRT system, which would go bankrupt after the novelty wears off. We must learn from the lessons of Manila; the MRT isn't earning. A heavy rail system would take billions to set up, and won't be feasible in an island province like ours. We simply don't have the time, and more importantly, the expertise to do this ourselves. Why else did our trains disappear when the Americans left? I would rather have my taxes go to build expressways than put up an expensive, and tax-sucking rail system like the MRT.

- Highways must also be free, just like the American system. Where do we get the money for maintenance and repairs? Do it like the Americans do.

About 70% of the construction and maintenance costs of highways in the U.S. are covered through user fees (net of collection costs), primarily gasoline taxes collected by the federal government and state and local governments, and to a much lesser extent tolls collected on toll roads and bridges. The rest of the costs are borne by general fund receipts, bond issues, and designated property and other taxes. The federal contribution is overwhelmingly from motor vehicle and fuel taxes (93.5% in 2007), as is about 60% of the state contribution. However, local contributions are overwhelmingly from sources other than user fees. The portion of the user fees spent on highways themselves covers about 57% of costs, as approximately one-sixth of the user fees are diverted to other programs, prominently including mass transit.

[Taken from Interstate Highway System]

In other words, tax the hell out of the oil companies. Tax them back to the stone age.

[KE-25]

without considering the cost siguro:
Road widening, MRT, then Bus transit systems.. just like Singapore...

Sad thing is Cost has a lot to do with it ... If only

Singapore has a very good system.. as with most things in that little country

[KE-25]

- Gradually phase out jeepneys by halting the distribution of franchises. I would like restored Saraos and kalesas to ply the Colon-Parian area. The idea is to transform the entire area into our version of the French Quarter, making it a viable tourist destination. No private and public vehicles are to enter the district (taken from another poster from another thread).

- Implement a BRT system. This is unlike the bus system in Manila, wherein maglumba ang mga driver para kakuha ug pasahero. The BRT will now be the main mass transport option in Metro Cebu, with designated times for arrival and departure of buses. Drivers can be hired as enforcers (see how they like it when drivers break the rules).

- Proper bus stops for pedestrians.

- Strict implementation of rules. If it says 'No Stopping,' then no stopping jud na dapat. Violations must result in the confiscation of licenses. No ifs and no buts.

- Construct a super highway linking Santander and Daanbantayan. This is a better option to an MRT/LRT system, which would go bankrupt after the novelty wears off. We must learn from the lessons of Manila; the MRT isn't earning. A heavy rail system would take billions to set up, and won't be feasible in an island province like ours. We simply don't have the time, and more importantly, the expertise to do this ourselves. Why else did our trains disappear when the Americans left? I would rather have my taxes go to build expressways than put up an expensive, and tax-sucking rail system like the MRT.

- Highways must also be free, just like the American system. Where do we get the money for maintenance and repairs? Do it like the Americans do.



[Taken from Interstate Highway System]

In other words, tax the hell out of the oil companies. Tax them back to the stone age.

Enjoyed reading this one hehe

[masakiton]

without considering the cost siguro:
Road widening, MRT, then Bus transit systems.. just like Singapore...

sir mang reklamo ang mga taga cebu sa minimum nga pliti (sa SG 60cents 2 or 3 stops)
ang naka nindot sa SG kai kasagran drivers kai desiplinado..
daghan kaayo sila test (actual ug theory) dapat pasaron before maka lisensya

[chukchakchenes]

if duol lang ang adtoan ayaw na dad.a ang imong vehicle

[vipvip68]

Yup you are correct ... these surplus Jeeps were left in the Phils because it would cost more to bring it back to the States , so with Filipino ingenuity , it was converted for use as transit ... Little did we know fast forward to the future, one of the problems were facing in planning mass transit whether it be trains , buses is addressing the thousands of drivers that use Jeepney's , we just can't say okay lets face out jeepney's na... Rail systems may work with jeepney's ie Manila , but buses may not in Cebu with Taxi, Jeep, and Buses assigned area's around city ... our roads are just too small ... i'm even thinking rail may not too with the little real estate we have for a place to put the infrastructure for it (cebu).

2 cents

allow me to pick your brain.... what would you suggest the government do to address the current and future traffic situation given the resources, topography and the existing jeepney system we already have?

[vipvip68]

- A heavy rail system would take billions to set up, and won't be feasible in an island province like ours. We simply don't have the time, and more importantly, the expertise to do this ourselves. Why else did our trains disappear when the Americans left?

afaik, the rail system was severely damaged because of WWII. Then buses became the mode of transport and the railways eventually lost out to the bus company.

[KE-25]

allow me to pick your brain.... what would you suggest the government do to address the current and future traffic situation given the resources, topography and the existing jeepney system we already have?

Well hmmmm let me think if I'll let you , pick my brain that is ...

I'll give a different view from the norm

Although Vip , thats a good question , similar question I asked everyone at the start of this post minus being on the money with resource, topography and current system we have.

Honestly, i'll give my Jack Nicholson impression, "we can't handle the truth"

You, I , and the many istoryans have a clue, just look at some of the great answers in here, but it being done , who knows....

We can type really great suggestions , fill it up like a book ... we can talk about the economics, culture, even suggest it - but what are the chances of it being done...

Vip, its a multilevel problem, hence I am resolved we need a strong leader, it starts from the top making its people believe the old ways are over and need to start moving in the right direction, change our culture on doing things, People also need to make sacrifices , make our kids better people for future generations.

Your probably going to say , hey your not addressing the question straight on , well my answer is , it will never get fixed if we don't change our culture, ourselves, our people.

I'll give you an example if I've had answered the question this way ...

1. We have a strict leader
2. We abolish Jeepney's, Stop further Franchises, Halt taxi's over 5 years in service.
3. Gather funds for Mass Transit

In paper it may seem nice but what would happen, seriously.... with the culture we have , Chaos ... you will hear , he is taking our livelihood, he is heartless, yada yada yada..

The way the culture is deeply rooted , we may have a problem houston.

We know what needs to be done, the problem is if were ever going to do it.

Although I may say , Cebu never had good City planning to begin with ..
Topography is No problem if we planned well, resource well ... it can be found if done right, current jeepney problem well ...

Address the culture , maybe just maybe we may move towards the light ...

I'm thinking , White paper, Redo City plan, make the people believe and understand, Implement, offer jobs for lost jobs, peoples personal sacrifices, a good captain to steer the ship

Think Singapore ...