Marvel versus DC

[Blackbeard]

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@Blackbeard: Rogue versus Wonder Woman. of course at first by strength jud sila. makita nko sa mga salida murag simple raman ang strength ni Wonder Woman, never seen her lift a big thing compared to Rogue. if you think match si Ms.Marvel kay Wonder Woman how much more si Rogue, what if makig fight si Rogue without her gloves and jacket, can Wonder Woman come near her? wala gani nabuhat si Ms.Marvel na dili pa kusgan si Rogue that time. take note, kung unsay magunitan or even skin to skin contact ni Rogue ma absorb niya ang abilities and memories sa person. take note again, Ms. Marvel has a speed of light and energy projection and absorption abilities which Rogue i believe absorbed also. basin unya pag sumbag ni Wonder Woman maluya sya hinay hinay kay gina absorb na iyang strength. She-Hulk versus Wonder Woman? if strength lang mismatch si Wonder Woman, just think of Hulk fighting Wonder Woman since same ra ug dugo si She-Hulk and Hulk, mas grabe lng ang kang Hulk.

If you think Thor is back to his classic levels unsa nalang kaha si Superman na namatay na, hehehe... mau niy match kay immortal ang duha. if strength lng mismatch si Superman kay Hulk pero i know if Superman will attack Hulk di lang jud strength iya gamitun kay mapildi man jud sya. if you can only watch movies about Hulk kung kinsa iya nanga away na, wla juy nakapildi sa iyaha, naay lain reason why mapildi sya like ang kunsensya ni Bruce Banner mo strike. grabe sab ka mismatch if Silver Surfer ipa kontra ni Superman... so Thor is much better versus Superman.

By the way asa ka kakita sa mga classes sa mutants? can you give me the link so i can follow.

sa salida, pero sa comics dako kaayo ug difference. Wonder Woman on more than one occasion held on to structures that are the size of cities, helped Superman tow or keep in orbit many celestial bodies and also together with Superman carried the Spectre's body which weights like eternity or simply put, heavier than a bunch of planets.

no, I don't think Ms. Marvel is a match. I was thinking about her more powerful alter ego, Binary though I'm not so sure since I've forgotten what she can do. and the current Ms. Marvel is more powerful than Rogue, though she cannot move at the speed of light like you said. at best, Carol is hypersonic.

I know very well how Rogue's powers work. and what you're saying about skin contact isn't going to matter when Diana can 1 hit KO, or kick her(Diana wears boots), or tie her up with her lasso and slam her to the ground, or hit her with her bracer's, tiara or if Diana is feeling especially cruel, use Zeus' lightning on her(said lightning stunned a god).

I've already said on a previous post how Wonder Woman took shots from a bloodlusted Superman. She-Hulk would only give Diana a light bruise or two. And She-Hulk is vastly more weaker than the Hulk and Wonder Woman since apparently, after checking Marvel's class list, she's only a meagre class 75, though I've been told she's gotten stronger since that writing at class 85. still not enough.

Superman isn't dead.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk. War Hulk which is the most powerful/angriest version of the Hulk is only comparable to that of a supernova, Superman laughs at supernovas.

the movie versions are much weaker, actually.

Surfer would only be a mismatch if he uses his powers correctly, if he did he would spam red sunlight radiation and that will be thend for Superman. without that, Superman would win. and Thor's current power levels would suggest that he would get eviscerated by Superman considering he could not even defeat the Sentry who is Marvel's failed attempt at making their own Superman(great fight though).

just google Marvel's strength classes.

kani kinsay i match sa DC ani nila?

Dark Phoenix


Apocalypse

Spectre can match the Phoenix, possibly beat her if he was at full power. although there are other characters too, can't be bothered to think about them right now.

Apocalypse, off the top of my head Cyborg Superman probably. though he has technopathy so that might be to Apocalypse' disadvantage.

[P-Chan]

Superman has flight, Heat Vision which can most definitely hurt the Hulk. Ice Breath which can stop him on his tracks for a moment, he can actually do a lot to the Hulk. and Hulk has certainly fought against different kinds of opponents, but rarely has he fought someone who is his superior(Silver Surfer, other Heralds etc.) but it'll take sometime for him to amass enough power to beat Superman in a fist fight. take note that it took the destruction of an entire Star System to only make Superman black out for a very short while. and at his weakest, Superman absorbed negative sun or anti-sun energies that could wipe out half a galaxy to prevent said energy from... wiping out half the galaxy. the Hulk can possibly reach such levels of strength if he gets mad enough, the problem is by that time Superman would have already dealt with him, either knocked him out or threw him to the next galaxy. War Hulk according to Romita(writer) has the power comparable to that of a supernova, which is nothing to Superman. under exposure from Red Sun energies, another one of his weaknesses, he tanked an explosion that's 50x the size of a regular supernova.

The Hulk has shown a high resistance to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown resistance to extreme temperatures, mind control, nuclear explosions. heat vision and ice breath... useless

flight is useless for both (superman can't hit him, hulk will probably throw stuff but obviously won't hurt or do anything to superman.. heat vision from above will feel like an insect bite)


throw attemp by superman... fail

hulk = potentially limitless, one supernova, two supernova, million supernova.. hulk can do...

superman has a chance to "defeat" the hulk but you have to really think about it..... clue(marvel did this to hulk before but eventually ni bailk ra siya.. don't know how..wa ko ni tiwas ug basa.. hehe..)

Batman is best left to do tactics, with the rest of DC's brainiacs/strategist.

I don't think batman will be that happy sitting around without first hand experience sa battle..

I know very well how Rogue's powers work. and what you're saying about skin contact isn't going to matter when Diana can 1 hit KO, or kick her(Diana wears boots), or tie her up with her lasso and slam her to the ground, or hit her with her bracer's, tiara or if Diana is feeling especially cruel, use Zeus' lightning on her(said lightning stunned a god).

all those probably work when rouge has her initial powers.. but don't forget rouge absorbed ms. marvel's power (including Marvel's above normal reflexes and psychic "seventh sense" that enabled her to subconsciously anticipate an opponent’s move, chances of a 1 hit KO w/o getting touch are slim) and possessed an amalgamated mutant human/alien Kree physiology that granted her a degree of immunity to poisons, and a virtually indestructible body.. and if i'm not mistaken she also absorb sunfire's powers (permanently like what happened with ms. marvel)..

[Blackbeard]

The Hulk has shown a high resistance to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown resistance to extreme temperatures, mind control, nuclear explosions. heat vision and ice breath... useless

Hulk has high resistance to physical damage true enough, Superman will still hurt him though when he throws around those planet busting punches while dodging Hulk's counters by moving his bodies atoms to the point he becomes intangible(a trick he learned from the Flash). Heat Vision is basically the Sun, it will hurt Hulk. and like I said, Ice Breath will stop him for a moment which will give Superman more than enough time to throw him into space where he won't be able to do anything because of his lack of flight powers.

flight is useless for both (superman can't hit him, hulk will probably throw stuff but obviously won't hurt or do anything to superman.. heat vision from above will feel like an insect bite)

Flight allows Superman to hit Hulks blind spots. a strong concentrated Heat Vision will pierce through his skin. they wouldn't have given Hulk regenerative abilities if he was truly invulnerable. and he has been wounded before.

throw attemp by superman... fail

he wasn't attempting to throw him, but stop him from going on a rampage and injuring people at that barbecue.

hulk = potentially limitless, one supernova, two supernova, million supernova.. hulk can do...

so far his most powerful incarnation is WWH, and that gets beaten down by Superman. he does have the potential to get stronger as he grows madder, but he probably won't reach such levels as I've already said before.

superman has a chance to "defeat" the hulk but you have to really think about it..... clue(marvel did this to hulk before but eventually ni bailk ra siya.. don't know how..wa ko ni tiwas ug basa.. hehe..)

yes, Superman either knocks him out and have Joker kill Banner or he throws him to another galaxy. as I said, Hulk's lack of any real mobility/flight is his biggest weakness.

I don't think batman will be that happy sitting around without first hand experience sa battle..

Batman isn't a child. he knows full well he would better help his comrades by organizing their strategies, something he's VERY good at. of course, unless he really needs to go out in the field, then he will but that only happens when his comrades fail so the writer can wank him to the readers(Batman fanservice).

all those probably work when rouge has her initial powers.. but don't forget rouge absorbed ms. marvel's power (including Marvel's above normal reflexes and psychic "seventh sense" that enabled her to subconsciously anticipate an opponent’s move, chances of a 1 hit KO w/o getting touch are slim)

yet Rogue and Ms. Marvel seem to have forgotten that "seventh sense" ability on account that they get hit often and by weaker characters.

and possessed an amalgamated mutant human/alien Kree physiology that granted her a degree of immunity to poisons, and a virtually indestructible body.. and if i'm not mistaken she also absorb sunfire's powers (permanently like what happened with ms. marvel)..

still wouldn't matter since Wonder Woman's fought and beaten characters/foes that are vastly more faster, durable and stronger than Rogue and Ms. Marvel or any of Marvel's female heavy hitters for that matter.

ah I forgot to mention Diana's game ending move called the Godwave. the Godwave is basically the power that created all the gods in the DCU and as well as the Speedforce which powers the Flashes and other DCU speedsters. when Diana uses the Godwave, all of her stats are raised to such a level that she can fight/hurt/beat high tier gods and Skyfather beings(Skyfather beings are Odin, Zeus etc. in both DC and Marvel; they have the power to destroy Galaxies). of course such power comes with a price, she can only use it for a few minutes otherwise she will be driven insane because the power also grants her nigh omniscience or cosmic awareness as they call it in Marvel, but on the scale like Eternity or such high tier beings. that is Diana's trump card, she would rather not use it but if there's nothing else left that can be done, she will use it. but against the likes of Rogue, Ms. Marvel she probably won't need it.

[Blackbeard]

argh, this thread is making me want to read comics again(I only read Power Girl). must continue to remind self that I hate the current direction both companies are going. >_<

[P-Chan]

Hulk has high resistance to physical damage true enough, Superman will still hurt him though when he throws around those planet busting punches while dodging Hulk's counters by moving his bodies atoms to the point he becomes intangible(a trick he learned from the Flash). Heat Vision is basically the Sun, it will hurt Hulk. and like I said, Ice Breath will stop him for a moment which will give Superman more than enough time to throw him into space where he won't be able to do anything because of his lack of flight powers.

hulk took cyclops optic blast at max power and engulfing the hulk's body and did not hurt him... naka bantay pud ko pag gamit ni superman sa iya ice breath purag it will take time, remember as big as the hulk is he's not slow(superman pa ni admit ana)... either hulk will have 2 options at this point.. clap or go forward.. and if ever ma freeze niya ang hulk by the time he's near he won't be frozen... I remember reading an issue where ang hulk na pin down nya with a simple flex sa iyang pectorals na labay niya iyang opponent.. basically it will take time a lot of time to freeze the hulk enough to throw him...

question: can superman attack when he's intangible? (mao nalang sah ato i.tawag sa iyang ability sah ron para dali.. )

Flight allows Superman to hit Hulks blind spots. a strong concentrated Heat Vision will pierce through his skin. they wouldn't have given Hulk regenerative abilities if he was truly invulnerable. and he has been wounded before.

hitting him will do nothing.. as soon as superman finish hitting him he's already regenerated..

powers is powers... they would not call superman "man of steel" for nothing.. same story..

superman had died before (even if temporary... dead is dead)

he wasn't attempting to throw him, but stop him from going on a rampage and injuring people at that barbecue.

true, but if superman attempt a throw ang outcome is he will be thrown instead...

so far his most powerful incarnation is WWH, and that gets beaten down by Superman. he does have the potential to get stronger as he grows madder, but he probably won't reach such levels as I've already said before.

what made WWH stronger aside from his powers is he thinks more clearer.. and does not randomly smash.. superman can only do so much.. but the hulk could do more... if the battle goes in the long run he'll only get madder..

yes, Superman either knocks him out and have Joker kill Banner or he throws him to another galaxy. as I said, Hulk's lack of any real mobility/flight is his biggest weakness.

again with your throwing galaxy.. di lagi na mo work... (at least the throwing part, see comic strip again) hulk is surprisingly mobile...

Batman isn't a child. he knows full well he would better help his comrades by organizing their strategies, something he's VERY good at. of course, unless he really needs to go out in the field, then he will but that only happens when his comrades fail so the writer can wank him to the readers(Batman fanservice).

maka notice man gud ko ni batman before siya mag scientist2x naa gud na siya sa away.. he's the one who "live to fight another day" kind of person sa ako pag tanaw.. learn siya sa iyang opponent then magita siya ug counter measure..


[QUOTE=Blackbeard;8650453]still wouldn't matter since Wonder Woman's fought and beaten characters/foes that are vastly more faster, durable and stronger than Rogue and Ms. Marvel or any of Marvel's female heavy hitters for that matter. [QUOTE=Blackbeard;8650453]

rouge only need to touch to KO WW forever

ah I forgot to mention Diana's game ending move called the Godwave. the Godwave is basically the power that created all the gods in the DCU and as well as the Speedforce which powers the Flashes and other DCU speedsters. when Diana uses the Godwave, all of her stats are raised to such a level that she can fight/hurt/beat high tier gods and Skyfather beings(Skyfather beings are Odin, Zeus etc. in both DC and Marvel; they have the power to destroy Galaxies). of course such power comes with a price, she can only use it for a few minutes otherwise she will be driven insane because the power also grants her nigh omniscience or cosmic awareness as they call it in Marvel, but on the scale like Eternity or such high tier beings. that is Diana's trump card, she would rather not use it but if there's nothing else left that can be done, she will use it. but against the likes of Rogue, Ms. Marvel she probably won't need it.

never knew that.. will read more about it..permanent ang insanity?

must continue to remind self that I hate the current direction both companies are going. >_<

na unsa diay?

[gatsby]

sa salida, pero sa comics dako kaayo ug difference. Wonder Woman on more than one occasion held on to structures that are the size of cities, helped Superman tow or keep in orbit many celestial bodies and also together with Superman carried the Spectre's body which weights like eternity or simply put, heavier than a bunch of planets.

no, I don't think Ms. Marvel is a match. I was thinking about her more powerful alter ego, Binary though I'm not so sure since I've forgotten what she can do. and the current Ms. Marvel is more powerful than Rogue, though she cannot move at the speed of light like you said. at best, Carol is hypersonic.

I know very well how Rogue's powers work. and what you're saying about skin contact isn't going to matter when Diana can 1 hit KO, or kick her(Diana wears boots), or tie her up with her lasso and slam her to the ground, or hit her with her bracer's, tiara or if Diana is feeling especially cruel, use Zeus' lightning on her(said lightning stunned a god).

I've already said on a previous post how Wonder Woman took shots from a bloodlusted Superman. She-Hulk would only give Diana a light bruise or two. And She-Hulk is vastly more weaker than the Hulk and Wonder Woman since apparently, after checking Marvel's class list, she's only a meagre class 75, though I've been told she's gotten stronger since that writing at class 85. still not enough.

are you kidding me? one kick from Wonder Woman malipong na si Rougue? have you seen uncanny x-men unsa ka durable ang body ni Rogue? and how come di kaduol si Rogue kang Wonder Woman? ka duol man gani ang mga weak heroines niya sa justice League how much more si Rogue na halos same same sila ka durable ug lawas... ug how come dili ma absorb ni Rogue ang power ni Wonder Woman? unsa may power ni Wonder Woman na makapa weak kay Rogue? i guess wala, sumbagay lang Rogue can still stand but can Wonder Woman stand the absorbing power of Rogue? i guess NOT... di gani sya ka duol kang Rogue i believe if Rogue wont use gloves and proper uniform to fight (meaning dili sya balot kaau ug sanina) with Wonder Woman.... and tanan nimo gi sulti bro about Wonder Woman beating up Rogue, you think Rogue will just sit and magtanga while being beaten? like ikick sya, talion sya sa lasso, ilamba lamba sa salug, matulog ra diay si Rogue ana? hehehehe... gakson lang ni Rogue si Wonder Woman, ambot if kalihok pa si Wonder Woman, and as ive said Rogue absorbed Ms.Marvel's power usa na diha ang speed of light... kusgan na kaau karun si Rogue he can cuddle any mutant that comes along her way, wala gani nabuhat si Ms.Marvel when Rogues started touching her, if Rogue touches Wonder Woman, tulog jud sya forever, ana lng ka simple....summary (lol) there is no power of Wonder Woman that can knock out Rogue coz same same sila ug abilities wen it comes to durability but Rogue's absorbing abilities? hmmm, enuf said...

Superman isn't dead.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk. War Hulk which is the most powerful/angriest version of the Hulk is only comparable to that of a supernova, Superman laughs at supernovas.

the movie versions are much weaker, actually.

have you seen movies featuring Hulk? naa bay naka pildi niya when it comes to strength? though im not impres w/ his fighting ability but his power is limitless, no one can stand his strength... the more sya pasakitan the more sya makusgan, d more sya maglagot d more sya mahimong indestructible, halos wala syay weakness. kung strength lang i strongly believe pildi jud si Superman. try to watch movies (animation) of Hulk. but again, dili si Hulk ipa match kay Superman, its Thor - the thunder god... take note - god.

Surfer would only be a mismatch if he uses his powers correctly, if he did he would spam red sunlight radiation and that will be thend for Superman. without that, Superman would win. and Thor's current power levels would suggest that he would get eviscerated by Superman considering he could not even defeat the Sentry who is Marvel's failed attempt at making their own Superman(great fight though).

again, are you kidding me? mismatch si Silver Surfer ni Superman? try to read this, i got this somewer else:

"Superman does need yellow solar energy to store up power. It doesn't necessarily have to be from our sun, but it does have to be a yellow star.
Silver Surfer possesses the Power Cosmic. Since many people don't realize how vast a power this is, I'll explain some of his many abilities. Surfer essentially can manipulate any ambient cosmic energies to his will. Yellow sun, red sun, green sun, white dwarf star, doesn't matter. He can use them to augment his physical capabilities. In Marvel terms, he can lift over 100 tons, matching Superman. He also is nearly indestructible, at least matching Superman. He can travel through hyperspace at warp speeds, making him far faster than Superman, & can even travel through time if he travels fast enough. DC has established at least one Flash of being able to accomplish this, & Superman can't match the Flash in terms of speed. The Surfer's vast array of powers allows him to do many, many things. He can transmute matter, meaning theoretically, he could transform Superman's cape into solid kryptonite if he wished. Even the Silver Surfer's board can absorb other beings & hold them captive, meaning if the Surfer wanted to, he could probably capture Superman, carry him off somewhere in space, & simply dump him out of the board. When you get right down to brass tacks, Superman isn't even in the Silver Surfer's league. Check the powers & abilities sections in the link provided for the Silver Surfer, & you'll see exactly what I mean. " - Silver Surfer - Marvel Universe Wiki: The definitive online source for Marvel super hero bios.

so, conclusion? Superman is no match for Silver Surfer mao dili sya ako gipa match niya...

by the way, ive seen Sentry also, grabe.... sya ra ang naka match sa strength ni Hulk pero he immediately collapsed on Hulk's feet after sa fight, daun si Hulk ni balik pagka Bruce Banner... see? how strong Hulk is? sa away nila maguba na daw ni Hulk ang entire Earth sa iya ka kusgan, coz the more sya masakitan the more jud sya ma kusgan...Sentry's powers may come from a cosmic source, or possibly even from the Judeo-Christian God (Wikipedia). also, Sentry projects an entity as a dark side effect of his powers which is si Void... si Void tung na kontra ni Thor not Sentry (good side):

During the Siege story line, the Void exhibits a more demonic form, capable of nearly slaughtering Thor, bringing down the entire city of Asgard, and striking down every immortal and mortal hero set against it simultaneously, as well later destroying the Norn Stone-powered Loki in seconds. Norman Osborn claims that it is the Angel of Death, tying into an earlier prelude which showed the Void's presence in biblical times. (WIKIPEDIA)..

just google Marvel's strength classes.

that's Marvel's strength classes, wala man cguro labot ang DC, lahi pud ilang measurement sa strength. so dili nimo sila ma compare and how can you say 50 lng si Rogue while si Wonder Woman is 100 when Marvel man tu sya na classes not DC.

Spectre can match the Phoenix, possibly beat her if he was at full power. although there are other characters too, can't be bothered to think about them right now.

murag di sila bagay ipa match. can u tell me more about Spectre? coz sako nabaw an, powerful lng sya tungod kay naa mo mando niya si Presence, well if wala na sya lets say character japon si Presence and fighting with Living Tribunal, is there Spectre pa na nag exist?

take note, Dark Phoenix can absorb entire star if she wishes, grabe na jud sya ka powerful, ug immortal sab ang phoenix force without a human as a host she can still fight...

Apocalypse, off the top of my head Cyborg Superman probably. though he has technopathy so that might be to Apocalypse' disadvantage.

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Apocalypse is immortal, he lives thousands of years na... pwede sab sya mo dako kaau ug grabe sya ug intelligence. bro, naay Technopathy si Apocalypse... Psionic powers pud:

Psionic blast - Ability to overload another's mind causing pain, memory loss, lack of consciousness, vegetative state or death after having created a psionic link into that individual's mind.
Psionic weapons - Ability to create a weapon of psychic energy that can harm mentally and not physically.

also Energy manipulation - These powers deal with energy generation, conversion and manipulation. In addition to generic energy, versions of these powers exist that deal with such things as light, sound, electricity, nuclear energy, and the Darkforce dimension.

uban rana sa powers ni Apocalypse, daghan pa...

[Blackbeard]

hulk took cyclops optic blast at max power and engulfing the hulk's body and did not hurt him...

Cyclops's optic blast isn't as powerful as the Sun, the Heat Vision is.

naka bantay pud ko pag gamit ni superman sa iya ice breath purag it will take time, remember as big as the hulk is he's not slow(superman pa ni admit ana)...

no, it won't take time. stop downplaying Superman's abilities.
Hulk isn't slow, his reactions are impressive but his movement isn't. he can launches himself at his opponents using his strength, the problem is he can't change directions because he lacks flight.

either hulk will have 2 options at this point.. clap or go forward..

thunder clap won't work.
go forward right into Superman's fist, is that what you're saying?

and if ever ma freeze niya ang hulk by the time he's near he won't be frozen... I remember reading an issue where ang hulk na pin down nya with a simple flex sa iyang pectorals na labay niya iyang opponent.. basically it will take time a lot of time to freeze the hulk enough to throw him...

you really have no idea how Superman's Ice Breath works.
he can freeze the likes of the Flash with it, of course the Flash vibrates his atoms and breaks free instantly. in the case for the Hulk while I do believe he will break free in no time, Superman can act faster and will chuck him into outer space/next galaxy.

question: can superman attack when he's intangible? (mao nalang sah ato i.tawag sa iyang ability sah ron para dali.. )

clearly not, but he can't be attacked. and if he vibrates enough he can turn invisible. not that he ever needs to with his speed he can just get behind Hulk and hit him in his blind spots because of Supes super speed.

hitting him will do nothing.. as soon as superman finish hitting him he's already regenerated..

if he gets hit with a planet destroying punch, it'll certainly KO him unless it's WWH then Superman might put in a little effort in his attack.

powers is powers... they would not call superman "man of steel" for nothing.. same story..

which has nothing to do with Superman's actual powers.

superman had died before (even if temporary... dead is dead)

also has nothing to do with the fight. at one point in their lives every superhero/villain has been killed, just not as highly publicised as Superman's.

true, but if superman attempt a throw ang outcome is he will be thrown instead...

no, because Superman in that image was not trying to fight the Hulk or wasn't taking him seriously. notice the dialogue. if Superman were ever serious the Hulk wouldn't be able to break free unless he has been angered enough far above his World War Hulk levels.

heh Hulk is a walking no limits fallacy.

what made WWH stronger aside from his powers is he thinks more clearer.. and does not randomly smash.. superman can only do so much.. but the hulk could do more... if the battle goes in the long run he'll only get madder..

you got it wrong the instant you said Superman, with his vast array of powers and the number of ways he can use them, said he can only do so much.

again with your throwing galaxy.. di lagi na mo work... (at least the throwing part, see comic strip again) hulk is surprisingly mobile...

wow, I'm surprised that you actually read what I wrote.

maka notice man gud ko ni batman before siya mag scientist2x naa gud na siya sa away.. he's the one who "live to fight another day" kind of person sa ako pag tanaw.. learn siya sa iyang opponent then magita siya ug counter measure..

he's not fighting the common street thugs in this match up, but another universe of superheroes and villains.
he's also taken the commander role before in larger scale battles/wars.

rouge only need to touch to KO WW forever

see? this is why I was surprised that you read my post, though I suppose not all of my post.
Rogue won't be touching Diana. Diana broke through the speed force(speed of light barrier) while only running and without putting any effort, how much more when she flies.

never knew that.. will read more about it..permanent ang insanity?

for the sake of everyone, hopefully not. though it's not been explored beyond that since Diana would stop.

na unsa diay?

you don't want to know.

[Blackbeard]

are you kidding me? one kick from Wonder Woman malipong na si Rougue? have you seen uncanny x-men unsa ka durable ang body ni Rogue?

no, I'm not kidding you. and I have seen Uncanny X-Men, and read the comics which is the more powerful version and from what I see, if Diana kicked her Rogue better hope she has money for surgery or regenerative powers, because Diana can even make Superman fall to his knees(he gets back up and is still > than her, nothing to worry about).

and how come di kaduol si Rogue kang Wonder Woman? ka duol man gani ang mga weak heroines niya sa justice League how much more si Rogue na halos same same sila ka durable ug lawas...

the comics version, which is what I'm using, is faster than Rogue. comics Diana is many times faster than light.
also DCAU Wonder Woman(the cartoon) was in a berserker state when she fought Canary and the rest, she was not really fighting tactically.

ug how come dili ma absorb ni Rogue ang power ni Wonder Woman? unsa may power ni Wonder Woman na makapa weak kay Rogue?

Diana is a magical being, and I think magic is beyond what she can absorb.

i guess wala, sumbagay lang Rogue can still stand but can Wonder Woman stand the absorbing power of Rogue? i guess NOT...

on the off chance and with incredible amounts of luck that Rogue does manage to touch her, Diana's willpower is one of the greatest in the DCU she'll withstand being absorbed rather easily since it's not the first time it's happened, but why bother when she can just punch Rogues face. also, magic might be beyond what Rogue can absorb. Diana is also protected by the gods(well most of them), so might not be a good idea to actually try and absorb her powers.

di gani sya ka duol kang Rogue i believe if Rogue wont use gloves and proper uniform to fight (meaning dili sya balot kaau ug sanina) with Wonder Woman....

haha, no. you are sadly mistaken. Wonder Woman can move at ftl and react at ftl. Rogue can't unless she absorbs Gladiators powers...

and tanan nimo gi sulti bro about Wonder Woman beating up Rogue, you think Rogue will just sit and magtanga while being beaten? like ikick sya, talion sya sa lasso, ilamba lamba sa salug, matulog ra diay si Rogue ana? hehehehe...

no, but that might as well be the case considering the HUGE advantage in speed, strength, skills, experience(fought in a 1000 year long war in Asgard together with Superman) that Diana has.

gakson lang ni Rogue si Wonder Woman, ambot if kalihok pa si Wonder Woman, and as ive said Rogue absorbed Ms.Marvel's power usa na diha ang speed of light...

Ms. Marvel is hypersonic at best, so is Rogue. and if Rogue grabs on to her, which I doubt she can, Diana having once towed or kept a planet in orbit with Superman and heaved the Spectre's body would easily break free.

kusgan na kaau karun si Rogue he can cuddle any mutant that comes along her way, wala gani nabuhat si Ms.Marvel when Rogues started touching her, if Rogue touches Wonder Woman, tulog jud sya forever, ana lng ka simple....

I didn't know Rogue was a male.

summary (lol) there is no power of Wonder Woman that can knock out Rogue coz same same sila ug abilities wen it comes to durability but Rogue's absorbing abilities? hmmm, enuf said...

enough said indeed, you have no idea what you're talking about. reminds me of that guy in the transformers thread, IceKnight I think.

have you seen movies featuring Hulk? naa bay naka pildi niya when it comes to strength?

please read and think about this sentence sentence of yours again.

though im not impres w/ his fighting ability but his power is limitless, no one can stand his strength... the more sya pasakitan the more sya makusgan, d more sya maglagot d more sya mahimong indestructible, halos wala syay weakness. kung strength lang i strongly believe pildi jud si Superman.

yes I don't need to read about the Hulk's powers again. anyway, Superman would defeat him with his plethora of powers and planet breaking punches. Hulk's strongest incarnation in all of fiction(well second to cosmic Hulk or whatever he was called in AoA) won't win in a fist fight against Superman. like I said, it took the destruction of an entire Star System to make him black out for a short while, I doubt Hulk will reach such levels of power immediately. and as far as Superman's own power goes, he has shown to have destroyed planets or planetsized objects with his fist alone and hurt a pre-Crisis/Silver Age Kryptonian(Superboy-Prime,) which says a lot about his punching strength.

try to watch movies (animation) of Hulk.

what makes you think I haven't? I even read the comics where Hulk is more powerful compared to his animation counterparts.

but again, dili si Hulk ipa match kay Superman, its Thor - the thunder god... take note - god.

unless it's Rune King Thor or Odinforce Thor, Superman would win. Superman is superior to him in every way, the magical weakness might be a problem but since Thor is no Dr. Strange and doesn't have complex magical attacks, Superman would beat him god or no.

again, are you kidding me? mismatch si Silver Surfer ni Superman? try to read this, i got this somewer else:

I don't even need to read. I am very familiar with Surfer and his powers since he is one of my favorite Marvel characters.

so, conclusion? Superman is no match for Silver Surfer mao dili sya ako gipa match niya...

Superman would loose IF Surfer uses his powers correctly. that's what I said. sadly most of the time he doesn't use his powers correctly, not his fault of course but of the writers. just like the Flash.

by the way, ive seen Sentry also, grabe.... sya ra ang naka match sa strength ni Hulk pero he immediately collapsed on Hulk's feet after sa fight, daun si Hulk ni balik pagka Bruce Banner... see?

World War Hulk was nothing but a mess of a storyline with every character who went up against the Hulk victimised with plot induced stupidity. the intelligent comic book fan would see that since Marvel wasn't actually being subtle. I feel sorry for the saps who got hoodwinked into buying those issues especially those expecting quality storytelling as witnessed in Planet Hulk(one of my favorite Hulk stories ever) which set the story of World War Hulk up.

how strong Hulk is? sa away nila maguba na daw ni Hulk ang entire Earth sa iya ka kusgan, coz the more sya masakitan the more jud sya ma kusgan...

comparable to a Supernova according to Romita(the author), definitely strong indeed. not strong enough against Superman though.

Sentry's powers may come from a cosmic source, or possibly even from the Judeo-Christian God (Wikipedia). also, Sentry projects an entity as a dark side effect of his powers which is si Void... si Void tung na kontra ni Thor not Sentry (good side):

During the Siege story line, the Void exhibits a more demonic form, capable of nearly slaughtering Thor, bringing down the entire city of Asgard, and striking down every immortal and mortal hero set against it simultaneously, as well later destroying the Norn Stone-powered Loki in seconds. Norman Osborn claims that it is the Angel of Death, tying into an earlier prelude which showed the Void's presence in biblical times. (WIKIPEDIA)..

lol Angel of Death, what does that even mean? is he like Ryuk(Deathnote) now. there's nothing biblical(lol) about his powers, he actually gets them from the Sun that's why Thor threw his body into the Sun knowing it would revive the Sentry.

as for the Void, he is still the Sentry the only difference is personality. the void is evil while Robert isn't. and evil characters tend to look more impressive because they don't hold back.

that's Marvel's strength classes, wala man cguro labot ang DC, lahi pud ilang measurement sa strength. so dili nimo sila ma compare and how can you say 50 lng si Rogue while si Wonder Woman is 100 when Marvel man tu sya na classes not DC.

I was expecting this response. you're still new to the whole DC vs. Marvel battles that's why you think so. but the fans have used Marvels class system to rank DC characters as well, and basing their ranking on what they have shown in the comics. and Wonder Woman is ranked at class 100 which means basically incalculable. you can actually google it if you want.

murag di sila bagay ipa match. can u tell me more about Spectre? coz sako nabaw an, powerful lng sya tungod kay naa mo mando niya si Presence, well if wala na sya lets say character japon si Presence and fighting with Living Tribunal, is there Spectre pa na nag exist?

Spectre does not need the Presence to act accordingly. he can even destroy the whole universe if he wanted to but there will be repercussions for him.

anyway, Phoenix at her most powerful(Phoenix of the White Crown) is said to be the 3rd most powerful character in Marvel, so her match ups in DC are limited to Spectre, Presence, Michael and Lucifer.

take note, Dark Phoenix can absorb entire star if she wishes, grabe na jud sya ka powerful, ug immortal sab ang phoenix force without a human as a host she can still fight...

yes, I know that very well. Dark Phoenix is actually pretty weak compared to PotWC.

Apocalypse is immortal, he lives thousands of years na... pwede sab sya mo dako kaau ug grabe sya ug intelligence. bro, naay Technopathy si Apocalypse... Psionic powers pud:

Psionic blast - Ability to overload another's mind causing pain, memory loss, lack of consciousness, vegetative state or death after having created a psionic link into that individual's mind.
Psionic weapons - Ability to create a weapon of psychic energy that can harm mentally and not physically.

also Energy manipulation - These powers deal with energy generation, conversion and manipulation. In addition to generic energy, versions of these powers exist that deal with such things as light, sound, electricity, nuclear energy, and the Darkforce dimension.

uban rana sa powers ni Apocalypse, daghan pa...

technopathy is the ability to control technology. Cyborg Superman is also an immortal(even made fun off by the comics fandom for being an emo because he wants to die). Cyborg Superman is a consciousness, he cannot be destroyed or killed, even when the Green Lantern Corps detonated War World which has power strong enough to destroy the Milky Way Galaxy.

between him and Apocalypse, it'll be a long long fight.

[gatsby]

about Rogue and Wonder Woman, hahaha.. di jud ta maghuman ani... you said ikick lng ni Wonder Woman si Rogue K.O. na, have u seen Justice League? ga lisud gani usahay ug pildi si Wonder Woman sa mga kontra unya ikick lng niya basta basta si Rogue daun ma K.O.? haha...

Diana is a magical being, and I think magic is beyond what she can absorb.

Why not? naa diay gipili kinsa i absorb niya?

on the off chance and with incredible amounts of luck that Rogue does manage to touch her, Diana's willpower is one of the greatest in the DCU she'll withstand being absorbed rather easily since it's not the first time it's happened, but why bother when she can just punch Rogues face. also, magic might be beyond what Rogue can absorb. Diana is also protected by the gods(well most of them), so might not be a good idea to actually try and absorb her powers.

protected by gods? this s not about Rogue versus Wonder Woman plus the gods, hehehe...

punch lang? ipunch lng ni Wonder Woman si Rogue? ka daghan na na punch si Rogue di man japon matarug, daghan na sab na punch si Wonder Woman buhi pa man sab? diba?

touch Diana? try to check these videos and see if Diana can't be touched nor harmed:

YouTube - (132) Wonder Woman, Kira (Super Girl) and Barda ryona [HD]
YouTube - Wonder Woman Beaten (Animated Movie)

and this one

YouTube - Wonder Woman Vs Justice League (i know maoni imo gi ingun she was not really fighting tactically, i dont know why, hehe)

sa sige nila ug sumbagay surely a touch of Rogue or even skin to skin contact could harm or weaken Diana. why? Diana is not a god, she is an amazonian princess. if you think godesses will help diana, take note naa sab Zeus sa Marvel.. so why magpatabang man wen it is Rogue versus Wonder Woman lang. now based on the YouTube videos, tell me if dili ba makaduol si Rogue niya? hmmmmmmmm...

the comics version, which is what I'm using, is faster than Rogue. comics Diana is many times faster than light.
also DCAU Wonder Woman(the cartoon) was in a berserker state when she fought Canary and the rest, she was not really fighting tactically.

was in berserker? calm man gani kaau sya molihok, unya ga huna huna pud unsa ilihok niya...how about uban niya na fight? na makulata pud sya, does it mean she was not really fighting tactically? hmmmmm...

no, but that might as well be the case considering the HUGE advantage in speed, strength, skills, experience(fought in a 1000 year long war in Asgard together with Superman) that Diana has.

naa diay na sa years? kinsa mas tigulang mauy mo daug? ana ba? i know you know daghan characters na sinauna pa or hundred years old mapildi sa mga new characters, right? example, mr.sinister, even apocalypse... sa DC, si superman makapildi ug mga 1000 + yrs old na villains... so since Thor and Superman pildi dayun si Superman ani kay hundred years old naman ni si Thor, right? hehe...

I didn't know Rogue was a male. enough said indeed, you have no idea what you're talking about. reminds me of that guy in the transformers thread, IceKnight I think.

hahaha, even typos pansinun, hahahaha...
yah i remember that guy. i was once at ur side because i know mao jud ang mo daug but this time im not on ur side because i know Marvel's line up are better than DC. dont even think ur ideas are better than anyone else thinking whoever oppose to you will be compared to IceKnight. dili raman ikaw ang naay ideas bro, naay tv, naay comics, so live with it that other people have other ideas too.

please read and think about this sentence sentence of yours again.

masayup man gihapon diay ka, so skip na sa correction...

unless it's Rune King Thor or Odinforce Thor, Superman would win. Superman is superior to him in every way, the magical weakness might be a problem but since Thor is no Dr. Strange and doesn't have complex magical attacks, Superman would beat him god or no.

hmmmm... ni bilib man gani ka ug god sa mga character, u even said Diana will be protected by gods but Thor is a god, how about that?

here are some of Thor's powers

Thor is a superb hand-to-hand combatant, and also skilled in armed combat, excelling in the use of the war hammer, sword and mace. Thor possesses two items which assist him in combat: the enchanted Belt of Strength, and his mystical hammer Mjolnir. The first item doubles Thor's strength and endurance while the second is used to control his weather abilities; flight; energy projection and absorption ; dimensional travel; matter manipulation and the most powerful of his offensives, the God Blast (which taps into Thor's life force and has driven back a weakened Galactus), the Thermo-blast (which has challenged Ego the Living Planet), and the Anti-Force (which counteracts another force). Using Mjolnir, Thor can also travel at supersonic speeds in Earth's atmosphere and travel faster than light in space. Thor also uses a chariot drawn by two huge mystical goats called Toothgnasher and Toothgrinder. He can throw an object out of Earth's atmosphere using his strength, and throw his hammer to Asgard from where it will return

As the Norse god of Thunder, Thor can summon the elements of the storm (lightning; rain; wind; snow) and uses Mjolnir as a tool to focus this ability, although the hammer cannot command artificial weather. He can cause these weather effects all over the world and destroy entire buildings; by whirling his hammer he can also lift entire buildings with the wind. As the son of the Earth goddess Gaea, Thor has shown some control over the Earth.

Thor also possesses a very high resistance to physical injury that approaches invulnerability; (e.g. rocket fire; intense cold and heat;falls from orbital heights and the gravity of a neutron star)

etc etc etc....

From Stan Lee: " "How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god." a kryptonian will fight a god? think about it...

lol Angel of Death, what does that even mean? is he like Ryuk(Deathnote) now. there's nothing biblical(lol) about his powers, he actually gets them from the Sun that's why Thor threw his body into the Sun knowing it would revive the Sentry.

thats from Wikipedia.. you want the link? im not making that up...

Spectre does not need the Presence to act accordingly. he can even destroy the whole universe if he wanted to but there will be repercussions for him.
anyway, Phoenix at her most powerful(Phoenix of the White Crown) is said to be the 3rd most powerful character in Marvel, so her match ups in DC are limited to Spectre, Presence, Michael and Lucifer.

do you know the power abilities of Spectre? Here it is:

Divine mystical enhancements granting virtual omnipotence, although the true scope ranges from the dictates of the Presence. Knowledge of events before the Crisis on Infinite Earths. (its from WIKIPEDIA again...) <--- again, im not making this up, im not more on talk but with proofs.


by the way, where did you get Phoenix is said to be the 3rd most powerful character sa Marvel? daghan pa man kaau cosmic entities aside from Phoenix who are omnipotent.. oh by the way. here are the powers of Phoenix Force:

Abilities

Virtual Omnipotence
Prescience
Cosmic Awareness
Indeterminable Cosmic and Psionic Powers
Life force Manipulation
Complete control over all forms of energy and matter

halos same sila ni Spectre no? mas powerful pa gani si Phoenix kaysa ni Spectre basing sa WIKIPEDIA not from our own ideas lang ha... While White Phoenix is very powerful. She is able to hold the universe in her hands and maninpulate time and space through extreme telekinetic control of atoms. She can also sustain herself through a black hole/event horizon. can perform functions similar to Death. However, her purpose is to be the opposite of Death. She represents passion, creation, and evolution. mao tu sya katung namatay si Jean Grey tapos gibuhi sya ni Phoenix, she was called White Crown Phoenix by that time (nabasahan ko lang ni sya).

And Phoenix did stop the destruction of the mulitverse bcoz of the M-Kran crystale (which was about to destroy the entire Mulity Verse), muli verse nani ha dili kay Earth lng na need pa ug host ug mo dictates, right? hmmmm

Phoenix lang na sya daghan pa cosmic characters sa Marvel like Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Roma, Oblivion, Galactus, Celestials, Watchers, Stranger, aetc. VIRTUAL OMNIPOTENCE si Spectre same with Phoenix, galing lang si Spectre "Divine mystical enhancements granting virtual omnipotence, although the true scope ranges from the dictates of the Presence."

Celestials lang gani from Marvel grabe na ka powerful, star-faring race of humanoid aliens who possess untold cosmic power, race na sila ha, dili kay usa lang. These space-gods possess power several orders above its own. And, even Molecule Man's power is practically limitless stated by Living Tribunal, he can even compare to the Celestials powers.

kindly check Celestials here - Omnipotence

[Blackbeard]

about Rogue and Wonder Woman, hahaha.. di jud ta maghuman ani...

gahi mn gud ka ug ulo.

you said ikick lng ni Wonder Woman si Rogue K.O. na, have u seen Justice League? ga lisud gani usahay ug pildi si Wonder Woman sa mga kontra unya ikick lng niya basta basta si Rogue daun ma K.O.? haha...

see? gi-ignore lang akong gisulti. tsk tsk. mao di jud ta maghuman ky ako moreply jud ko sa imong mga points pero ikaw mo lihay.

from my previous post:

no, I'm not kidding you. and I have seen Uncanny X-Men, and read the comics which is the more powerful version and from what I see, if Diana kicked her Rogue better hope she has money for surgery or regenerative powers, because Diana can even make Superman fall to his knees(he gets back up and is still > than her, nothing to worry about).

Why not? naa diay gipili kinsa i absorb niya?

sweetie, magic and mutant powers are different. Ms. Marvel once tried to absorb magic and she regretted doing so, asking Dr. Strange for help later.

protected by gods? this s not about Rogue versus Wonder Woman plus the gods, hehehe...

do you read your own post? you said Rogue will try absorbing Diana's powers which are a magical gift from the gods. trying to steal her powers is basically stealing from the gods. and that's also beyond Rogue's capability since she can only absorb mutant powers.

punch lang? ipunch lng ni Wonder Woman si Rogue? ka daghan na na punch si Rogue di man japon matarug, daghan na sab na punch si Wonder Woman buhi pa man sab? diba?

Wonder Woman does not kill. Diana is skilled enough to use only the needed force to knock her out.

touch Diana? try to check these videos and see if Diana can't be touched nor harmed:

YouTube - (132) Wonder Woman, Kira (Super Girl) and Barda ryona [HD]
YouTube - Wonder Woman Beaten (Animated Movie)

those versions of Wonder Woman are weaker even compared to the JLU cartoon series Wonder Woman who raced a rocket or the comic versions which can move/react at many times faster than the speed of light.

just as the Uncanny X-Men cartoon and the X-Men Evolution cartoon are weaker versions of the characters.

and this one

YouTube - Wonder Woman Vs Justice League (i know maoni imo gi ingun she was not really fighting tactically, i dont know why, hehe)

she was mind controlled by Roulette.

sa sige nila ug sumbagay surely a touch of Rogue or even skin to skin contact could harm or weaken Diana.

wrong. Diana will one shot her.

why? Diana is not a god, she is an amazonian princess. if you think godesses will help diana, take note naa sab Zeus sa Marvel.. so why magpatabang man wen it is Rogue versus Wonder Woman lang. now based on the YouTube videos, tell me if dili ba makaduol si Rogue niya? hmmmmmmmm...

I didn't say she would need the help of the gods. you need to read better.
and based on those weakened versions of those characters? Rogue from X-Men Evolution gets turned into meat paste. Uncanny X-Men Rogue will suffer the same fate when she realizes how much better a fighter Diana is. iirc, Rogue couldn't even beat Juggernaut in that cartoon and was owned by Gladiator.

was in berserker? calm man gani kaau sya molihok, unya ga huna huna pud unsa ilihok niya...how about uban niya na fight? na makulata pud sya, does it mean she was not really fighting tactically? hmmmmm...

berserk state doesn't necessarily mean she would be snarling and drooling or growling.
Diana, like Superman, holds back. they get hit, but they don't even feel it. they also would try to reason and talk their enemies to stop fighting. but that's not going to happen here since this is a battle.

naa diay na sa years? kinsa mas tigulang mauy mo daug? ana ba? i know you know daghan characters na sinauna pa or hundred years old mapildi sa mga new characters, right? example, mr.sinister, even apocalypse... sa DC, si superman makapildi ug mga 1000 + yrs old na villains... so since Thor and Superman pildi dayun si Superman ani kay hundred years old naman ni si Thor, right? hehe...

it's called experience. the only time a more experienced character would lose in a fight is if he/she was being careless or their enemy was much more powerful than them that their experience would serve only to keep them alive. and in this case, Wonder Woman is way above Rogue in every category including experience. not to mention Diana grew up as a warrior while Rogue was just a teenager in a suburb with lots of issues.

hahaha, even typos pansinun, hahahaha...
yah i remember that guy. i was once at ur side because i know mao jud ang mo daug but this time im not on ur side because i know Marvel's line up are better than DC. dont even think ur ideas are better than anyone else thinking whoever oppose to you will be compared to IceKnight. dili raman ikaw ang naay ideas bro, naay tv, naay comics, so live with it that other people have other ideas too.

they are the collective opinion of nearly every comic book fan who has interest in this kinds of things. I've met many other people like you and IceKnight who have no idea what they're talking about. the idea that Rogue would actually stand a chance against Wonder Woman? that will get you laughed at and accused for being a troll, though I'm a little more forgiving since the Philippines was exposed more to Marvel than DC, and are pretty ignorant to how incredibly ridiculous the powers of the mainstream DC heroes are compared to Marvel.

masayup man gihapon diay ka, so skip na sa correction...

waking up from a nights sleep will do that. but you should read that sentence and think how ludicrous it sounded.

hmmmm... ni bilib man gani ka ug god sa mga character, u even said Diana will be protected by gods but Thor is a god, how about that?

the case between Thor and Superman is different, because Superman isn't trying to absorb his powers.

here are some of Thor's powers

which I am all too familiar with having read many Thor comics.

From Stan Lee: " "How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god." a kryptonian will fight a god? think about it...

yes, and Superman has fought many gods and beaten many of them. being a god doesn't mean they're automatically invincible or cannot be defeated.

thats from Wikipedia.. you want the link? im not making that up...

yes, wikipedia. a most reliable source. and like I said, I know all of this already.

do you know the power abilities of Spectre? Here it is:

are you insulting me?

Divine mystical enhancements granting virtual omnipotence, although the true scope ranges from the dictates of the Presence. Knowledge of events before the Crisis on Infinite Earths. (its from WIKIPEDIA again...) <--- again, im not making this up, im not more on talk but with proofs.

your so called "proof" coming from a notoriously unreliable website prone to edits by just about anyone.

by the way, where did you get Phoenix is said to be the 3rd most powerful character sa Marvel? daghan pa man kaau cosmic entities aside from Phoenix who are omnipotent..

I've long forgotten, but back when I was active in DC/Marvel VS matches, this was a conclusion that was reached. it is not something official, but going from what we've seen in the comics it might as well be.

oh by the way. here are the powers of Phoenix Force:

now I'm just laughing.

halos same sila ni Spectre no? mas powerful pa gani si Phoenix kaysa ni Spectre basing sa WIKIPEDIA not from our own ideas lang ha...

must resist trying to laugh, because you are very wrong there.
they are about even.

While White Phoenix is very powerful. She is able to hold the universe in her hands and maninpulate time and space through extreme telekinetic control of atoms. She can also sustain herself through a black hole/event horizon. can perform functions similar to Death. However, her purpose is to be the opposite of Death. She represents passion, creation, and evolution. mao tu sya katung namatay si Jean Grey tapos gibuhi sya ni Phoenix, she was called White Crown Phoenix by that time (nabasahan ko lang ni sya).

And Phoenix did stop the destruction of the mulitverse bcoz of the M-Kran crystale (which was about to destroy the entire Mulity Verse), muli verse nani ha dili kay Earth lng na need pa ug host ug mo dictates, right? hmmmm

yawn, basically.

Phoenix lang na sya daghan pa cosmic characters sa Marvel like Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Roma, Oblivion, Galactus, Celestials, Watchers, Stranger, aetc. VIRTUAL OMNIPOTENCE si Spectre same with Phoenix, galing lang si Spectre "Divine mystical enhancements granting virtual omnipotence, although the true scope ranges from the dictates of the Presence."

bolded: no. that is a wrong belief. I'll post a scan of this later.

Celestials lang gani from Marvel grabe na ka powerful, star-faring race of humanoid aliens who possess untold cosmic power, race na sila ha, dili kay usa lang. These space-gods possess power several orders above its own. And, even Molecule Man's power is practically limitless stated by Living Tribunal, he can even compare to the Celestials powers.

kindly check Celestials here - Omnipotence

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okay. you're lucky you didn't go with these opinions in such sights like KMC otherwise you would be laughed at.

I'm planning to post some scans later.