The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[SioDenz]

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well sa ako lang nga nahibaw.an y d na cla misahan ky wala man cla mu confess sa ila sins b4 cla namatay plus ngpakamatay pa jud.. dako bya na nga sala mao d na nila misahan ky ig judgement nlang na cla hukman.. so pasabot kanang mga namisahan na patay swwerte ra au na cla ky naa dako chance na maluwas.. well ana cla...

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Kini nga post nimu bro, unsay pasabot ani? naa kay Evidence ani?

Abi ba nko hugot kaayu nang imung pagtuo nga misahan Jud ang Mag suicide sa katolikong simbahan unya nganu ni presentar man kag rason nganu wa sila misahe? Naa ni tanan sa Bibliya imung gipang Rason ani?

[dartzed]

Kini nga post nimu bro, unsay pasabot ani? naa kay Evidence ani?

Abi ba nko hugot kaayu nang imung pagtuo nga misahan Jud ang Mag suicide sa katolikong simbahan unya nganu ni presentar man kag rason nganu wa sila misahe? Naa ni tanan sa Bibliya imung gipang Rason ani?

sa una mana bro kabantay ka naa sa kinalasan gibutang "well ana cla" meaning that's the idea b4 ako nadungan but now i have proof nga misahan jud..

so i need evidence from you to prove nga deli misahan kana jud gikan sa catechism of the catholic church kana bro opinion raman na sa tao ako gisulti.. deli mana sa catechism of the catholic church..

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm so asa man kana legit bro gikan jud sa simbahan sa RC..

btw ang kalig.on sa pagtuo maoy hinungdan nganu mukat.on sa mga butang2 nga wala pa nakat.onan bro..

[SioDenz]

sa una mana bro kabantay ka naa sa kinalasan gibutang "well ana cla" meaning that's the idea b4 ako nadungan but now i have proof nga misahan jud..

so i need evidence from you to prove nga deli misahan kana jud gikan sa catechism of the catholic church kana bro opinion raman na sa tao ako gisulti.. deli mana sa catechism of the catholic church..

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm so asa man kana legit bro gikan jud sa simbahan sa RC..

oi so Nag paling-paling diay Ka ani run. nya kadtung imung pag sulti anang higayuna gikan sad to imung knowledge sa Bibliya kay ikaw may ni ingun nga TANANG teaching sa RC gikan sa Biliya.?

Unsaon namu pagkahibalo ani nga ikaw maoy nag sabwag sa Insaktong Tinuhuan sa Katoliko nga sulod sa mubo nga panahon nag paling paling man ka. basin mu paling nsad ka ugma

[SioDenz]

Some answers on the question taken from: ZENIT - Funeral Masses for a Suicide


Funeral Masses for a Suicide


ROME, NOV. 15, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Answered by Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University.

Q: What is the current stand of the Church regarding the possibility of funeral Masses "in corpore presente" of persons who are said to have committed suicide? Is it true that there already are mitigating circumstances, like the possibility of irrationality at the moment of taking one's life (even if there was no note), whereby it would be possible to suppose that the person was not in his right mind, and that therefore it is licit to let the funeral entourage to enter a church and a funeral Mass be said? -- E.C.M., Manila, Philippines

[Bold]A: In earlier times a person who committed suicide would often be denied funeral rites and even burial in a Church cemetery. However, some consideration has always been taken into account of the person's mental state at the time.[/Bold]

In one famous case, when Rudolph, the heir to the throne of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, committed suicide in 1889, the medical bulletin declared evidence of "mental aberrations" so that Pope Leo XIII would grant a religious funeral and burial in the imperial crypt. Other similar concessions were probably quietly made in less sonorous cases.

Canon law no longer specifically mentions suicide as an impediment to funeral rites or religious sepulture.

Canon 1184 mentions only three cases: a notorious apostate, heretic or schismatic; those who requested cremation for motives contrary to the Christian faith; and manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral cannot be granted without causing public scandal to the faithful. These restrictions apply only if there has been no sign of repentance before death.

The local bishop weighs any doubtful cases and in practice a prudent priest should always consult with the bishop before denying a funeral Mass.

A particular case of suicide might enter into the third case -- that of a manifest and unrepentant sinner -- especially if the suicide follows another grave crime such as murder.

In most cases, however, the progress made in the study of the underlying causes of self-destruction shows that the vast majority are consequences of an accumulation of psychological factors that impede making a free and deliberative act of the will.

Thus the general tendency is to see this extreme gesture as almost always resulting from the effects of an imbalanced mental state and, as a consequence, it is no longer forbidden to hold a funeral rite for a person who has committed this gesture although each case must still be studied on its merits.

Finally, it makes little difference, from the viewpoint of liturgical law, whether the body is present or not. If someone is denied a Church funeral, this applies to all public ceremonies although it does not impede the celebration of private Masses for the soul of the deceased.

The same principle applies to funeral Masses of those whose body is unavailable for burial due to loss or destruction. Certainly the rites are different when the body is present or absent, but the Church's public intercession for the deceased is equally manifest in both cases.

Bro Dartzed, di ba ni agree man ka ani nga post sa una? gikan baya ni sa pari. Unya kining part sa statement nga:

"A: In earlier times a person who committed suicide would often be denied funeral rites and even burial in a Church cemetery. However, some consideration has always been taken into account of the person's mental state at the time."

Insakto nang gitubag ni Father Edward McNamara or Sayop?

Or basin mu ingun nsad ka sa una paman na

[dartzed]

Bro Dartzed, di ba ni agree man ka ani nga post sa una? gikan baya ni sa pari. Unya kining part sa statement nga:

[Bold]A: In earlier times a person who committed suicide would often be denied funeral rites and even burial in a Church cemetery. However, some consideration has always been taken into account of the person's mental state at the time.[/Bold]

Insakto na or sayop nah?

Or basin mu igun nsad ka sa una paman na

reffer to my posts above..

attacking me sa mga previews post nako will not affect my answer to you today kay naa nko proof..hehehehe

kaykaya tanan bro.. ayaw lang kalimti ang ato topic ug imo evidence gikan sa catechism of the catholic church.. asa na nako mabasa did2 nga deli misahan or ig kung giusab man gani sa Rc tagae ko proof of amendment gibuhat sa RC nga simbahan.. para mutuo ko nimo..

[dartzed]

oi so Nag paling-paling diay Ka ani run. nya kadtung imung pag sulti anang higayuna gikan sad to imung knowledge sa Bibliya kay ikaw may ni ingun nga TANANG teaching sa RC gikan sa Biliya.?

Unsaon namu pagkahibalo ani nga ikaw maoy nag sabwag sa Insaktong Tinuhuan sa Katoliko nga sulod sa mubo nga panahon nag paling paling man ka. basin mu paling nsad ka ugma

paling2? kinsa may wala muatubang sa ako demands beh b4 ta nagsugod sa ato topic?...hahahaha imo naman nua gipang hikyad ang post/ idea ra sa tao deli ang legit teachings sa catechism of the catholic church..

hahaha ako pa nimo post daun kas imo proof aron magstart nata.. if wala kay proof bai sulti lang gud kay tagaan man tika asa na mabasa sa catechism of the catholic church..

like i said give me proof ug asa nato mabasa kay ako sad muhatag if asa na mabasa then well talk more basta deli lang mu out of topics sa suicide case..

[dartzed]

Naa man gi pasahan ang mga apostles dili lang mga pari ug labaw na dili mga Katoliko kai wala pa man ang RC anang panahona. It would take 200 years na maconceive na ang Catholic na ideology and then 300+ years until ang RC ma fully established.

Kung naa ka time basaha lang ang New Testament. Sugod sa book of Acts up to the end walay apil Revelation. Naa ra jud na diha ang story sa mga unang simbahan.

Pwede pud ni nimo tan.awon na timeline. >> Timeline of Christianity - ReligionFacts

ok bai salamat sa site try nako ug basa..

[SioDenz]

reffer to my posts above..

attacking me sa mga previews post nako will not affect my answer to you today kay naa nko proof..hehehehe

kaykaya tanan bro.. ayaw lang kalimti ang ato topic ug imo evidence gikan sa catechism of the catholic church.. asa na nako mabasa did2 nga deli misahan or ig kung giusab man gani sa Rc tagae ko proof of amendment gibuhat sa RC nga simbahan.. para mutuo ko nimo..

Kana diay gi ingun sa Pari about mostly sa una ig mag suicide wala Funeral Rights? - Unsa diay na nga Proof ? di ba pari may nag sulti ana? naa pa man gani nay Website, NI AGREE pa gani ka ana sa una?

Di ka mudawat ana? or nagpaka buta bungol raka?

Ipasangil lagi dayun ang SA UNA PANA

[SioDenz]

A: In earlier times a person who committed suicide would often be denied funeral rites and even burial in a Church cemetery. However, some consideration has always been taken into account of the person's mental state at the time. - Father Edward McNamara

SAKTO si Father o DILI? please daw tubag..

[dartzed]

@machinecult

bro nabasa nako ako imo gihatag nga site but deli mana proof sa apostolic successions mga events mana cya but try to read this one i dunno if legit na but i seems kay gibased man sa bible and naa pa other infos..

Scripture Catholic - APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY AND SUCCESSION