MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

[Butchokoy]

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OT @ BUTCHUKOY ...

Its not about where I come from , its about what I share the belief with other people and identifying what is right and what is wrong based on the doctrines .

I dont condemn HOMOSEXUALS , everyone knows that , I dont judge them. I even lock threads that talks about HOMOSEXUALS because no matter how the TS started the thread in good faith , I know it will end up mocking and insulting the HOMOSEXUALS . I also declared my alliance with HOMOSEXUALS in UNiversity of San Carlos and members of groups like STAND , SPP , TINGOG etc knows that ... apil gyud na sa plataporma nila ang equality sa 3rd *** because they know I can give them atleast 50 votes guaranteed in any given time on elections . Thats how compassionate I am to the homosexuals because I have relatives also that are homosexuals and if people thinks that I dont understand them , they are wrong . I understand their feelings and stand in life also .

The only issue here is , I am clearly identifying why the church reacted on the SAMES3X marriage because their actions are very INSULTING . This time , I am with the church and against the people who supports SAME S3X MARRIAGE out of the HOLY MATRIMONY . Thats why , I suggested , ngano diay ug maghimo ang KABAYOTAN ug ilahang own version na p[rocess of marriage ? Ngano ang RITES sa SIMBAHAN pa man ang gamiton na guideline ?

clear points taken.
1. youre not against Homosexuality
2. youre not against Gay Marriage
3. You are supporting your Church condemning Gay Marriage intending to follow the same rites of the "Holy Matrimony".

So, its clear that its the Sacrament of the Holy Matrimony that you are advocating to be respected, accorded and preserved of its granular sanctity.

Now, what are the 3 goals of Christian Matrimony.

1. Cooperation between man and woman;

2. Procreation;

3. Protection against adultery and fornication.


"Protection against adultery and fornication" - Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality let each man have his own wife, and let each woman has her own husband ... For it is better to marry than to burn with passion” (1 Corinthians 7). Marriage is the remedy for human weakness, for keeping oneself virtuous, and preventing sexual immorality, which God detests.

"fornication" - Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman not married to each other" ( this is just one of the many levels of fornication, it starts with unmarried single man and woman)

So, the reason why I mentioned "premarital ***" as just one of the many things that the Christian community practice is because -

If your Church is against the gay men to get married following the rites of the Christian Matrimony, what about those who marry while the woman is already months pregnant? What about those who marry (maybe 9 out of 10) after living together and have had *** all over the place? Isnt this another disrespect to what you call "Rites" of your Holy Matrimony?

This is why, Im saying..their wrong is just another wrong, there already are existing wrongs inside your supposed Sacred matrimony. So now, how different is this wrong to this 1 wrong that Im talking about? Is this being diligently and strictly observed? I dont think so.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

So, the reason why I mentioned "premarital ***" as just one of the many things that the Christian community practice is because -

If your Church is against the gay men to get married following the rites of the Christian Matrimony, what about those who marry while the woman is already months pregnant? What about those who marry (maybe 9 out of 10) after living together and have had *** all over the place? Isnt this another disrespect to what you call "Rites" of your Holy Matrimony?

It is DISRESPECT but that doesnt end their because we also have what we call the SACRAMENT of PENANCE and RECONCILIATION . A couple can not have the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY if they are not in the STATE of GRACE . Can the HOMOSEXUALS do that ? Definitely but it is hard !

This is why, Im saying..their wrong is just another wrong, there already are existing wrongs inside your supposed Sacred matrimony. So now, how different is this wrong to this 1 wrong that Im talking about? Is this being diligently and strictly observed? I dont think so.

It is observed . refer to my reply above .

[gatecrasher]

definition of terms:
marriage is the union of man and man, or woman and woman, or man and woman.

pedro ngano imong answer
"marriage is the union of man and woman" sayop ni imong answer!

there will come a time when morals will be so twisted that it challenges the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. But who is the Lord anyway? It's never of maturity of the generation. however, Its more of the erosion of morals. Lies when spoken like as truth, it will become THE only truth in the ears of the deceived.

bai kanang imong analogy sa tubag ni pedro ba, did u remember how many planets were there during our elementary days? the answer would be different. but that doesnt mean that the truth has been twisted.

peace!

[gatecrasher]

Nag tinarong na mahimo og dude, ganahan ka na dudets na hinoon iyang pilion? hehehe sure oi. Dapat ka ma luoy sa mga girls kay nag anam na kagamay ang mga lalaki na tarong.

ang mga disciplinado nya dagko og lawas naa sa gira uban patay na.
ang mga bright nga buotan busy sa carrer, nya if naa naman gani hinog na minyo nasad.
ang mga gwapo usahay dili ra babae ang ilang ganahan.
ang mga naay bisyo patay, preso, rehab
ang mga kiatan og kamot, gi bilin na sa dalan sa mga vigilante.
ang mga polis na tarong gi patay sa shoot out
ang mga polis na dili tarong pusilon sa sparow unit.
mga negosyante pusilon og mga nag motor.
ang mga palahobog magunay ra na sila.
naa pa jud uban lalaki na matakdan sa pagka babae.

Luoy na kaayo ang atng mga babae karon kay daghan pa sila naa pa jud silay competition nga mga dudets!

bai, basin kalimot ka sa mga lesbians bai. if your analogy is about proportionate levels for male vs female. then you have one lesbian for every gay man. so equal ra bai. does that make you happy na? =)

peace!

[Butchokoy]

It is DISRESPECT but that doesnt end their because we also have what we call the SACRAMENT of PENANCE and RECONCILIATION . A couple can not have the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY if they are not in the STATE of GRACE . Can the HOMOSEXUALS do that ? Definitely but it is hard !



It is observed . refer to my reply above .

hmmm...... I cnt see it anywhere above. Saying that its easier for straight people to be in the state of grace is just... I dunno...Im speechless....

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

hmmm...... I cnt see it anywhere above. Saying that its easier for straight people to be in the state of grace is just... I dunno...Im speechless....

Actually , there is . Lets just say a homosexual person also commited pre marital s3x , in the canon law , he or she cant be forgiven if she stays homosexual . Unlike straight people , their acts can be forgiven .

Though the reconcilation depends on the sincerity of that individual , that is the reason why I said it is hard for the homosexuals . Lisod gani quit smoking , sexual orientation na ba .

[gatecrasher]

magpaka importanti jud ang mga bayot noh? kaluoy sad..

haha. bai dli man na magpakaimportante. ang tawag ana magpakaEQUAL. peace!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ GATECRASHER ...

Are you gay ?

If you are , I have a question for you .

In what sense are you referring into sa term na " EQUALITY " ?

Thank you daan .

[gatecrasher]

@ GATECRASHER ...

Are you gay ?

If you are , I have a question for you .

In what sense are you referring into sa term na " EQUALITY " ?

Thank you daan .

yes bai. im gay. equal rights! but re sa inyo topic about church marriage. im good without it. civil rights ra ako gi.apas. i cudnt care less about your church. =)

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I am talking about in what sense ang EQUALITY na gipasabot nimo .

So if its about CIVIL RIGHTS , dili ba na achieve na man na ? Although naa gihapon gamay discrimination but dili lang man kamo .