MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

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magpaka importanti jud ang mga bayot noh? kaluoy sad..

[vipvip68]

Ok ra man for me ang Gay Marriage sa state...

Pero sa church side, as long as it is accepted sa kato nga church lang..

Obviously the Catholic Church does not welcome gay marriage.... it would be like going to a party where you are not welcome or invited...

You can get married without the need for a church ceremony....

If you want "blessing from God" for your marriage, find a religion that accepts you.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

And that is exactly what the MCC did , ang loophole ang gi gamit nila to promote their SAME S3X agenda using the rites of the CATHOLIC CHURCH which is the SACRAMENT of MARRIAGE by being a CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION daw when in fact it is an obvious CULT .

They can marry all they want ... anytime and anywhere but by something else na rites . Mag imbento pa kaha na sila ug ilahang own wedding rites , rituals or ceremonies . Nobody really cares . Or why not pass a bill to LEGALIZED the SAME S3X marriage in the Philippines so they can marry in courts .

[3nZ0y]

That is an accusation out of what you read and hear and not what you really know .

Seriously, I was very active in our church activities before. I knew the ins and outs of the RC church. I knew a handful of priests who were indeed transferred to another parish church because of all their 'dirty deeds'. Mind you this is not limited only to homosexuality and pedophilia but a lot of other 'moral issues' including the failure to stick with the vow of chastity, which for me is one of the very foundation of RC priesthood.

Seriously , are you getting the drift here ? There is no problem with the HOMOSEXUALS to get married as long as the union of their love is bound by something else and not from the rites of SACRAMENT of MARRIAGE . Did you follow thew MCC website , research about them and find out unsa na rites ilahang gi gamit ?

They believe in Jesus Christ and the 'triune god' so they follow the 'Christian rite'...and your point?

Lol ... isnt it obvious why they dont believe in the Holy Spirit ? But it doesnt mean the muslims dont have their own rites or rituals in marriage .

My question is 'IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS A GIFT FROM HOLY SPIRIT, THEN WHERE DO MUSLIM MARRIAGE COME FROM IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT'?

I hope you understand the question now and answer it. TIA.

And since when ang mga CHRISTIANS naay SAME S3X MARRIAGE ?

Since MCC was founded.

That is the whole point , all you can come up with are SPECULATIONS when in fact , you should be focused more sa REALITY . That in the first place , ngano makig minyo man ang isa ka BAYOT sa isa ka GIRL ? SHOTGUN MARRIAGE ? Tell that to the marines .

There are a lot of factors ngano makig minyo (or mapugos og pakig minyo) ang bayot ug usa ka babaye. I for one know some gays nga naminyo.

Exactly ! And mismo kamo kahibalo na bawal ang HOMOSEXUALITY sa BIBLIYA , RELIHIYON , mga TUDLO ug DOKTRINA ngano mamugos man mo ma minyo gamit ang ritual sa Sagrado Katoliko ?

Sagrado Katoliko? Did they really follow that? Well, to be honest, I wasn't there when they did the rite and I wasn't able to see the whole wedding rites. Have you? Care to share a link that shows it?

Aw adaptation ra diay na ? From whom ? Karon pa ko lol .Although I apologized na di diay ni siya gifts from thr Holy SPirit but still it carries SACREDNESS because these are SACRAMENTS and the HOLY MATRIMONY is one of them .

Even before RC was founded naa na ang marriage rites ui. I would rather reserve my other comments after having seen the exact rite the MCC follows.

See for yourself now how you mga BRADS takes it figuratively . Taking it for granted because it is not HOLY and its ok gamiton sa mga KABALSTUGAN sa mga KABAYOTAN .

Who judges what is kabulastugan or not? Righteous people? Holy book? Society?

OT: I thought you are a 'protector' of gays from the real homophobic, but how come I sense some discrimination here (aimed to the general gays and not just those nga nakigminyo sa ilaha same *** through MCC? [I was referring to the post about kabulastugan])

And that is exactly what the MCC did , ang loophole ang gi gamit nila to promote their SAME S3X agenda using the rites of the CATHOLIC CHURCH which is the SACRAMENT of MARRIAGE by being a CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION daw when in fact it is an obvious CULT .

For the sake of discussion, what do you think is a cult? Who has the right to brand an organization/group as a cult? Would you agree if I say that MCC might as well be a cult, but it is still CHRISTian?

If they believe in Christ and his teachings (particularly about 'universal love') what do you call them then?

They can marry all they want ... anytime and anywhere but by something else na rites . Mag imbento pa kaha na sila ug ilahang own wedding rites , rituals or ceremonies . Nobody really cares . Or why not pass a bill to LEGALIZED the SAME S3X marriage in the Philippines so they can marry in courts .

And then the RC priests and bishops will start meddling, AGAIN? Good idea.

[Golden Thief Bug]

padung najud ta tambling ani. unsa mana tawn ning panahon ron.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Seriously, I was very active in our church activities before. I knew the ins and outs of the RC church. I knew a handful of priests who were indeed transferred to another parish church because of all their 'dirty deeds'. Mind you this is not limited only to homosexuality and pedophilia but a lot of other 'moral issues' including the failure to stick with the vow of chastity, which for me is one of the very foundation of RC priesthood.

You are directing and pointing a finger to an individual and not to the church . Just because you are very active doesnt mean you know andf that even includes me also . Yes CHISMIS daghan out of the different mediums .

They believe in Jesus Christ and the 'triune god' so they follow the 'Christian rite'...and your point?

My point ? They are violating because HOMOSEXUALITY is not accepted at all sa bible where the doctrines are based at . And now you are suggesting what ?

My question is 'IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS A GIFT FROM HOLY SPIRIT, THEN WHERE DO MUSLIM MARRIAGE COME FROM IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT'?

I hope you understand the question now and answer it. TIA.

I dont believed it is a gift , I took that back . But for your own personal CONSUMPTION , we are not talking about MARRIAGE here and who are against it . We are discussing here ngano ang mga KABAYOTAN gamiton ang RITES sa KATOLIKO .You are making it so complicated . Ayaw na lisora ang sayon . Do you even know what is a MUSLIM MARRIAGE ? I dont know where it came from . Why are you asking me ? Since kamo man ang interested about MARRIAGE , why dont you ask the MUSLIMS since kabalo na man mo unsay RITES sa CHRISTIANS .

Since MCC was founded.

And then ? What and who the heck is MCC ?

There are a lot of factors ngano makig minyo (or mapugos og pakig minyo) ang bayot ug usa ka babaye. I for one know some gays nga naminyo.

And the relevance of the issue ?

Sagrado Katoliko? Did they really follow that? Well, to be honest, I wasn't there when they did the rite and I wasn't able to see the whole wedding rites. Have you? Care to share a link that shows it?

You should know it since you are defending them . Why dont you check out their website , their advocates on the SAME S3X MARRIAGE thing . WHy dont you find out wher the founder came from . Their interviews from the TV . There are lots of accounts for you to know and it is rather more better that way compared na ako pa ang mo sulti ana .

Do you think ana ka BOGO ang mga OBISPO mo react kung ang marriage na nahitabo doesnt involve the ROMAN CATHOLICS ? Nobody really cares maski ka 1 million pa mo mag minyo , gamit lang mo ug inyohang proseso sa kaminyu-on .

Even before RC was founded naa na ang marriage rites ui. I would rather reserve my other comments after having seen the exact rite the MCC follows.

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that . We are talking about here BRAD na ang MARRIAGE RITE ba sa RC , mao na ang EXACT RITE pod sa gipasabot nimo before it was founded ? How did you know naay MARRIAGE RITES na ni exist ? Theories naay daghan cguro based on drawings and manuscripts interpreted .

And by the way , for the MCC side , it could have been a slight difference based on the usage of of precedence and words but the content clearly shows , it was using such RITES not intended for the HOMOSEXUALS .

Who judges what is kabulastugan or not? Righteous people? Holy book? Society?

Dont use the RIGHTEOUS lage because apil man mo ana . Nobody is excempted from that . Even ikaw RIGHTEOUS man ka wether you like it or not so irrelevant na siya . Who judges ? If society ang mo mandate then it is about what is acceprted and what is not thats why we have a word called TABOO . If ang Bible ang m mandate out of the DOCTRINES authored by the DOCTORS of the CHURCH which is now what you call the CANON LAWS , then it is defined unsay KABALSTUGAN . And that is not only for the HOMOSEXUALS but for the whole HUMANITY . SO you feel betetr now ?

OT: I thought you are a 'protector' of gays from the real homophobic, but how come I sense some discrimination here (aimed to the general gays and not just those nga nakigminyo sa ilaha same *** through MCC? [I was referring to the post about kabulastugan])

Dont single me out . Dont get me wrong . I love HOMOSEXUALS . They make my day , I have GOOD GAY FRIENDS who are good companies . But the moment ni lapas ka sa balising , TAE na siya na . The MATURITY of the LOVE between two same *** lovers doesnt justify the means in a WEDDING . kana siya FYI , highlights na lang na . But who are me to say that right ?

So the issue about KABALSTUGAN is not applicable because sometimes ako mismo naa man koy KABALASTUGAN .

For the sake of discussion, what do you think is a cult? Who has the right to brand an organization/group as a cult? Would you agree if I say that MCC might as well be a cult, but it is still CHRISTian?

I already issued the that statement to FAQ regarding what is a CULT . If you mind first find out its core definition , then it would be a good information for both parties so as to establish where we stand in identifying what MCC is .

Yes they could be Christians in beliefs , nobody can stop them . Heck even their MARRIAGE using the RITES as a foundation gikan sa Sagrado Katoliko naa ba mabuhat mism ang Vatican ana ? Wala gyud inatwn but naa ba mabuhat ang mga HOMOSEXUALS sa outrage and reactions sa CHURCH because they are INSULTING the SACREDNESS of it ? Wala pod and that is exactly the issue here .

If they believe in Christ and his teachings (particularly about 'universal love') what do you call them then?

Like I said , they can still be Christians for all they want . UNIVERSAL LOVE is bound by LOVING UNCONDITIONALLY and do you really have to be MARRIED to LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY ?

I am starting to wonder if you really know what LOVE is because you referring it as LOVE of the LOVERS . LIke the BF and GF , BF and BF or GF and GF for that matter .

And then the RC priests and bishops will start meddling, AGAIN? Good idea.

For now .. speculations lang na . We dont really know . But try ninyo mga BRAD getting MARRIED daw using the MUSLIM RITES and make sure to BROADCAST it NATIONALLY . You think its a better IDEA ? I am pretty sure we have MUSLIM BROTHERS and SISTERS na mga HOMOSEXUALS pod .

[Butchokoy]

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@BUTCHUKOY ...

You may not GAY , but are you a CATHOLIC or a CHRISTIAN for that matter ? Ayaw na ug likua ... just answer that question .

Before I will answer or clarify this statement :

"They confine themselves to the teachings of some Crooked Mythical, Legendary, fanatical, misled, Business oriented, powerplaying, Self - righteous, Greedy, phedophiliac, etc.. etc.. Community."

i know where youre coming from brad. Im there. I get you. What eats me is how you present yourself as one who is so definite about your judgement on Gay people exercising marriage following the rites of the Christian Catholic matrimonial sacrament. It is not about whether Im Catholic or Christian, its about the balance between doctrines and acceptance that no one will ever have the right to condemn another Human being as how you outrightly declare. You have no right Brad. Amidst the facts of Faith and its resource that we all make reference to, we all still have different beliefs and principles and to condemn your brother just because you think that what you have is everything thats right, you just made your truth and faith questionable.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

OT @ BUTCHUKOY ...

Its not about where I come from , its about what I share the belief with other people and identifying what is right and what is wrong based on the doctrines .

I dont condemn HOMOSEXUALS , everyone knows that , I dont judge them. I even lock threads that talks about HOMOSEXUALS because no matter how the TS started the thread in good faith , I know it will end up mocking and insulting the HOMOSEXUALS . I also declared my alliance with HOMOSEXUALS in UNiversity of San Carlos and members of groups like STAND , SPP , TINGOG etc knows that ... apil gyud na sa plataporma nila ang equality sa 3rd *** because they know I can give them atleast 50 votes guaranteed in any given time on elections . Thats how compassionate I am to the homosexuals because I have relatives also that are homosexuals and if people thinks that I dont understand them , they are wrong . I understand their feelings and stand in life also .

The only issue here is , I am clearly identifying why the church reacted on the SAMES3X marriage because their actions are very INSULTING . This time , I am with the church and against the people who supports SAME S3X MARRIAGE out of the HOLY MATRIMONY . Thats why , I suggested , ngano diay ug maghimo ang KABAYOTAN ug ilahang own version na p[rocess of marriage ? Ngano ang RITES sa SIMBAHAN pa man ang gamiton na guideline ?

[jsebastian]

naaaaaaaaah naunsa ngd ni.... para nako okay rman ang same *** marriage for equality but never step on every religion; beliefs, rites and standards. As long as naa silay ilang kaugalingon na Ceremony, GO AHEAD as we do respect individual differences.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

^^^^

And that is exactly what I am emphasizing since my very first post .