CBCP...going too far?

[junmar4]

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kuyawa sa amo ginoo noh naa man jud sa netherlands... tsk.tsk.tsk.

militante? unsay sunod rebelde? ingana diay na magpakabana ta sa ato katilingban noh.

[eax]

kuyawa sa amo ginoo noh naa man jud sa netherlands... tsk.tsk.tsk.

militante? unsay sunod rebelde? ingana diay na magpakabana ta sa ato katilingban noh.

Ang communista biya wala biya na religion. Karon pa ko na ang mga communista kay mo apil-apil ug prayer rally.

[budmendz]

kuyawa sa amo ginoo noh naa man jud sa netherlands... tsk.tsk.tsk.

militante? unsay sunod rebelde? ingana diay na magpakabana ta sa ato katilingban noh.

Pagpakabana? Nobody is buying your deceptions. Labi na gyud sa mga taga Cebu nga dunay klarong panghunahuna nga ang tan-awon ang tinuod nga issues ug dili mobasi lang ug mga personalities. Dia ra O, usapa nang inyong pagpakabana...

Getting people to join in rallies still a challenge

By Suzzane Salva-Alueta, Jolene Bulambot
Cebu Daily News
Last updated 06:32am (Mla time) 12/16/2006

DESPITE the unpopularity of the moves to amend the Constitution, a militant group admitted having a hard time mustering a crowd during their rally.

Winnie Badayos, chairman of AMA Sugbo-Kilusang Mayo Uno, said they still had a hard time convincing the people to join them in their protest actions.

Yesterday, close to 50 people joined the rally on Colon Street.

“Mao pa nay gipaningkamotan namo og pangita og paagi unsaon namo pagkabig ang atong kaigsuonan nga mogawas sa ilang tagsa-tagsa ka panimalay para ilang ipakita ang ilang pagbatok sa pag-usab sa batakang balaod (We have been finding ways how to convince the people to get out of their homes and show their opposition to Charter change),” he said.

Last Dec. 12, Badayos and some members of his group went to see Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal at the Our Lady of Guadalupe Parish Church to ask him to lead in the prayer rally against Charter change (Cha cha).

But Cebu's soft-spoken prelate turned them down and stood firm in his decision to focus his energy on information dissemination about issues surrounding Cha-cha.

But the Cardinal told them while he supported the stand of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), he would rather focus on information dissemination about Cha-cha, instead of leading the prayer rallies.

The CBCP earlier called for a “national watch and prayer gathering” on Dec. 17 “in all major cities or dioceses in order to express our opposition to the hasty and manipulative way (constituent assembly) was being pursued for Charter change.”

Badayos said Vidal told them that modules on Cha-cha were being prepared for different parishes.

He said they asked Vidal where the information drive would lead eventually. What they would have wanted was that after the education campaign, people would go out to the streets and show their opposition through the prayer rallies.

“Nagkinahanglan sila og mo lead, pero murag dili pa siya andam mo lead (We need somebody to lead but apparently, he is not ready to lead,” Badayos said.

On Sunday, other groups have plan to join a nationwide protest action against Charter change. Brother Carlos Muncada, pastor of Jesus Is Lord (JIL) -Cebu, said more than 1,000 of their members agreed to join their prayer rally to be held at r Fuente Osmeña or Plaza Independencia

“As for us here in Cebu, we support our national leaders in our Church. It is our responsibility to participate in any actions that would have impact on the people, especially on any changes in the Constitution. It is the responsibility of the religious sector to guide and give light especially to our leaders,” he said.

Officials of the Integrated Bar of the Philippines (IBP) Cebu City chapter said they will also join the rally in solidarity with groups in Manila.

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Try harder lang mo bai, basin diay ... ug madugay... mapul-an nalang nang inyong mga leaders (nga kadaghanan ana nila mga tagalog speaking pa) kay way kaon sa inyong paon.

[budmendz]

Ang communista biya wala biya na religion. Karon pa ko na ang mga communista kay mo apil-apil ug prayer rally.

That's why people with sound minds don't buy their crap about prayer rallies. If they can convince the Vidal about their notion of prayer rallies they can catch a lot more people to join them on the streets. Here is the position of Vidal about prayer rallies...


Ask about Cha-cha’
By Jovy S. Taghoy
Sun.Star Staff Reporter

IN opening his tradi tional celebration of the dawn masses, Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal gave importance to what he described as “the social concern of these days”: Charter change.

In his homily during the 4:30 a.m. concelebrated mass at the chapel of the Archbishop’s Palace, Vidal told the faithful that in deciding to support a cause, a person should tap one’s willingness to tell the truth, care for justice, act with integrity, shared love and show respect for each other’s freedom.

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“Let us precisely be aware of the several social concerns that we have to face, and fight, and finish one at a time. There is no denying it. One social concern of these days is the Charter change. If you want to decide as to its need or no need, always be honest and be humble to ask questions in order to be clarified and to become committed to a cause,” the prelate said.

Cardinal Vidal said widespread discussion about the matter is essential “in prayer meetings, in Bible studies, in seminars and even retreats. And even a brief sermon at a mass may start off the discussion to be continued outside.”

In an interview after the mass, Vidal explained that he included the issue on constitutional change in his sermon because Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) president and Jaro, Iloilo Archbishop Angel Lagdameo wants an information campaign about it.

The CBCP is leading a “thanksgiving rally” today, after President Arroyo and her allies in the House of Representatives backed off from Charter change through a constituent assembly.

Administration allies in the House have sought a change in the form of government from presidential-bicameral to parliamentary-unicameral. One of the controversial provisos is the extension of the proponents’ terms of office.

Vidal said the Cebu Citizens Maturation for People Empowerment and Liberation (C-Cimpel) is coming out with a module about Changer change.

But the prelate stood firm on his earlier statement that he will not take part in the church-led prayer rally today.

“They want to rally but I do not like prayer-rallies. I do not like it because I have experienced it many, many times. It’s not prayer. What we want is to pray for peace and order, reconciliation,” the prelate said.

As to Speaker Jose de Venecia’s plan to ask Vidal to mediate between the House of Representatives and the Senate, Vidal said he is not the right person to do it because the issue is political.

“When it is religious matters, I know. But when it is political, how do I know? How can I react? What they do in Congress, I am not a party to it. In the first place, I do not know what they do. I have so many things to do,” Vidal said, adding that he will just pray for both the House and the Senate.

With this year’s Misa de Gallo theme of “Living the spirituality of stewardship in this year of social concerns”, Vidal thanked the faithful for waking up early to hear the mass, despite exposing themselves to danger while walking on the roads.

The prelate said it is faith that moves the people to get together “as one, big, happy family in order to hear the word of God, all about Christmas.”

It is in hearing mass that the faithful learn some lessons to live by that will guide them on how to behave and make peace, especially at home and at work, Vidal said.

He hopes that the faithful will be present in the next eight dawn masses, as some only attend the first and the last dawn masses.

“I know, and you know, it demands from all of us a lot of sacrifices and of prayers and even headaches and backaches,” he said.

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[junmar4]

kuyawa mokilatis ug tawo noh, basta magpakabana nga tawo, militante ug kumonista na dayon. dili na nato ikatingala nga mas modaghan pa mga rally tungod sa mga tawo nga mapanghusga.

[budmendz]

kuyawa mokilatis ug tawo noh, basta magpakabana nga tawo, militante ug kumonista na dayon. dili na nato ikatingala nga mas modaghan pa mga rally tungod sa mga tawo nga mapanghusga.

It's no surprise. That's the militants' usual first line of defense -magpabilib sa katilingban nga concerned citizens sila, ha-ha-ha...
Like what I said, try harder. Hibal-an na nang inyong mga style. Kanang inyong pagkabana adto na ninyo dalha sa Manila kay mga tawo ngadto mga uwat (fanatic) dagko. Dali ra ulog-ulogan. Pero sa Cebu bai kutasan gyud mo kay mga tawo diha di madali dali ug ilad. Mga mat-an pas bukag.

[LytSlpr]

Church = Spiritual
State = Political

It's like mixing oil and water. It's quite impossible but only in the Philippines is where we can say it is a special case. Nowhere in the world

i agree that the separation of church and state is an ideal move however it is remotely to almost not possible especially in a Catholic dominant country like the Philippines. WHY? because both involves an individual's personal beliefs and principles. that's the precise reason why defining the line between spiritual and political is very difficult because the loyalty to your god doesn't stop where the loyalty to your country begins. it SHOULD go side-by-side and sometimes SUPERSCEDES the latter.

probably, that's the reason why seemingly highly intelligent people doesn't believe in God or their faith is waning. in short low EQ.

[eax]

i agree that the separation of church and state is an ideal move however it is remotely to almost not possible especially in a Catholic dominant country like the Philippines. WHY? because both involves an individual's personal beliefs and principles. that's the precise reason why defining the line between spiritual and political is very difficult because the loyalty to your god doesn't stop where the loyalty to your country begins. it SHOULD go side-by-side and sometimes SUPERSCEDES the latter.

probably, that's the reason why seemingly highly intelligent people doesn't believe in God or their faith is waning. in short low EQ.

Kinahanglan gyud i-separate ang church and state kay naa biya mga state law na contradict sa church law take for example the death penalty and family planning.

Let's take kana na example

Sa death penalty easy kaayo nila mo sulti ana ang mga pari kay dili man sila ang mga biktima.

Family planning, kinahanglan na gyud naa na ta ana kay over populated na kaayo ta. Mao na every year shortage ta ug classrooms. Then ila dayon i-reason kay corruption dayon sa government. Thats b******t. Maayo unta ang mga pari mo paka-on sa mga over populated na mga tawo.

[wanderlust]

It's no surprise. That's the militants' usual first line of defense -magpabilib sa katilingban nga concerned citizens sila, ha-ha-ha...
Like what I said, try harder. Hibal-an na nang inyong mga style. Kanang inyong pagkabana adto na ninyo dalha sa Manila kay mga tawo ngadto mga uwat (fanatic) dagko. Dali ra ulog-ulogan. Pero sa Cebu bai kutasan gyud mo kay mga tawo diha di madali dali ug ilad. Mga mat-an pas bukag.

With the same militants and opposition personalities at the frontlines of the so-called "prayer rally", I'm not surprised that it was largely ignored by the public.

Most militant organizations in the Philippines are mere fronts of the CPP-NPA.

[goryo13]

let them clean their ranks first before meddling with the state affairs