Re: Hazing Probe issues...

[FK]

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Why such nonsense and still do it ?? TRADITION .

and why not get over with the non sense tradition?

mura man sab ng tradition sa uban katiguwangan.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Just like what you said bai " mura man sab ng tradition sa uban katiguwangan. " .... The tradition itself is as old as the fraternities . The first greek lettered fraternity w/c is PBK ( Phi Beta Kappa ) practiced it way back in 1775 and still does .

[PissKhanXXX]

whether we like it or not, pain has always been associated with loyalty and quality, and not quantity.

if not for the test of endurance, we would have screaming men in the PMA or Westpoint at the sound of gunfire, and or worthless members of top-quality organisations.

if some of you consider the number of scum organisation members to be huge, the number would be worse if membership was no-sweat-free-for-all. take for example the nonsense wanna-be Bloods & Crips in the Philippines. even highschool kids walking around with nappies claim to be of some big what-not.

[FK]

whether we like it or not, pain has always been associated with loyalty and quality, and not quantity.

but i would assume what you meant by pain is sacrifice/hardship not pain brought by paddling. And I guess there are also numerous ways of testing loyalty and quality.

even springfield admits that there are some TRADITIONS that are still present in fraternity hazings that are plainly nonsense.

and this physical pain that every neophyte will be experiencing... is it somewhat discriminating to those individuals who is weak by body, but has a great brain and numerous talents to share in your brotherhood?

I can understand military trainees to undergo rigorous physical pain because when they go out after that they are train to be defenders of their nation ready to kill but with regards to this fraternities why is it required to experience numerous physical pains just to be considered a brother?

[PissKhanXXX]

^^back to my post

Loyalty & Quality

[FK]

if not for the test of endurance, we would have screaming men in the PMA or Westpoint at the sound of gunfire, and or worthless members of top-quality organisations.

mao ni exactly akong gi-point... giving justification the kind of physical pain that a neophyte has to endure. Ang aim ba sa fraternities the same sa military? to make its members strong?

but i guess i'll just accept springfields's explanation that it is just plain old TRADITION, that you can't get away with giving physical pain to aspiring new members.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Bai FK .... it is just like that . Wether we like it or not , it will be like that for more generations to come . To make the individual strong not for war but strong mentally in approaching things to function as a fraternity member .

[FK]

To make the individual strong not for war but strong mentally in approaching things to function as a fraternity member.

giving physical pain bai will develop a person to be strong mentally? was this proven in psychology? kay ako nahibaw-an bai mao gi discourage na ang pagbunal sa bata tungod kay dili maau og epekto sa utok2x sa bata. Mao ra ba nay paagi paghimo sa usa ka taw to make the individual STRONG MENTALLY?

question bai... naa ba mo disabled nga kauban? e.g. naka wheel chair. kanang disabled na siya daan before nahimong member?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

giving physical pain bai will develop a person to be strong mentally?

I was referring to PHYSICAL HAZING in general bai n not kana pasakitan ka like paddling etc .

was this proven in psychology? kay ako nahibaw-an bai mao gi discourage na ang pagbunal sa bata tungod kay dili maau og epekto sa utok2x sa bata. Mao ra ba nay paagi paghimo sa usa ka taw to make the individual STRONG MENTALLY?

Oo but literally are NEOPHYTES the kids you are referring to ? TODDLERS ? It will make them value their hardship w/c is an ingredient to a better relationship towards co members n the system itself .

question bai... naa ba mo disabled nga kauban? e.g. naka wheel chair. kanang disabled na siya daan before nahimong member?

In my early years as an active member , naka meet ko ug 2 ka POLIO VICTIM n 1 ra ka tiil . Prosthetics ang left leg niya . FULL PLEDGE MEMBERS sila ... how they made it I dont know but nothing is impossible if you work hard for it . Naka wheelchair bai wala pa .... after na members ubay2x hehehe .

[FK]

I was referring to PHYSICAL HAZING in general bai n not kana pasakitan ka like paddling etc.

pero kani ako pasabot bai paddling, kay kani nga paagi rampant pa gihapon kaau ni sa hazing sa fraternities.
agree with you that test physical, psychological can make the person stronger mentally and physically. Pero ang ako jud point bai kay kaning paddling.

It will make them value their hardship w/c is an ingredient to a better relationship towards co members n the system itself.

agree bai 100% but not on paddling. hehehe...

In my early years as an active member , naka meet ko ug 2 ka POLIO VICTIM n 1 ra ka tiil . Prosthetics ang left leg niya . FULL PLEDGE MEMBERS sila ... how they made it I dont know but nothing is impossible if you work hard for it.

ngano wala man naka wheel chair bai nga nakasulod? to be a member bai kinahanglan man ka og invitation dba? onsa man requirements para ma invite ka to become a member?