Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

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Faith cannot save you. Believers are blind because of the so called faith that can be twisted for their own interests.

Christianity is not based on blind faith for we are encouraged to test everything.

[luci_morningstar]

Humans are naturally born empathetic and altruistic towards others, if you still need a 2000 year old book to act and to be like that, then you sir have a problem..

So you still need to read the 10 commandments to know that coveting your neighbor's wife is wrong?

Really? and do we established Scientific LAWS about that?

I though Humans are EVOLVED creatures same as animals as what science says. Evolved from single celled DNA. AND as far as i know, the Characteristics of Evolution in the WILD does Not include "empathetic and altruistic towards others"..

In the LAW of evolution, ONLY the Strong Survives, The Law of Tooth and CLAW - Mao bitaw reason why some animals are Here and Some are Not. Animals CANNOT and Did Not evolve or Survive because they "empathetic and altruistic towards others"... all they have is INSTINCT not empathy...

SO if Humans have different Based Characteristics than other EVOLVE animals then it in conflict with your evolution theory. Humans May Not be an Evolved Species.

And it certainly in Conflict with the COncept of Atheism

Mao nay naka Problema sa inyung Belief - FULL of Logical inconsistencies.

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like i said, i dont have to believe in the bible to understand it., in the same manner, i dont have to believe what you are saying to know what you mean therefore i can correct you whenever i want using your own basis, that's what drives debates in the first place.. why are you having a hard time understanding that?

Its hard to understand if Someone says Debates are ridiculous but is the first one to engage in one.

Whats the SENSE of debating something you don't believe? Its self Defeating.

You will QUote the Bible as your argument But you dont Believe the Bible is True. So meaning you Try send a POINT using a POINTLESS argument.

[luci_morningstar]

exactly.

it's innate on us humans the essence of right and wrong.

but these religious still need a BOOK GUIDE for them to determine that

Show us scientific proof

So that innate essence of right and wrong, gikan pa na na inherit sa single celled organism bro? or was it evolved also?

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Faith cannot save you. Believers are blind because of the so called faith that can be twisted for their own interests.

You dont know what Faith really is. Dont Judge the Belief by its Abuse.

[luci_morningstar]

Proved something using the bible, disproved using the same book... it may not seem so, but all you people are doing is disparaging the book over and over...

Because it not JUST a Simple Belief, its More than that and its Open for Interpretation. Apil man gani kag interpret

[Jhared]

Really? and do we established Scientific LAWS about that?

I though Humans are EVOLVED creatures same as animals as what science says. Evolved from single celled DNA. AND as far as i know, the Characteristics of Evolution in the WILD does Not include "empathetic and altruistic towards others"..

In the LAW of evolution, ONLY the Strong Survives, The Law of Tooth and CLAW - Mao bitaw reason why some animals are Here and Some are Not. Animals CANNOT and Did Not evolve or Survive because they "empathetic and altruistic towards others"... all they have is INSTINCT not empathy...

SO if Humans have different Based Characteristics than other EVOLVE animals then it in conflict with your evolution theory. Humans May Not be an Evolved Species.

And it certainly in Conflict with the COncept of Atheism

Mao nay naka Problema sa inyung Belief - FULL of Logical inconsistencies.

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Its hard to understand if Someone says Debates are ridiculous but is the first one to engage in one.

Whats the SENSE of debating something you don't believe? Its self Defeating.

You will QUote the Bible as your argument But you dont Believe the Bible is True. So meaning you Try send a POINT using a POINTLESS argument.

What are you talking about Densio? You somewhat have a twisted interpretation of evolution, you are clearly misinformed.. the law of evolution is not survival of the strongest, it is in fact survival of the fittest through random selection, meaning that only the specie that has adapted well with his environment survives, mao bitawng naa pay mga ok-ok karon, strong diay nang ok-ok?.

One good adaptation is developing altruistric characteristics, species also survive because of altruism, they give birth, care and protect their young, they go about in herds or community, follow certain sets of intrinsic rules, protect their peers, protect their territories, and they do it without even having the need to talk, we happen to be the only specie that can put words in things such as love and feelings of hate, etc.., but that does not mean nga kita ray naa ana,. that's altruism, and that's what we have intrinsically also,.. if magsalig pka'g bibliya para mabut-an ka, then you should talk to a shrink..

inyong bible open for interpretation? did your god not tell you to lean not on your own understanding?

[chrisvil]

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You dont know what Faith really is. Dont Judge the Belief by its Abuse.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief. [Wikipedia]

Faith in God! No Questions. But faith through a pastor/priest is questionable. There is no such judgement in this case.

[Archon]

The title reflects the fact that bible verses can be interpreted in different ways and its been like this for thousand years and people still don't get it that truth like gem is multifaceted.

So instead of hitting each other's cheeks let's look for a compromise.

[Kenshiro]

We should work for the Gospel but not for salvation since salvation is obtained only through grace not works.

[Kenshiro]

palihug expound daw ..... kay murag imong g-sulti na walay gamit ang imong gipang buhat na nindot sa imong isig ka tao. luoya intawn if mao na inyong beliefs


mao ni ang dapat soundtrack ninyo diri :: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scj4F9XkOgU

Look at the apostles they work for the Gospel but their salvation is obtained through the atonement Christ.
This is a good discussion for believers for bashers you can bash all you want, you won't get anyone here to turn to your side. Same as those who are close minded with regards to the Biblical principles.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
Ephesians 2:8-10

Salvation is not by works but by grace so that we cannot boast it is by the work of Christ that we are saved.
So no matter how much good work you do without accepting Christ salvation it is nothing.
Good works through Christ is the only acceptable work. "created into Christ for Good works".

Daghan nag Epal good works sa mga politicians but if you look at it closely its all trash it is works for the purpose of boasting.

[Kenshiro]

mao ni akong sabot sa imong storya ha :: luoy diay kau ang mga tao na nag tinarong or nag binut-an kay wala ra diay gamit kay dili sila maluwas ana


ayaw pag tan-aw sa politicians oi kay gamay ra kau diha sa ilaha na sincere, puro ra na sila pa cute2x or pakitang-tao. adto tan-aw sa mga common na mga tao ....


dili man ko basher, nindot nang naa sad opinion coming from a

This is not only politicians, its just an example don't narrow your mind to one group of people this applies to all. Although naay blessings for doing good works but its not sustainable without Christ eventually their self righteousness will be corrupted one way or another.

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."