Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[luci_morningstar]

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What's for sure is that doing something that is good is much better than any amount of prayer..

Honest question, aside from Judeo Christian Belief that i assume you don't believe, What is the basis or Guideline when you say GOOD?

whats the Criteria and where did you get the basis?

just want to know...

[luci_morningstar]

but then Paul said right after, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

by careful interpretation, what ephesians 2:8-9 means is that it is by grace of god alone that you are saved (not by any judgement of any man), and though faith may be a requirement, you are clearly instructed to walk in Christ's good works, for only god can judge us in the end..

so are you saved by faith alone? we cannot really say for sure, but you have better chances of cementing your place in heaven if you do something good,

Hold On,

You just posted this:

then englighten me..

the way i see it, people here are debating on a ridiculous presumption if whether or not it is necessary to do good inorder to be saved,..

You Just Quote a Bible Verse from a book that you don't Believe, And You try to Debate Someone about the requirements of Faith - That You yourself said is "Ridiculous".

I am dumbfounded with the utter nonsense i just read

[Jhared]

The topic is About If Good Work is a Requirement or Not. Its about if good works is The effect of Faith or if God would count Good works as a separate requirements.

Its Not about "whether or not it is necessary to do good" or Not. you use the Wrong word. Its not about the necessity to Do good works, good works is part of Faith, the only issue here is if its separate or one with faith.

It's like sitting in class and thinking, "unsa man knahanglan pba ko mobarog ug mo answer sa board, or mkapasar nba ko aning mag tando2 lang ko ni teacher?"

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Honest question, aside from Judeo Christian Belief that i assume you don't believe, What is the basis or Guideline when you say GOOD?

whats the Criteria and where did you get the basis?

just want to know...

really? nangutana ka nako kung unsay akong basihan when i say good?, how do you live with your life if you dont know that?

[luci_morningstar]

It's like sitting in class and thinking, "unsa man knahanglan pba ko mobarog ug mo answer sa board, or mkapasar nba ko aning mag tando2 lang ko ni teacher?"

No, its Like, Ang imung Kinahanglan para makapasar sa Subject mainly is ang Pag Pasar sa exam ug sa Oral exam or projects. Pero naay Chance nga I apil ang attendance or Dili.

Pero DILI na question if Mu eskwela baka or Dili kay If Di ka Mu skwela, di man ka maka Oral exam ug di sad ka kasabot sa Lesson. So ang Attendance ALWAYS na kay Dapat naa jud na, But ang Question is IAPIL ba sa Teacher PAG KWENTA ang attendance sa imung Grado para makapasar ka? or Dili?

Sama rana sa maayung buhat, pirming Part pirming naa.

[Jhared]

Hold On,

You just posted this:


You Just Quote a Bible Verse from a book that you don't Believe, And You try to Debate Someone about the requirements of Faith - That You yourself said is "Ridiculous".

I am dumbfounded with the utter nonsense i just read

i dont have to believe in spiderman to understand the comics, likewise here, i dont have to believe to understand what's written in your book, or disprove your interpretations.. it's not nonsense, you are just too timid to figure that out..

[Jhared]

No, its Like, Ang imung Kinahanglan para makapasar sa Subject mainly is ang Pag Pasar sa exam ug sa Oral exam or projects. Pero naay Chance nga I apil ang attendance or Dili.

Pero DILI na question if Mu eskwela baka or Dili kay If Di ka Mu skwela, di man ka maka Oral exam ug di sad ka kasabot sa Lesson. So ang Attendance ALWAYS na kay Dapat naa jud na, But ang Question is IAPIL ba sa Teacher PAG KWENTA ang attendance sa imung Grado para makapasar ka? or Dili?

Sama rana sa maayung buhat, pirming Part pirming naa.

you just expounded what i said.. but my real contention really is that why do we still ask these questions? is it to justify our laziness? or is it so that we can feel free to just sit our a**es down?

[luci_morningstar]

i dont have to believe in spiderman to understand the comics, likewise here, i dont have to believe to understand what's written in your book, or disprove your interpretations.. it's not nonsense, you are just too timid to figure that out..

Nobody Believes Spider man is a Real entity, All people that debated about spider man or his Moral ALL believes he's a Fictional Character, In the case of God its Different, Many believe God is A REAL entity, a living entity that inspires the writer of the Bible. That after We die we will Face the REAL God. We are debating about a real vs fictional characters.

I dont know how you can relate Spider man from comics to that of the argument between the believers of God and the unbelievers like you.

And you did not count what you have said about ridiculousness of Debating the requirements of Salvation and yet you yourself is also the one debating.

I think you're the one who is too timid to determine the BASIC difference of the argument.

[luci_morningstar]

you just expounded what i said.. but my real contention really is that why do we still ask these questions? is it to justify our laziness? or is it so that we can feel free to just sit our a**es down?

In case you did not think about it, for Theist it will AFFECT the way you View Salvation, it will Affect the way you Live. It will affect the way you approach LIFE. Your understanding of salvation will affect the consistency of the Christian Belief.

It will affect what theist will think if ever they will encounter a situation where they need or want to do good.

It will affect the FAITH.

So maybe for you the subject is Not important, but for theistic belief it is.

[luci_morningstar]

really? nangutana ka nako kung unsay akong basihan when i say good?, how do you live with your life if you dont know that?

I want to know for Unbelievers like you. The basis for Theist is the Judeo Christian Belief. I am asking a person who claim dont believe in what theist believed.

[Jhared]

Nobody Believes Spider man is a Real entity, All people that debated about spider man or his Moral ALL believes he's a Fictional Character, In the case of God its Different, Many believe God is A REAL entity, a living entity that inspires the writer of the Bible. That after We die we will Face the REAL God. We are debating about a real vs fictional characters.

I dont know how you can relate Spider man from comics to that of the argument between the believers of God and the unbelievers like you.

And you did not count what you have said about ridiculousness of Debating the requirements of Salvation and yet you yourself is also the one debating.

I think you're the one who is too timid to determine the BASIC difference of the argument.

like i said, i dont have to believe in the bible to understand it., in the same manner, i dont have to believe what you are saying to know what you mean therefore i can correct you whenever i want using your own basis, that's what drives debates in the first place.. why are you having a hard time understanding that?