Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[whiteKelso]

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I respect your Unbelief

But my question is, Why would you ask What God will do to you or to someone who Don't even Believe in Him? Whats the Purpose?

it seems the question is self defeating or a trick

im just curious..

well thanks for your input though.

[whiteKelso]

what do you bro that there are holy people without recognizing Jesus? by what standards?

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yes bro, kadaghan..

muslim, hindu, buddhist, taoist people, etc, etc,

and they are claiming holiness. and you believe they are going to hell? your kidding..

[rics zalved]

yes bro, kadaghan..

muslim, hindu, buddhist, taoist people, etc, etc,

and they are claiming holiness. and you believe they are going to hell? your kidding..

it is very sad bro that they are in that religion and dili jud na nila sala nga naingon ana ilang tinuohan because they were born in the other country where Christianity is alien to them

that is why Christians are in commission that they should preach throughout the whole world to know that Jesus is the only way. We can always pray to open their hearts and being open minded to question their faith that they have now. I dont have a place to judge them whether they go to heaven or to hell because it is up to God, but I know that Jesus is the only way to heaven, and our duty is to share them and let God will do the rest like opening their hearts

to those who died without knowing Jesus, it is so sad that maybe they are not saved and only God knows their future. It could also maybe they are questioning before their faith they have and seek the true God and in that way God impressed upon their hearts and accepted Jesus unknowingly, in this I dont know as well.

and also maybe if there are people in that religion trying to question their faith, God will always find a way that He could use a Christian missionary to him, there are many ways God can do.

There are many ways bro to discern if there is a God, one of it is nature, second is our conscience, well third will be the churches and Christian missionaries around, so there will be no excuse in discerning the true God.

[Jhared]

The issue we are talking here is - If Good Works is a REQUIREMENT or is an EFFECT of Faith. Nowhere you can Read in any of the Theist Saying YOU DONT HAVE TO DO Good works anymore(or do bad things). Good work is Part of Theist life, the only question is whether its a Requirement of salvation or an Expression of Faith. You kinda lost in translation there.

then englighten me..

the way i see it, people here are debating on a ridiculous presumption if whether or not it is necessary to do good inorder to be saved,..

[Jhared]

What's for sure is that doing something that is good is much better than any amount of prayer..

[Kenshiro]

then englighten me..

the way i see it, people here are debating on a ridiculous presumption if whether or not it is necessary to do good inorder to be saved,..

Sayon ra ang tubag ana.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works not to declare one self righteous or boast or even gain approval from God but works the one out of love and service to God and men.

[Kenshiro]

with our society today Morality although it does exist, has been degraded to lower and lower standard, where we can see stealing, dishonesty, are becoming the norm for how we relate to each other, this is the result of Godless morality, a superficial morality. We need to get our morality from God the true source and the one that flows out of love and service not out of Moral superficiality of humanism, which presumes humanity as perfect when without Christ this self righteousness is a sack of Rags susceptible to every temptation, corruption and dishonesty outwardly or in secret.

[Jhared]

Sayon ra ang tubag ana.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works not to declare one self righteous or boast or even gain approval by God but works the one out of love and service to God and men.

but then Paul said right after, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

by careful interpretation, what ephesians 2:8-9 means is that it is by grace of god alone that you are saved (not by any judgement of any man), and though faith may be a requirement, you are clearly instructed to walk in Christ's good works, for only god can judge you in the end..

so are you saved by faith alone? we cannot really say for sure, but you have better chances of cementing your place in heaven if you do something good,

[luci_morningstar]

no. i drop in this thread from time to time just to see how ridiculous you religious people are

the very essence of your religion is to be good to everyone and yet here you are debating on who is wrong or right

do you really need to argue about this issue ??


nindot tan-awun na lumba mo patas-anay sa inyong ihi

So when Discussing about the different teachings or translation Already means Not Doing GOOD to Everyone?
And also, people who talk about God Does not necessarily mean they are Religious.

Of course we discuss or debate because we have a belief that we based upon. We debate on the Translation because the teaching is open for one.

But a lot of People Who claim to be Unbelievers, Who Dont Believe, Who believe in the Non existence - But are trying hard to debate about the actions and Morality of a Non Existing God.

And we are the ones being ridiculous

[luci_morningstar]

then englighten me..

the way i see it, people here are debating on a ridiculous presumption if whether or not it is necessary to do good inorder to be saved,..

The topic is About If Good Work is a Requirement or Not. Its about if good works is The effect of Faith or if God would count Good works as a separate requirements.

Its Not about "whether or not it is necessary to do good" or Not. you use the Wrong word. Its not about the necessity to Do good works, good works is part of Faith, the only issue here is if its separate or one with faith.